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mfcorey1

(10,997 posts)
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:10 PM Jan 2013

If it is not stopped, the Republican war on democracy will tear this nation apart

Republicans can't win national elections anymore, having lost the popular vote in five of the last six, and with demographics shifts moving solidly against them, rather than try to better represent the will of the American electorate, they're instead going to try to break the system so that the will of the American electorate no longer matters. And it would be perfectly legal, because we choose our presidents through the Electoral College, and there are very few rules about how the electors are allocated. Make no mistake: This is a war on the very concept of democracy and republic. This is a war on the very nature of our system of governance. If it succeeds, it will tear this country apart.
Last week, while much of the country was focused on President Obama's second inauguration, or was distracted by a three-day weekend, a quiet coup by Virginia state Senate Republicans disappeared a Democratic state Senate seat. Virginia's upper house is evenly split, but with Sen. Henry L. Marsh III in Washington for the presidential inauguration, the Republicans used his absence and a party line vote to approve a new redistricting plan that eliminates a Democratic Senate seat, thus giving themselves a likely more permanent majority, beginning in 2015. But that was only the beginning of what they want to do. Virginia's Republicans have an even more cynical plan for 2016:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/27/1182006/-If-it-is-not-stopped-the-Republican-war-on-democracy-will-tear-this-nation-apart

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If it is not stopped, the Republican war on democracy will tear this nation apart (Original Post) mfcorey1 Jan 2013 OP
The GOP is IMO now an American terrorist organization. They are doing their best to RKP5637 Jan 2013 #1
+1 valerief Jan 2013 #2
+100 ybbor Jan 2013 #5
+1, lol...I can relate uponit7771 Jan 2013 #17
The GOP is IMO now an American terrorist organization. Flashmann Jan 2013 #27
Sad, but quite true. And what is even sadder are those voters that enable them, that just can't RKP5637 Jan 2013 #29
I lay the blame for that,squarley on Flashmann Jan 2013 #30
Same here. I'm a little older, but it was similar where I went to school. RKP5637 Jan 2013 #33
! City Lights Jan 2013 #43
I agree SylviaD Jan 2013 #49
It's a very treacherous road the republicans are trying to create. Many will go off the cliff. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #53
There is no room... SylviaD Jan 2013 #56
+++ 1,000,000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #59
If what you say is true (and I believe it is)... SylviaD Jan 2013 #58
This is the part that irks me, apparently, in the republican brain, freedom of speech means RKP5637 Jan 2013 #60
Agreed 100%!!!! But what can be done? I fear not much. I am struggling with this. nt SylviaD Jan 2013 #61
Same here ... I see it, I hear it ... but I don't know either. It needs some great awakening of the RKP5637 Jan 2013 #63
k&r... spanone Jan 2013 #3
It's this crap that'll sparks the next civil war. PFunk Jan 2013 #4
+1 ybbor Jan 2013 #6
2014, yeah, if we can get there. 2naSalit Jan 2013 #22
Exactly, and especially about the time democracies last. Generally those at the top of the RKP5637 Jan 2013 #24
Snyder and his rethug cohearts tiredtoo Jan 2013 #7
Republicans do NOT believe in democracy. Stonepounder Jan 2013 #8
Well said! The republicans are trying to and will destroy this democracy. Too many Americans are RKP5637 Jan 2013 #9
+1000! tex-wyo-dem Jan 2013 #21
If they do not believe in democracy, perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to participate in it. nt SylviaD Jan 2013 #57
If this Lobo27 Jan 2013 #10
There could have been the biggest shit storm in history, and the Republicans would have had no Stonepounder Jan 2013 #13
The republicans would take us fully into a police state while claiming they are protecting, "we the RKP5637 Jan 2013 #25
1. Marsh was stupid to leave town, an example of how 2. Democrats STILL don't grasp the VENALITY WinkyDink Jan 2013 #11
-- but he left during a national holiday. jerseyjack Jan 2013 #20
i don't think it's possible to anticipate barbtries Jan 2013 #37
I think it is. Just assume that any conniving and soulless backstabbing that is possible Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #41
maybe barbtries Jan 2013 #54
Maybe? You're agreeing with me. Why say maybe? Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2013 #64
what i said was barbtries Jan 2013 #65
I know what you mean. Most of us just aren't depraved enough to think of every thing a Republican Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2013 #66
If our party does not come back at this full force, grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author earcandle Jan 2013 #14
The question is this: Left Coast2020 Jan 2013 #15
shame the conservative electorate into not voting for them any longer uponit7771 Jan 2013 #19
The USA is a Democratic Republic, but B Calm Jan 2013 #16
A more or less democratic Republic, really pretty much LESS ever since the latter 2/3 of the 19th patrice Jan 2013 #52
Many rethugs don't like what they're doing either.. uponit7771 Jan 2013 #18
If that's true... 2naSalit Jan 2013 #23
This is a section of a NY Post Editorial 4Q2u2 Jan 2013 #28
And that would be the 2naSalit Jan 2013 #38
then they should switch parties. barbtries Jan 2013 #36
Rather than change their misguided and unpopular policies CanonRay Jan 2013 #26
this will probably lead to complete paralysis and chaos Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #32
The chaos is still on its way CanonRay Jan 2013 #39
Agreed. And that is exactly what they want, too. Myrina Jan 2013 #31
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2013 #34
i'm close to believing barbtries Jan 2013 #35
If we want to have any chance of stopping it FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #40
You people keep John2 Jan 2013 #42
Show me anywhere in the Constitution that prevents states from doing it. jeff47 Jan 2013 #45
But...but...we're doomed. randome Jan 2013 #47
We are NOT a democracy davidn3600 Jan 2013 #50
"You people"? Your crown's a bit crooked, Your Majesty... VOX Jan 2013 #55
Just how many?? jdg18rabbit Jan 2013 #44
Can Confessions be Coerced? dimitri43 Jan 2013 #46
We should ask why "Blue States" end up with ultra-red sate legislatures ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #48
Even those of us who are TRYING to be constructive & don't see guns as a solution are getting REAL patrice Jan 2013 #51
We're already seeing America being torn apart on a daily basis. Ganja Ninja Jan 2013 #62

