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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"The best defense against tyranny is an informed and engaged citizenry. Not millions of petty armed
tyrants"
-From the OCCUPY NRA Facebook page
I wish somebody could stuff this nugget of wisdom inside the pea sized brains of those eternally styoopid 2nd Amendment Apologists.
SunSeeker
(51,371 posts)regjoe
(206 posts)Seeing how thousands of petty campers were so successful and all.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #12)
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Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)Obvious.
You are quite obvious.
regjoe
(206 posts)for Wall Street reasons and not pro 2nd Amendment reasons, of course.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)It's obviously important that one must protest for obvious 2nd Amendment reasons, which are what? Obviously.
regjoe
(206 posts)Protesting for pro 2nd Amendment reasons is about preventing the further erosion of the right.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)It should be Obvious to me, I know.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)You can join a well-regulated militia any time you want, and fondle your guns.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Once again Failure Troll fails and gets PPRd.
smiley
(1,432 posts)please explain. I'm sure a lot of people here would love to hear your explanation.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,085 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I find it interesting that you think that people from Occupy should not have guns. Are you against liberals/ progressives having weapons? Or are you against the ones that have the guts to go out an protest having the right to bear arms. And finally do you have a problem with people of the left, because your posts seem to point to the fact you do.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I find it troubling the lack of respect that you are showing these people who sometimes put their safety on the line to protest for justice. I find it even worse that a jury kept your post 3-3.
union_maid
(3,502 posts)Before Occupy Wall Street it was hard to find real discussion about income inequality outside of left leaning circles. After OWS it became part of the national conversation and helped to sink Mitt Romney and hurt the GOP in general. It might seem like a small victory to some, but as these things actually go it was huge. If they'd shown up armed, they'd all be dead or in prison at this moment and "class warfare" would continue to be a talking point for the right.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The world of advertising has proven year after year that the masses do not act on reason; they act on emotion. Read Bernaise or lippman. If people acted on hard data, we would not have a GOP. Taking care of the people is rational. Yet we do not do it. Guns defend me from the irrational among you i.e. th ones who thing this way of life will never end and therefore do not know how to feed themselves if the supermarket does not do it for them.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)A good retreat would be advisable.
Hekate
(90,192 posts)Do dreams of the Apocalypse dance in your sweet little head?
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)being overwhelmed by a large group.
Did I misunderstand his statement?
Hekate
(90,192 posts)If so, I apologize.
Romulus Quirinus
(524 posts)so give them guns.
Perfectly sensible, lol.
patrice
(47,992 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)ally if one also acts in such a manner as to prevent its happening, such as enabling the violence and chaos that makes certain types of things less and less probable.
patrice
(47,992 posts)the point of at least a few of your cohort, whether you recognize that probability or not, which hypothesis is supported by what appears to be a reliance on gun-fascism FOR ITS OWN SAKE since it is the easiest and most powerful form of power there is.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)cer7711
(502 posts)Indeed.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)that no uprising against a government has ever happened in a country without an armed citizenry. Not only do these people have absolutely no knowledge or understanding of history, but they don't even know anything about current events.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)but if, by some miracle, the vast majority of the population of a country went on a peaceful general strike it could possibly bring down the government. No government can control an entire population at once and of course, the military would be joining with them as well.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)I know you think history is on your side of the argument but it's really not all that obvious...
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)are not because of an already armed citizenry.
Plus, the notion that an unarmed citizenry is necessarily under the yoke of a dictatorship is ludicrous. Unless Australia, and England, and almost every other country we can name are dictatorships and somehow I missed that.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)what you were actually saying.
Can it be that I'm so used to this argument that I'm starting to see it even where it is never promoted?
Sorry for that.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)misread something.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)> d no revolution has ever been successful without a huge influx of guns
Tell me about all the guns in Tunisia. Already forgot about that one, eh?
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)Other poster asserted that no Revolution was ever one without guns.
