Before Calling 911, Sheriff Tells Residents To Get ‘In The Game’ With A Gun

[diabeticman]

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/27/1500491/sheriff-gunspolice-911/


Cop is basically saying because of lay-offs we don't have the man power so it is your duty to protect you and yours.

HOWEVER he doesn't say in the article that even if you are following his suggestion IF you shot and kill someone innocence than he'll be more than happy to see you get a nice comfy small room to live in for life.

[loli phabay]

1. makes sense if you live off the beaten track when cops may be a long time coming.

[PeaceNikki]

4. he is sheriff in milwaukee county

We don't need more guns and vigilante justice.

[loli phabay]

5. no idea what the response time is there but its sound advice if its more than a minute or so.

[PeaceNikki]

6. David Clarke is a lying piece of teabagging shit

[Starry Messenger]

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[PeaceNikki]

81. lol. i repeat: David Clarke is a lying piece of teabagging shit

And that is a fact.

[Robb]

104. I believe this is an excellent example of when alerting on jury results is appropriate. (nt)

[Starry Messenger]

108. Because of the alerter, or the two jokers who voted to hide?

Or both? I'm amazed it wasn't 6-0.

[X_Digger]

14. Here's a link from 2011 -- 15 minutes!

http://www.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/127077973.html

Once dispatched, the time it took squads to arrive at the highest priority calls - such as shootings or armed robberies in progress - got slower by a minute and a half over that time, records show. It took police an average of almost 14 minutes to arrive at those calls last year.

[loli phabay]

17. now what could possibly happen in those 14 minutes if you needed help

Here it can be as long as thirty or forty minutes especially in the winter.

[wtmusic]

40. Sounds like you live in one of those crime-ridden rural areas

or paranoia-ridden, one of the two.

[loli phabay]

45. every area has crime. we get a lot of break ins due to meth heads also starting to see gang problem

And the violence that comes with it. So yes there are areas here that have a lot of crime.

[X_Digger]

51. Dang..

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/shots-ring-out-but-why-bother-calling-police-132115243.html

In one example found by the newspaper, Milwaukee police took more than 45 minutes to get to a fatal stabbing in Riverwest in July, even though it was considered a top priority call and the caller admitted that she stabbed her boyfriend.

In another case, police took more than two hours to arrive at the scene of a fatal car crash in June on the far northwest side.

[sylvi]

25. Defending oneself

is not "vigilante justice".

[PeaceNikki]

35. you say potato...

[sylvi]

41. More like

you making up definitions to as you go along to fit your agenda.

[PeaceNikki]

43. not really. google the term "vigilante". it fits.

But thanks for your concern with my grammatical integrity!

[sylvi]

52. Don't need to

But here it is for your benefit:

vig·i·lan·te/ˌvɪdʒəˈlænti/ Show Spelled [vij-uh-lan-tee]
noun
1. a member of a vigilance committee.
2. any person who takes the law into his or her own hands, as by avenging a crime.

Protecting oneself or others from imminent harm is not taking the law into your own hands, it's exercising the natural right of defense.

I know definitions and stuff are just "distractions" to some anti-2A people, but if one expects to be taken seriously in a discussion it helps to know that words mean things.

[PeaceNikki]

53. or... potato!!

One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands.

A vigilante is an individual or group who undertakes law enforcement without legal authority.

Fun!!

[sylvi]

58. Defending oneself is not "law enforcement" except in an incidental way

It is a natural right, and natural rights are not contingent upon law. Even they were, your own definition, "without legal authority" negates your argument, since people do have the legal authority to defend themselves.

[Eleanors38]

65. There's a spud in your future....

Gandhi said it was ones duty to defend oneself, family and property, without harming the thug if possible (ahimsa), or by violent means if you don't "follow" ahimsa. Two honorable choices. But there is a third choice: to do nothing. He termed this type of vulgar pacifism "cowardice."

I hope you don't take that third option.

[EarthWindFire]

68. lol

your wrong.