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
1. The GOP is IMO now an American terrorist organization. They are doing their best to
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 10:22 PM
Jan 2013

disrupt and destroy this country. And I'm not spewing nonsense, they really are an American terrorist organization IMO ... all one need do is look at their actions. The old GOP one could work with and come up with ideas/solutions, the current one is a party of loonies and control freaks for the most part with a focus of taking down the US.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
27. The GOP is IMO now an American terrorist organization.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:27 AM
Jan 2013

I have to agree.....I've said for years that the gop is an ongoing criminal enterprise..That ANY other group doing,in concert,the damage the wrongwingers have done,would have long ago faced RICO Statute charges.....That they've evolved into terrorism is,to me, merely the next logical step in their progression...

As a side note,I want to add that my "criminal enterprise" charge is not just something I concocted from thin air...Just a few years ago,at a party thrown by a friend/coworker,I had a long conversation with friends brother,who is a Defense Attorney,and who at that time had already argued a death penalty case before the Supreme Court..The discussion was political in nature and turned toward perceived misdoings by goops,elected and appointed..

Lawyer/brother is who I first heard say that the gop is,in his considered opinion,an ongoing criminal enterprise..He also maintained that nothing would ever be done about it,since that would require,not only one Party to indict themselves,but need the help of the other party to do it,which would refuse,due to their own complicity......

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
29. Sad, but quite true. And what is even sadder are those voters that enable them, that just can't
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:45 PM
Jan 2013

seem to grasp what is going on...

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
30. I lay the blame for that,squarley on
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:44 PM
Jan 2013

Cuts in education,made over the past 30+ years...For instance,Civics class...

When I graduated high school,in 1971,you must have taken and passed Civics,or no diploma...No way around it....When my brother went to the same school,5 years later,Civic was by then an "elective",rather than the required course it was for me...

20+ years later,as my kids were getting into high school,the same one I had attended,there was no Civics class available,period....

