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srican69

(1,426 posts)
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 02:09 PM Jan 2013

"The best defense against tyranny is an informed and engaged citizenry. Not millions of petty armed

tyrants"

-From the OCCUPY NRA Facebook page


I wish somebody could stuff this nugget of wisdom inside the pea sized brains of those eternally styoopid 2nd Amendment Apologists.

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"The best defense against tyranny is an informed and engaged citizenry. Not millions of petty armed (Original Post) srican69 Jan 2013 OP
Man, that nails it. That is exactly what an a-hole with a gun is: a tyrant. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #1
Hard to argue against this logic regjoe Jan 2013 #2
I'm sure if those thousands of petty campers all had AR-15s, you'd just love them. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #12
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #15
Please explain "those types" Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #16
Why, the type who prefer to protest regjoe Jan 2013 #17
Oh, obviously. Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #18
Obviously regjoe Jan 2013 #21
Further erosion of the right, or further erosion of the Right? Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #23
What erosion? bongbong Jan 2013 #30
Banned at KOS/DU is that U? Rex Jan 2013 #57
those types? smiley Jan 2013 #19
Isn't it Obvious? Tommy_Carcetti Jan 2013 #20
So you are for some form of gun control it looks like. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #34
The occupy movement is trying to get economic justice for the people of this nation. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #33
Define success union_maid Jan 2013 #38
Ahhh...trolls...they never can get history correct. Rex Jan 2013 #56
no... dtom67 Jan 2013 #3
But if the mob is coming for you or your food, you wont be able to stop them all. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #7
What mob? Are you planning to be Left Behind from the Rapture? Hekate Jan 2013 #8
My point simply was, his guns wont save him from WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #14
Perhaps I misunderstood your intent Hekate Jan 2013 #22
Masses do not act on reason Romulus Quirinus Jan 2013 #9
+++1 patrice Jan 2013 #55
It is not rational to assume that since something has not happened it cannot/will not happen, especi patrice Jan 2013 #54
& it is rational to hypothesize that "less and less probable" I mentioned in my previous post *IS* patrice Jan 2013 #59
K&R. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #4
Perfectly Stated cer7711 Jan 2013 #5
Yeah. If you listen to these idiots you'd think SheilaT Jan 2013 #6
I will agree with you on your last points, WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #10
And no revolution has ever been successful without a huge influx of guns Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #28
But the influx of guns in the recent revolutions I'm thinking about SheilaT Jan 2013 #29
I must have misread your post yesterday... It was late.. I thought you were saying the opposite of Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #37
No problem. It's amazing how often I will SheilaT Jan 2013 #61
LOL bongbong Jan 2013 #31
Edited Democracyinkind Jan 2013 #36
+ a million Blue_Tires Jan 2013 #11
Bunch of Ramno wannabees that think life is a movie libtodeath Jan 2013 #13
Al Capone legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #24
That is terrific advice for a one on one situation ....not so terrific when you consider the srican69 Jan 2013 #25
True enough legaleagle_45 Jan 2013 #27
Threat of force???? bongbong Jan 2013 #32
Do you really think that snort Jan 2013 #40
I'm reminded of a study where Fox News viewers are less informed Incitatus Jan 2013 #26
Until that tyranny decides to start murdering an informed and engaged citizenry. Throd Jan 2013 #35
Then you are fucked irrespective of whether you own guns or not. srican69 Jan 2013 #39
Better to die on my feet than live on my knees derby378 Jan 2013 #41
I just don't understand paranoia that USA is going to turn from a mature democracy into a srican69 Jan 2013 #44
Well, there WAS George W. Bush... derby378 Jan 2013 #46
As disastrous his presidency was, on every conceivable level, save humanitarian efforts in Africa... srican69 Jan 2013 #50
K&R stonecutter357 Jan 2013 #42
What do you mean? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #49
TROLL stonecutter357 Jan 2013 #52
I guess you have no intelligent answer, do you? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #62
re:"The best defense against tyranny is an informed and engaged citizenry. Not millions of petty arm allan01 Jan 2013 #43
"challenged in court?" It had been. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #47
TROLL stonecutter357 Jan 2013 #63
Nothing intelligent from you? Again? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #64
Smart stonecutter357 Jan 2013 #65
After repeating the same word twice, I flushed you out... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #66
- is public education, hence privatization on the lessons. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #45
Is this now a main ideology for Occupy, or is this a breakaway or affinity group? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #48
no there is no 'main ideology' from occupy .. there are no official positions .. this was a just srican69 Jan 2013 #51
KICK!!! patrice Jan 2013 #53
Informed and engaged yes rustydog Jan 2013 #58
Yes, the second group blocks the first group from acting most of the time. freshwest Jan 2013 #60

Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #12)

 

regjoe

(206 posts)
17. Why, the type who prefer to protest
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:49 PM
Jan 2013

for Wall Street reasons and not pro 2nd Amendment reasons, of course.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,085 posts)
18. Oh, obviously.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:50 PM
Jan 2013

It's obviously important that one must protest for obvious 2nd Amendment reasons, which are what? Obviously.