[PeaceNikki]

82. *you're

[EarthWindFire]

83. whatever you say

[PeaceNikki]

84. right wing assholes often get that wrong

I'm not implying anything, BUT...

[EarthWindFire]

91. What?

exactly did I do to be called a right wing asshole?

[PeaceNikki]

93. I didn't CALL you one. Read it again.

[HangOnKids]

114. HAHAHAHA you don't know the difference between your and you're

but you rolfl. Very sad.

[beevul]

85. In which jurisdition do people not have legal authority to defend themselves, and earn the label...

In which jurisdition do people not have legal authority to defend themselves, and earn the label "vigilante" in doing so?

[PeaceNikki]

87. you guys can obsess with my wording all day. have fun.

But Milwaukee County doesn't need more guns. There are no furloughs. The layoffs were over a year ago and this grandstanding douche is full of shit. On this and everything. Cops do not need to arrive on scene to more weapons being brandished and have to try to work out who is the good guy and who is not.

The end.

[beevul]

88. Word games? They're your words, and your stated definitions. I'm simply asking where they apply.

You said :

"One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands."

"A vigilante is an individual or group who undertakes law enforcement without legal authority."

I replied:

"In which jurisdition do people not have legal authority to defend themselves, and earn the label "vigilante" in doing so?"

Your words, your definitions.


Asking you where they apply is "word games"?

[PeaceNikki]

89. tomato!! oh, let's call the whole thing off!

[NutmegYankee]

90. So if a woman defends herself from a rapist

by gouging at his eyes or smashing his windpipe (both taught for self defense in classes), she's a vigilante? That is exactly what your saying isn't it?

FFS, self defense from harm is a natural human right.

[PeaceNikki]

92. Nope. I was thinking of people like George Zimmerman

And this asshole: http://www.jsonline.com/news/ozwash/homeowner-knew-police-partyers-were-nearby-before-firing-5s4n7e0-144120795.html

[NutmegYankee]

94. Neither of those men acted in self defense. They're murderers.

Sure, they tried to argue otherwise and lie. But neither was defending in the classic sense. Zimmerman was the attacker, not the defender.

Reading this sub thread, you seemed to imply (multiple times) that someone fighting their attacker was a vigilante. People defend themselves from direct attack with many weapons, of which guns is one. Store clerks, as a subset, have used guns, brooms, cans, hostess cakes (throwing them and distracting robber), and fists to defend against violent attackers. If someone breaks into a home and attacks a family, they are justified to use whatever is at hand to defend themselves.

And that is on people's minds here in CT - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire,_Connecticut,_home_invasion_murders

[PeaceNikki]

95. As I said, obsess with that all you want, k?

Milwaukee County doesn't need more guns. There are no furloughs. The layoffs were over a year ago and this grandstanding douche is full of shit. On this and everything. Cops do not need to arrive on scene to more weapons being brandished and have to try to work out who is the good guy and who is not. If you think that Clarke's call for people to 'get in the game' will not result in MORE cases like Trayvon and Bo, I think you're wrong.

If you support sheriffs in and around your county making these statements, whatever. This is my neighboring county and where people I love live and work. And David Clarke is a grandstanding, liberal-bashing asshole with extreme visions of grandeur. This is not the first idiotic thing to fall out of his stupid piehole. He has a long history of being a teabggaing fuckface.

The end.

[NutmegYankee]

96. I wasn't discussing the OP article.

I was addressing this subthread.

[PeaceNikki]

97. No, you are obsessed with 2 fucking words I typed.

[NutmegYankee]

98. One's words are often a topic of debate.

Especially on a text based message board.

[PeaceNikki]

99. Cool, bro. You over it?

Last word: you can have it.

[NutmegYankee]

100. *sigh*

May you learn in life that just saying "it was a poor choice of words" is far better and honorable than doubling down and getting nasty in response.

[wtmusic]

12. It made sense if you lived in Tombstone in the 1880s.

In theory we've progressed since then.