Over the years there have been any number of classes discontinued that taught or exercised critical thought,to the point where I'm not sure now ANY do....One minor case in point,being my oldest grandson,who while now in Middle school,has yet to be assigned reading a book,to which a report is to be written.....It's alien and cruel,to his mind, that a teacher would tell him WHAT to read,at home,and then demand a written report...I recall that process as being the norm,from the 3rd grade on.....

SylviaD

(721 posts)
49. I agree
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 08:00 PM
Jan 2013

and following logically from that, is it time to ask ourselves if we want, need, or can afford an entity like the Republican party (as it is now construed) in American politics and life????

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
53. It's a very treacherous road the republicans are trying to create. Many will go off the cliff. n/t
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:49 PM
Jan 2013

SylviaD

(721 posts)
56. There is no room...
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:42 PM
Jan 2013

There is no room for an anti-science party.

There is no room for blind, unreasoning religious adherents.

There is no room for a party of procedural and wholly political obstructionism.

There is no room for a party that denies climate change.

There is no room for a party that promotes assault-weapon ownership.

There is no room for an anti-feminist and anti-woman party.

There is no room for a pro-war party.

There is no room for the Republican party in a modern America. Maybe it is time to really consider these things and decide what kind of political discourse we want in this country. Today's Republican party is a stain on our national character.

I am just so angry.

SylviaD

(721 posts)
58. If what you say is true (and I believe it is)...
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:48 PM
Jan 2013

...should we allow the Republican party to take part in our democracy???

At some point doesn't it become self-preservation for the rest of us?

Freedom of speech is one thing, but freedom to bring this nation down around the rest of us??

What is wrong with them, anyway? I don't fathom the thought processes at work....in the Republican brain.

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
60. This is the part that irks me, apparently, in the republican brain, freedom of speech means
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:04 PM
Jan 2013

freedom to bring this nation down around the rest of us. And, I also question how far those with huge megaphones should be allowed to persist, the Beck's, the Limbaugh's, the pack of them that seeming want to instill hatred, distrust and IMO a disruption of the country.

Studies have now demonstrated those with these unshakable primitive beliefs ... religions, political and the like have a portion of the brain that has not developed like the majority ... they are fearful, can't accept change, adhere to fundy type religious beliefs, teabagger orientation and the like.

And the republicans have gathered the crackpots, the loonies, the fringe, the religious fevor all under one tent, the "new" republican party. They are hazardous to the well being and future of this country.


RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
63. Same here ... I see it, I hear it ... but I don't know either. It needs some great awakening of the
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:30 PM
Jan 2013

American populace, but there are so many detractors.

PFunk

(876 posts)
4. It's this crap that'll sparks the next civil war.
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:25 PM
Jan 2013

This 'divide and conquer" BS by the repugs has gone on long enough and must be stopped now or it's game over time. All which makes 2014 a very crucial election year.

2naSalit

(86,040 posts)
22. 2014, yeah, if we can get there.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:21 AM
Jan 2013

I am absolutely certain that the intent is to cause a civil war and then impose martial law and there goes anything that might resemble a democracy. The greedy corporate pigs are the ones driving this bus, make no mistake about it. They've already assembled their private army that we paid for with our tax dollars. This is what Eisenhower warned us about and that's also why we have so many distraction gadgets that actually keep track of us... distracting the masses so they won't know what hit them.

And remember, historically, democracies tend to last about 200 years, give or take a few. We need to make sure that we the people don't fall into the trap. Not sure how to go about it but something has to change in a big way if we want to see this country remain as a country.

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
24. Exactly, and especially about the time democracies last. Generally those at the top of the
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 08:52 AM
Jan 2013

heap angle and leverage hogging more and more 'till the entire democracy collapses into a dystopia for most ... and that's the road we're currently on as the republicans continue to drag us along that path. What is always amazing is those with little fall for the propaganda and rhetoric enabling them to destroy the democracy while feeling they are patriots.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
8. Republicans do NOT believe in democracy.
Sun Jan 27, 2013, 11:49 PM
Jan 2013

This is the point you have to believe. The movers and shakers in the Republican Party do not believe that there should be universal suffrage and that the 'masses' don't really know what is best for them and for their masses. To them, then only people who should be able to vote are the 1% and that is what they are really aiming for. If you don't understand this, then you don't understand what the Republicans are trying to accomplish.