 

regjoe

(206 posts)
21. Obviously
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:06 PM
Jan 2013

Protesting for pro 2nd Amendment reasons is about preventing the further erosion of the right.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
34. So you are for some form of gun control it looks like.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:25 PM
Jan 2013

I find it interesting that you think that people from Occupy should not have guns. Are you against liberals/ progressives having weapons? Or are you against the ones that have the guts to go out an protest having the right to bear arms. And finally do you have a problem with people of the left, because your posts seem to point to the fact you do.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
33. The occupy movement is trying to get economic justice for the people of this nation.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 10:15 PM
Jan 2013

I find it troubling the lack of respect that you are showing these people who sometimes put their safety on the line to protest for justice. I find it even worse that a jury kept your post 3-3.

union_maid

(3,502 posts)
38. Define success
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:49 AM
Jan 2013

Before Occupy Wall Street it was hard to find real discussion about income inequality outside of left leaning circles. After OWS it became part of the national conversation and helped to sink Mitt Romney and hurt the GOP in general. It might seem like a small victory to some, but as these things actually go it was huge. If they'd shown up armed, they'd all be dead or in prison at this moment and "class warfare" would continue to be a talking point for the right.

dtom67

(634 posts)
3. no...
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jan 2013

The world of advertising has proven year after year that the masses do not act on reason; they act on emotion. Read Bernaise or lippman. If people acted on hard data, we would not have a GOP. Taking care of the people is rational. Yet we do not do it. Guns defend me from the irrational among you i.e. th ones who thing this way of life will never end and therefore do not know how to feed themselves if the supermarket does not do it for them.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
7. But if the mob is coming for you or your food, you wont be able to stop them all.
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:59 PM
Jan 2013

A good retreat would be advisable.

Hekate

(90,192 posts)
8. What mob? Are you planning to be Left Behind from the Rapture?
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:03 PM
Jan 2013

Do dreams of the Apocalypse dance in your sweet little head?

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
14. My point simply was, his guns wont save him from
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jan 2013

being overwhelmed by a large group.
Did I misunderstand his statement?

patrice

(47,992 posts)
54. It is not rational to assume that since something has not happened it cannot/will not happen, especi
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:22 PM
Jan 2013

ally if one also acts in such a manner as to prevent its happening, such as enabling the violence and chaos that makes certain types of things less and less probable.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
59. & it is rational to hypothesize that "less and less probable" I mentioned in my previous post *IS*
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:27 PM
Jan 2013

the point of at least a few of your cohort, whether you recognize that probability or not, which hypothesis is supported by what appears to be a reliance on gun-fascism FOR ITS OWN SAKE since it is the easiest and most powerful form of power there is.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
6. Yeah. If you listen to these idiots you'd think
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 03:45 PM
Jan 2013

that no uprising against a government has ever happened in a country without an armed citizenry. Not only do these people have absolutely no knowledge or understanding of history, but they don't even know anything about current events.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
10. I will agree with you on your last points,
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:14 PM
Jan 2013

but if, by some miracle, the vast majority of the population of a country went on a peaceful general strike it could possibly bring down the government. No government can control an entire population at once and of course, the military would be joining with them as well.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
28. And no revolution has ever been successful without a huge influx of guns
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:31 PM
Jan 2013

I know you think history is on your side of the argument but it's really not all that obvious...

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
29. But the influx of guns in the recent revolutions I'm thinking about
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:13 PM
Jan 2013

are not because of an already armed citizenry.

Plus, the notion that an unarmed citizenry is necessarily under the yoke of a dictatorship is ludicrous. Unless Australia, and England, and almost every other country we can name are dictatorships and somehow I missed that.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
37. I must have misread your post yesterday... It was late.. I thought you were saying the opposite of
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:29 AM
Jan 2013

what you were actually saying.

Can it be that I'm so used to this argument that I'm starting to see it even where it is never promoted?

Sorry for that.
 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
31. LOL
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:56 PM
Jan 2013

> d no revolution has ever been successful without a huge influx of guns

Tell me about all the guns in Tunisia. Already forgot about that one, eh?

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
36. Edited
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:27 AM
Jan 2013

Other poster asserted that no Revolution was ever one without guns.

I pointed out that the guns that win Revolutions are mostly not those previously priavetly held by the citizens.

Surely, and clearly, my point was not that every Revolution NEEDS guns. But that was apparent from the start, wasn't it.