I pointed out that the guns that win Revolutions are mostly not those previously priavetly held by the citizens.
Surely, and clearly, my point was not that every Revolution NEEDS guns. But that was apparent from the start, wasn't it.
Edit: I misread the whole exchange. I thought SheilaT was saying the opposite of what she actually said. Nevermind.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)but sadly, fear, uncertainty, scapegoating and hatred are base human emotions that are much, much easier to pander to...
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)fuck them.
legaleagle_45
(43 posts)You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone
srican69
(1,426 posts)fact that the recipient of your kind words has a much bigger gun.
legaleagle_45
(43 posts)But the threat of force is still persuasive even if it remains unused. Which is one of the reasons why we have never had a military coup in the US (although one was supposedly considered in 1933 to unseat FDR in what is called the Businessmen's plot).
You see, any political leader in the US who sanctioned the use of nuclear weapons against the civilian population would not be a political leader in the US for long.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)Are you SERIOUS??? What a brainless NRA Talking Point! You think a bunch of unorganized yahoos with their popguns would even cause one drop of sweat on some general's head??????
HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
snort
(2,334 posts)policy is being steered based on the populace having guns? "Oh, let's not enact that law, they have guns". What a fucked up fantasy. You hip swivelers can act like John Wayne but I am betting that he would have shit his pants if he'd had an actual firearm stuck in his face. Lame.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)than people who don't watch news. Hmmmmm
Throd
(7,208 posts)Then you're kinda fucked.
srican69
(1,426 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)The best defense against tyranny is an informed, engaged, and ARMED citizenry. This should be cultivated from cradle to grave.
Knowledge is power, but ain't nothin' wrong with a 30-round magazine for those thugs who can't be reasoned with.
srican69
(1,426 posts)despotic autocracy ....
the worst I have seen is a bit of an over zealous police that act at the local level .... nothing .. i repeat nothing ..... exists in this country that would allow a national level tyrant to take hold....
The closest has been J.Edgar Hoover ... and the way to tackle that is with laws -- not guns.
derby378
(30,252 posts)...and his eight-year reign of terror (or error, depending on how you look at it) was enough to convince my dear wife (RIP, Ginny), who was a strong supporter of gun-control laws, to concede that in extreme cases, civilians should have access to military firearms so that they would at least have a chance. She would probably still support the proposed Feinstein ban, though.
srican69
(1,426 posts)He also stole the 2000 election .... and I am still burned up about it ....
But I don't see how was his administration was repressive ... the patriot act was misguided - but was there any proof that it was used to target political opponents ? Yes - I hated all the security measures at the airport - but what choice did we have?
Most of all - How did me ( or us) having guns change any of all that .... I don't think that an armed revolt would have been the most effective way to address any of the issue above. Bottom line is that people here are already too suspicious of a strong central authority ( a good thing) for mad man to take the control of our collective destinies .. the conditions for that to come about dont exist my friend .. and that is what most puzzles about the fear of such an outcome ... not plausible !!!
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)What the fuck is happening to DU?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)allan01
(1,950 posts)thanks for this bit of reason. right now i am sick of hearing about the missquted and missrepresented 2nd amdment ( i wish someone would challenge it in court). and i am sick of guns to the point where i want to throw up.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)UMADTHO!
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)Enough to keep you coming back. UMAD!
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Tell me, is quail hunting in Alabama as bad as it elsewhere in the South?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)I ask because quite a few Occupy Austin folks had no problem with gun ownership.
How do you think this Occupy NRA group will fare in changing public opinion when they describe "millions" of fellow citizens as "tyrants?"
srican69
(1,426 posts)posted by one of the participants that got passed around
patrice
(47,992 posts)rustydog
(9,186 posts)ill-informed and enraged, not so much.
Shit, most of these people only read Rush Limpballs and Glenn Becks lips and form an opinion they are told to form by someone who was TOLD by Fox what to sayand how to say it.