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
9. Well said! The republicans are trying to and will destroy this democracy. Too many Americans are
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:09 AM
Jan 2013

very naive, they think others are taking care of things for them.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
21. +1000!
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:58 AM
Jan 2013

What the repugs want to accomplish is what the 1% want to accomplish, and that's control of the economics. Elimination of regulations that do everything from protect worker safety to protecting the environment to access to affordable HC insurance and on and on...these all affect the uber-wealthy's ability to further pad the bottom line. In the process they will turn this country (and the rest of the world for that matter) into what resembles a 15th century serfdom.

That is all they care about.

Lobo27

(753 posts)
10. If this
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jan 2013

had been in place during the past election. Obama would have lost, and would have won by 5million votes..... It would have been the biggest shit storm to ever hit the country. Romney would have had no mandate to lead the country.......

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
13. There could have been the biggest shit storm in history, and the Republicans would have had no
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:31 AM
Jan 2013

mandate, and they wouldn't have cared in the least. Look at how George Bush governed after the Supreme Court gave him the election over Gore. Bush lost the popular vote and beat Gore by a whisker, but he had Republican Senate and House and ran the country like he had won in a landslide. The Republicans wouldn't care that the people were upset, since the don't believe that the masses know what is good for them. So if the masses are upset, they are like petulant children. Look at Scott Walker in WI. Huge shit storm, and he goes right on running the state like his own fiefdom.

RKP5637

(67,030 posts)
25. The republicans would take us fully into a police state while claiming they are protecting, "we the
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 08:55 AM
Jan 2013

people." And the fake patriots would cheer them on.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
11. 1. Marsh was stupid to leave town, an example of how 2. Democrats STILL don't grasp the VENALITY
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jan 2013

OF REPUBLICANS.

WHEN. THE. HELL. WILL. WE. LEARN?

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
37. i don't think it's possible to anticipate
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 02:20 PM
Jan 2013

every fucked up back stabbing unexpected thing they'll do. you'd have to be as conniving and soulless as they are for starters.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
41. I think it is. Just assume that any conniving and soulless backstabbing that is possible
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:33 PM
Jan 2013

will be attempted by them.

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
54. maybe
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 10:48 PM
Jan 2013

to tell the truth they often surprise with how low they will go. i say i don't put anything past them but they come up with shit i just never even dreamed of.

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
65. what i said was
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:17 AM
Jan 2013

maybe thinking of the worst possible thing they might do would be useful, or not. because in my experience i cannot imagine how low they will go. i cannot prepare for something i can't even imagine happening. this i assume is what the democrat in VA was up against.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
66. I know what you mean. Most of us just aren't depraved enough to think of every thing a Republican
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 08:49 PM
Feb 2013

might attempt. You pretty much said that in the first comment I replied to. And I wasn't really arguing against your point. Really, I was attempting a bit of dark humor--"Just think of the worst thing possible and expect them to do it."

But, again, your point is valid in general, though, in the case at hand, I don't think it was that far-fetched a thing to suspect the bastards might do. Dems need to put on their evil caps (or hire someone--Stephen King is a good guy who can think up bad things) and learn to think like an Rethug, or they will continue to be shocked and stunned.

Response to mfcorey1 (Original post)

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
15. The question is this:
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:46 AM
Jan 2013

Now that we know about it, what are we going to do about it? In other words, what will be our counter action?

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
16. The USA is a Democratic Republic, but
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:51 AM
Jan 2013

the cons love telling us it's a republic. Looks as though they are doing their best to tear up the constitution and turn it into a republic.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
52. A more or less democratic Republic, really pretty much LESS ever since the latter 2/3 of the 19th
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 08:11 PM
Jan 2013

century.

2naSalit

(86,040 posts)
23. If that's true...
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:28 AM
Jan 2013

I challenge every single one of them to get off their asses and do something about the monster they created. And they'd better wake up and smell their asses on fire... like yesterday.