Edit: I misread the whole exchange. I thought SheilaT was saying the opposite of what she actually said. Nevermind.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
11. + a million
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jan 2013

but sadly, fear, uncertainty, scapegoating and hatred are base human emotions that are much, much easier to pander to...

srican69

(1,426 posts)
25. That is terrific advice for a one on one situation ....not so terrific when you consider the
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:21 PM
Jan 2013

fact that the recipient of your kind words has a much bigger gun.

legaleagle_45

(43 posts)
27. True enough
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:28 PM
Jan 2013

But the threat of force is still persuasive even if it remains unused. Which is one of the reasons why we have never had a military coup in the US (although one was supposedly considered in 1933 to unseat FDR in what is called the Businessmen's plot).

You see, any political leader in the US who sanctioned the use of nuclear weapons against the civilian population would not be a political leader in the US for long.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
32. Threat of force????
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 06:58 PM
Jan 2013

Are you SERIOUS??? What a brainless NRA Talking Point! You think a bunch of unorganized yahoos with their popguns would even cause one drop of sweat on some general's head??????

HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

snort

(2,334 posts)
40. Do you really think that
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 11:41 AM
Jan 2013

policy is being steered based on the populace having guns? "Oh, let's not enact that law, they have guns". What a fucked up fantasy. You hip swivelers can act like John Wayne but I am betting that he would have shit his pants if he'd had an actual firearm stuck in his face. Lame.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
26. I'm reminded of a study where Fox News viewers are less informed
Tue Jan 29, 2013, 05:25 PM
Jan 2013

than people who don't watch news. Hmmmmm

Throd

(7,208 posts)
35. Until that tyranny decides to start murdering an informed and engaged citizenry.
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 12:56 AM
Jan 2013

Then you're kinda fucked.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
41. Better to die on my feet than live on my knees
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 11:44 AM
Jan 2013

The best defense against tyranny is an informed, engaged, and ARMED citizenry. This should be cultivated from cradle to grave.

Knowledge is power, but ain't nothin' wrong with a 30-round magazine for those thugs who can't be reasoned with.

srican69

(1,426 posts)
44. I just don't understand paranoia that USA is going to turn from a mature democracy into a
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jan 2013

despotic autocracy ....

the worst I have seen is a bit of an over zealous police that act at the local level .... nothing .. i repeat nothing ..... exists in this country that would allow a national level tyrant to take hold....

The closest has been J.Edgar Hoover ... and the way to tackle that is with laws -- not guns.

derby378

(30,252 posts)
46. Well, there WAS George W. Bush...
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:39 PM
Jan 2013

...and his eight-year reign of terror (or error, depending on how you look at it) was enough to convince my dear wife (RIP, Ginny), who was a strong supporter of gun-control laws, to concede that in extreme cases, civilians should have access to military firearms so that they would at least have a chance. She would probably still support the proposed Feinstein ban, though.

srican69

(1,426 posts)
50. As disastrous his presidency was, on every conceivable level, save humanitarian efforts in Africa...
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:52 PM
Jan 2013

He also stole the 2000 election .... and I am still burned up about it ....

But I don't see how was his administration was repressive ... the patriot act was misguided - but was there any proof that it was used to target political opponents ? Yes - I hated all the security measures at the airport - but what choice did we have?


Most of all - How did me ( or us) having guns change any of all that .... I don't think that an armed revolt would have been the most effective way to address any of the issue above. Bottom line is that people here are already too suspicious of a strong central authority ( a good thing) for mad man to take the control of our collective destinies .. the conditions for that to come about dont exist my friend .. and that is what most puzzles about the fear of such an outcome ... not plausible !!!

allan01

(1,950 posts)
43. re:"The best defense against tyranny is an informed and engaged citizenry. Not millions of petty arm
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jan 2013

thanks for this bit of reason. right now i am sick of hearing about the missquted and missrepresented 2nd amdment ( i wish someone would challenge it in court). and i am sick of guns to the point where i want to throw up.

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
66. After repeating the same word twice, I flushed you out...
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:44 PM
Jan 2013

Tell me, is quail hunting in Alabama as bad as it elsewhere in the South?

 

Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
48. Is this now a main ideology for Occupy, or is this a breakaway or affinity group?
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jan 2013

I ask because quite a few Occupy Austin folks had no problem with gun ownership.

How do you think this Occupy NRA group will fare in changing public opinion when they describe "millions" of fellow citizens as "tyrants?"

srican69

(1,426 posts)
51. no there is no 'main ideology' from occupy .. there are no official positions .. this was a just
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jan 2013

posted by one of the participants that got passed around

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
58. Informed and engaged yes
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jan 2013

ill-informed and enraged, not so much.

Shit, most of these people only read Rush Limpballs and Glenn Becks lips and form an opinion they are told to form by someone who was TOLD by Fox what to sayand how to say it.

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