[loli phabay]

15. what so there are no rapists or burglars out there any more good to know

[wtmusic]

18. The answer is just to arm everyone to the teeth yes good to know

[loli phabay]

20. well id rather my wife was holding the twelve gauge as she sits on the bed with the kids with dispat

When she hears an intruder than hiding in a cupboard waiting for twenty minutes. You can choose to let your loved ones handle it any way you want.

[Robb]

23. What vivid fantasies. You're such heroes!

[wtmusic]

28. Good, I hope your kids don't get a hold of the 12-gauge.

There are all kinds of recipes for tragedy in that mix.

But I don't need a gun to feel safe, fortunately I live in an area where it's not necessary. It's a crime that anyone has to in the United States in 2013.

[loli phabay]

31. well my kids get to shoot most weeks so i would have no issue with them coming across the 12 gauge

As they are very good with their gun safety.

[wtmusic]

109. Ha ha! Yeah.

It's not really funny that every answer gun nuts have is more guns.

[EarthWindFire]

111. ok

first off I don't see an overabundance of people claiming that more people should be armed to the teeth, I do see that every time any 2A supporter tries to protect that freedom, then the anti 2A people start claiming that that person wants to go to the extreme by saying "arm everyone to the teeth" this shows that you can't actually rebut anything we are saying because all you can do is make outlandish remarks. But I know you delicate little flowers need to be able to say something so its all good.

[HangOnKids]

113. He Can't Reply

He is having more time to think about your post!

[sylvi]

19. Not when it comes to bad guys looking to do harm.

They're still out there, the Earp brothers' best efforts notwithstanding.

[jeff47]

26. Actually, it didn't - there were no guns allowed in Tombstone.

Just like a whole lot of other "wild west" towns.

[wtmusic]

34. Guns were allowed in Tombstone

Open carry was not.

[Major Nikon]

56. Guns weren't allowed in Tombstone, open or concealed

Ordinance No.9:

"To Provide against Carrying of Deadly Weapons" (effective April 19, 1881).



Section 1. It is hereby declared unlawful to carry in the hand or upon the person or otherwise any deadly weapon within the limits of said city of Tombstone, without first obtaining a permit in writing.



Section 2: This prohibition does not extend to persons immediately leaving or entering the city, who, with good faith, and within reasonable time are proceeding to deposit, or take from the place of deposit such deadly weapon.



Section 3: All fire-arms of every description, and bowie knives and dirks, are included within the prohibition of this ordinance.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/earp/ordinances.html

[wtmusic]

66. Again, guns were allowed in Tombstone.

You could have them in your home, you couldn't carry them around.

"and within reasonable time are proceeding to deposit, or take from the place of deposit such deadly weapon. "

[NickB79]

62. It took 45 min. for the police to respond to my mom's 911 call

For domestic violence.

Thankfully I had a gun.......

[PeaceNikki]

2. David Clarke is a lying piece of teabagging shit

[Skip Intro]

3. It is ALWAYS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY to protect yourself, family and property.

I doubt an attacker will compliantly pause while you call 911 and wait until they arrive.

We all have a right and a responsibility to protect ourselves, our families, and our property.

I agree with this sheriff.

[Hoyt]

8. Fortunately, that "responsibility" does not require a gun.

[Skip Intro]

11. That is a choice for each individual to make.

You know, us being free and all.

[Hoyt]

16. Not really, kind of like smoking nowadays.

[sylvi]

21. Thanks

If anyone breaks into my house, I'll be sure to remind them that it's socially unacceptable.

[Hoyt]

22. Then, sleep with one eye opened and a gun close by in unlikely event that occurs.

[loli phabay]

27. well the dog will wake me up and my glock is close by and the other guns accessible

[Hoyt]

30. Not impressed.

[loli phabay]

32. no you dont impress me but you are allowed your own opinion

[EarthWindFire]

70. is anyone

actually trying to impress you?

[Hoyt]

72. Something tells me his "glock and other accessible guns" impress/excites you.

[EarthWindFire]

74. that's because

you have an obvious stereotype against all gun owners... like I said in another post I guess you think stereotypes are good.