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
28. This is a section of a NY Post Editorial
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 12:03 PM
Jan 2013

"But just because the states are allowed to change their allocation doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.

Among the virtues of the Electoral College is that it encourages presidential candidates to wage a national campaign instead of focusing only on large states.

It also makes it harder for candidates to ignore groups that tend to favor one party if these groups remain crucial to victory in major states.

Most important, the Electoral College is the best means of preserving a strong two-party system, which is the foundation of America’s political stability.

Abolish the Electoral College — or rig it into irrelevance — and the unintended consequence will be to splinter the major parties into all manner of independent movements and an endless series of runoff elections (or worse).

For 225 years, the Electoral College has served America well.

We’d be better served by a GOP that concentrated on winning elections than on trying to rig them."

2naSalit

(86,040 posts)
38. And that would be the
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jan 2013

"no brainer" point, unfortunately, that's not what's happening and it doesn't look like the Rs have enough of a moral compass to do anything other than lie and cheat to get their way (or that of their monied patrons). And this is primarily because the monied few have seduced the politicians into doing their bidding in order to literally own the country including everything and everyone in it. Unless we the people put a stop to it, they'll get what they are trying to buy and soon.

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
36. then they should switch parties.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 02:18 PM
Jan 2013

the republicans should be going the way of the whigs and the tories. it's a travesty how much power they still have with over half the people in constant opposition.

CanonRay

(14,036 posts)
26. Rather than change their misguided and unpopular policies
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 09:13 AM
Jan 2013

the GOP would destroy the nation. It is very similar thinking to what occured in the South prior to the Civil War. Rather than lead to actual conflice, this will probably lead to complete paralysis and chaos.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
31. Agreed. And that is exactly what they want, too.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jan 2013

A sub-country of knuckle-dragging, drooly followers happy to salute, kiss their guns, thump their Bibles & work 60 hours/wk for $7/hr until they're 80.

barbtries

(28,702 posts)
35. i'm close to believing
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jan 2013

that nothing will stop them. and i work all the time now i'm going to school too, i am tired.
can't give up.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
40. If we want to have any chance of stopping it
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jan 2013

Then we need to stop supporting "Democrats" who want to compromise with those monsters.

(Of course, some compromise will be inevitable, but those who WANT to deal with the devil -- I mean GOP, same thing -- will never be on our side)

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
42. You people keep
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 05:43 PM
Jan 2013

saying rigging the Electoral vote is legal because the pundits and politicians say so. They say it is legal because two rural states with very little populations have this system. Nobody paid any attention to those systems or challenge it because they never threatened an Election on the national level.

Show me the court ruling these pundits and politicians say this is legal versus the court ruling in 1962 saying this was illegal on the local level in the state of Alabama by the U.S. Supreme Court? That court ruling filed against the state of Alabama for diluting the voting power of the city of Birmingham. That is how we got one man, one vote. There are several other cases and one was in California involving the cities of San Francisco, San Diego and Los Angeles where the complainant tried to dilute the votes of those cities. He loss the case and pointed to the national election with the President and Senate.

The pundits and politicians take the Constitution and interpret it to fit want accommodates them at a certain point in time. There is no time in the history of this country a President did not win the State that he won the popular vote in this country. People site one of two cases on the overall vote on the national level but not involving individual states.

If you can select a President with you theory on districts, then why not electing both Senators and the Governor that way too? They can lose the popular votes of the citizens on the local level too and win the most districts. You can do the mayoral contests the same way by winning the most precincts. If that was the founders intent, then they would have done so. It has never came up as a problem in this country's history until we got a right wing extremist group and certain Democrats who also want individual power instead of serving the people.

The power belongs to the people and no one should accept otherwise because they work for us. We tell them what we agree to and if they don't, we have the right to forcibly, tar and feather them and run them out of office. The power of the Constitution comes from the people that agree to it. It does not come from any individual or small group of people. So tinkering with our rights to decide whom leads this country should not be tampered with ever. It does give us the right to have a Civil War if necessary. Two can play their dangerous games. See our past Civil War. The Supreme Court made interpretations then they people willfully turned a blind eye too. Their check on power grabbing is ultimately with the people that gave them the right to hold office over us.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
45. Show me anywhere in the Constitution that prevents states from doing it.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:51 PM
Jan 2013
That court ruling filed against the state of Alabama for diluting the voting power of the city of Birmingham. That is how we got one man, one vote.

The modern techniques still give one man one vote. What they do is slice Democratic strongholds into several districts, while keeping Republican strongholds within a single district.

There is no time in the history of this country a President did not win the State that he won the popular vote in this country.

Forgot about 2000, huh?

If you can select a President with you theory on districts, then why not electing both Senators and the Governor that way too?

States are free to select their governors any way they'd like. The 17th amendment specifies that senators are elected via popular vote.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
47. But...but...we're doomed.
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jan 2013

I agree, this is more hair-on-fire kind of an uproar. The courts stopped the GOP from voter suppression last year and I bet the federal courts will disallow this new idea.

Hell, even the 'best' of the GOP (I know, I know) are repudiating this plan.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
50. We are NOT a democracy
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 08:03 PM
Jan 2013

The USA is not a democracy. It never was. We are fractured constitutional republic. One big reason we have the electoral college is for there to be a buffer between the president and the people. We do not elect the president, the states do.

That's by design of the Constitution. There is nothing unconstitutional about a state changing the way it's electoral votes are allocated. The people have no right in the federal constitution to vote for President of the United States. That right is given specifically to the state legislatures in Article II, Section I.

If you don't like this...not really much you can do. Our constitution is considered the highest law of the land. It would need to be changed in order to change how the president is elected. And there are more than 15 small and/or rural states that are never going to agree to change it because they know the big, urban states will trample them in every election. So we are stuck with it.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
55. "You people"? Your crown's a bit crooked, Your Majesty...
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 12:16 AM
Jan 2013

Condescension won't get you too far here.

jdg18rabbit

(2 posts)
44. Just how many??
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:11 PM
Jan 2013

How many outrageous thefts of elections, jerrymanderings and other egregious violations of democratic process will it take before we start storming the barricades? The idiot conservatards are simply a cover, social static to divert attention from the methodical destruction of the American republic. It was a great idea, and it lasted almost 200 years, but it's gone, and the sooner people realize that, the better.

dimitri43

(2 posts)
46. Can Confessions be Coerced?
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 06:53 PM
Jan 2013
Can confessions be coerced? Now, some in Washington are ruminating on this once more. All of this started when attorney John Yoo showed George W. Bush how to do it. Thus, at first, here are the lyrics to the song by Harry Connick, Jr., "It Had to be You."

It had to be you, it had to be you
I wandered around, and finally found
The somebody who

Could make be true, could make me feel blue
Or even be glad, just to be sad
Thinking of you.

Some others I've seen, might never be mean
Might never be cross, or try to be boss
But they wouldn't do.

For nobody else gave me the thrill
With all your faults, I love you still
It had to be you, wonderful you
It had to be you.


Now, here are the revised lyrics, after Bush met up with Yoo:


It had to be Yoo, it had to be Yoo
Bush wandered around, and finally found
A patron of Hu.

Could throw briefs around, run truth to the ground
But Bush still felt sad, sometimes got mad
Reflecting on Hu.

Some others Bush saw, could scramble the law
Could fill up the vat, crank up the rack
But they wouldn't do.

For nobody else gave Bush the hots
With all his faults, Bush liked him a lot
It had to be Yoo
Attorney Yoo
It had to be Yoo.


ThoughtCriminal

(14,009 posts)
48. We should ask why "Blue States" end up with ultra-red sate legislatures
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 08:00 PM
Jan 2013

The extremism at that level is dangerous and more powerful than most give credit.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
51. Even those of us who are TRYING to be constructive & don't see guns as a solution are getting REAL
Mon Jan 28, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jan 2013

tired of the CRAP!

Ganja Ninja

(15,953 posts)
62. We're already seeing America being torn apart on a daily basis.
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:06 PM
Jan 2013

One gun nut at a time the insane right wing loons are coming out of the woodwork driven by their hate radio induced delusions. This could go on for a decade or more.

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