[Hoyt]

77. You've done nothing to indicate you are different from other members of gun culture.

[EarthWindFire]

80. so

you believe if a person is being stereotyped that it is the persons job to change the others mind? Interesting, well do you think that should apply to all stereotypes or just the stereotypes that you enjoy using?

[beevul]

86. You've done nothing to indicate you can accurately or objectively characterize the gun culture.

Writing screenplays definitely does not qualify you.

[Hoyt]

101. I've accurately characterized you with respect to guns on numerous occasions.

[beevul]

103. You mean all those times you remarked about me carrying a gun as if I did, even though I don't...

You mean all those times you remarked about me carrying a gun as if I did, even though I don't, and have reminded you 6 or 8 times now?


Yup, I have them all bookmarked.


If thats how you define "accurate", you should just give it up now, since it can be demonstrated quite easily, that you aren't.

[sylvi]

33. I prepare for lots of unlikely events

It's unlikely that a sinkhole will swallow my house, but it's covered under my homeowner's policy.

[Hoyt]

38. Do you carry a defibrillator? Much more likely to need it and better for society.

How about oxygen?

[sylvi]

44. No

but I know BLS. And the old, "If you're not doing everything, why are you doing anything?" argument doesn't work in adult company.

[Hoyt]

47. No, is exactly what I figured. Maybe you should reassess the risks you actually face rather

than simply trying to rationalize your need for guns.

[sylvi]

54. I've never come across anyone outside the hospital

in fibrillation, but I have been a victim and witnessed others be a victim of crime, including violent crime, several times. I think your risk assessment is off by a mile.

[Robb]

61. The plural of "anecdote" is not "data."

[sylvi]

64. Of course it is.

da·ta/ˈdeɪtə, ˈdætə, ˈdɑtə/ Show Spelled [dey-tuh, dat-uh, dah-tuh] Show IPA
noun
1. a plural of datum.
2. ( used with a plural verb ) individual facts, statistics, or items of information:

It might not be data you like or choose to draw an inference from, but it is still data.

[Robb]

76. "Come, Confirmation Bias Boy. Our work here is done."

"To the Philip Morris Tobacco Health Institute!!"

[wtmusic]

110. LOL

Defibs don't save people, people do

[Hoyt]

112. The answer is clearly "More Defibrillators." Toting them in public would give would be heroes a real

chance to save someone, including themselves.

[Skip Intro]

48. Evidently that's what you're supposed to do.

Maybe make the attacker a sandwich or something.

And if you don't agree with this approach, someone will be along soon to call you an NRA apologist or the like.

Thankfully, no one needs the permission, or blessing, of any of these people who want to tell us what we may and may not do to protect ourselves.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

37. Just like your avatar?

[Hoyt]

39. 1950s. Nowadays we don't smoke, realizing damage to society.

[AndyTiedye]

116. Maybe It's Time to Change Your Avatar Then

[Hoyt]

117. No, that's about the same period.

[Skip Intro]

50. Yes, really. nt

[ProgressiveProfessor]

36. Are you going to bring up your "can of beans" approach to home defense again?

[Hoyt]

42. It's worked for me. Maybe some day you'll try acting responsibly and leave your guns at home.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

46. When I quit riding through the desert daily I might consider it

Until then, I will do the practical thing and carry.

[Hoyt]

49. I'm betting you have a gun or two close by, even when out of the desert.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

55. You would lose.

If I carried one when I left the house, I keep it in my possession or secure it where I am (if possible). I don't bring one when I travel by air. Most of the times I don't carry when I go by car.

[EarthWindFire]

71. thats because

you stereotype all gun owners into one group. We all know how great stereotypes are...right?

[Hoyt]

75. The poor pitiful plight of gun cultists is a national shame.

[EarthWindFire]

79. that doesn't

change the fact that you use stereotypes...do you believe stereotypes are good?

[Robb]

7. "Unknown Sheriff gets to be on CNN for attention whoring for gun fetishists."

Apparently his earlier press shot, "Sheriff Clarke attributes increase in burglaries/robberies in north side neighborhoods to failed soft-on-crime social engineering experiments by the Milwaukee County Criminal Justice System" didn't work out.

The sheriff is something of an asshole, it would appear.

[PeaceNikki]

9. he's the one who refused security for Obama last fall

He rails against liberals with great passion and regularity. He suffers from delusions of grandeur.

A piece of teabagging shit.

[Robb]

10. Sheriff Clarke's greatest hits keep coming:

Sheriff Clarke's statement on a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel editorial:

"Shame on the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel for referring to the children who were murdered at Sandy Hook Elementary School as martyrs!"

http://www.facebook.com/MilwaukeeCountySheriff

[PeaceNikki]

13. honey, you'll be.on here all night if you keep looking

He's misappropriated funds, claimed he didn't need any approval on a budget, attacks liberals and the mayor for.fun, refused security for POTUS, etc, ad nauseum.

[Hoyt]

29. Sounds like the typical gun lover.

[pipoman]

24. Does he employ cannabis cops?

If so, maybe a dramatic reduction in that department and addition of some first responders..Maybe don't fund the imprisonment of non-violent victimless criminals and use that money for first responders...priorities are often the answer to these issues..that said, a 14 minute average response time for the highest priority calls is unacceptable..

[LeftInTX]

57. Good grief that is really low

Milwaukee is a major city that is densely populated for Pete's Sake. I'm in a with higher crime area that isn't as densely populated as Milwaukee and no one tells us to buy guns. Sounds like a teabag A-hole!

[AndyTiedye]

59. Stray Bullets

We're all supposed to have and use guns to defend ourselves. Yikes.
And 30 or 100 shot mags because, well, we miss a lot. Double yikes.
Where do all those bullets go?

[EarthWindFire]

73. who

on this forum said that they need 30 to 100 shot mags in case they miss? Or are you just be stereotypical and stating lies in order to get a point across?

[Adam-Bomb]

60. The Sheriff DOES have a point, though.

LEO's can't teleport to my house in the best of times, so I keep
HD weapons handy to protect my family until they show up.

Same reason I keep a fire extinguisher in the house, too.

Is it likely I'll need either? No, but I'm NOT taking chances;
all it takes is ONE time to REALLY need them.

It's just common sense, especially in these trying times.

[uppityperson]

67. What "trying times" do you mean ..."especially in these trying times"?

[krispos42]

63. Grab gun, grab family, barricade yourselves in a bedroom, call 911.

In that order.


If an intruder tries to stop you from getting your family together, or from getting into your bedroom, shoot.

If an intruder tries to break into your barricaded room, shoot.

Else if, stay in the barricaded room with gun ready and 911 on the phone.

[SWTORFanatic]

102. But they have the man power to write speeding tickets

Especially putting a cop write after the speed limit changes from 65 mph to 55 mph with a radar or laser gun.


Milwaukee LOVES to do this.

[NutmegYankee]

105. That's because it brings in income. nt

[SWTORFanatic]

106. Clearly more important than actual public safety.

[NutmegYankee]

107. The only thing worse is civil forfeiture.

Google that and you lose all hope in our "war on drugs".

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

115. David Clarke is a Tea-bagging Clown..

Clarke is in a semi-permanent feud with the Milwaukee County Board, and he's taken to making increasingly outrageous statement to the media (he's also something of a media whore).

Clarke is pissed because he had to cut 42 officers. He says people are less safe because of that. Here's why David Clarke is full of shit (OK, it's really one of several reasons):

There were 106,936 violent and property crimes committed in Milwaukee County last year. Of those, all but 57 of them were handled by municipal police departments. The MKE County Sherrif responded to 0.20% of all crimes in the county. The Sherrif's Department core function are staffing the County Jail, managing the bailiff system in the County Courts, and pulling over speeders on the freeway system. That's it. Tell me how more guns are going to make a difference.

What a douche...