So, ya gonna vote for Hillary in 2016?

[bvar22]

I mean, "Its HER turn" and everything.
AND, it would be "historic".

Don't worry about Old Joe.
He's a good soldier, and will just step aside for Hillary 2016!!!!!!

The Media has already christened her as the Front Runner, ya know.
Looks like a LOCK ta me, dude......WHAT!... Hoot Hoot... BANG!!!

[Blue_In_AK]

1. Way too early, Bvar22.

I would prefer someone new and fresh (and more progressive) myself, but that's just me.

[bvar22]

9. Hey, Blue.

Maybe I shouldn't have had the glass of wine before dinner,
and decided to have a little fun.

[Bryn]

16. I am also having a glass of wine ...

Cheers, neighbor

[bvar22]

18. Hey, Neighbor!

Turned into a great afternoon after the recent round of storms.
Hope you are well and enjoying this Spring Like weather in January.
We already have a beautiful Crocus bloom in the front yard,
the Daffys are 6" tall with bloom swellings,
and bud swellings on the fruit trees.

...so early that it scares me,
but might as well enjoy it.

[Bryn]

22. You got to be kidding!

Look at this picture of snow I got on Christmas Day on my back upper deck ... snow stayed on the ground for nearly 2 weeks. Then it got warm... up to 70 then storms then back to cold weather. Crazy! Didn't you also get the snow?

[Blue_In_AK]

17. Somehow I knew you weren't being completely serious here.

[Art_from_Ark]

38. Was that Wiederkher wine?

http://www.arkansas.com/!userfiles/Wiederkehr_Wine_Cellar_034.jpg

[Bryn]

14. Ditto

and certainly not someone from "Third Way" stuff. Has to be a true democrat ... someone like FDR or Paul Wellstone ...

[Laura PourMeADrink]

30. like who?

[Blue_In_AK]

62. I don't have anyone specifically in mind right now.

A lot can happen in three years.

[hfojvt]

69. How about Mark Dayton of Minnesota?

he was the most liberal Senator in the Senate and is now Governor of Minnesota. He's rich though, and I am always sorta leery of a rich person really representing the working class.

The thing is, if Hillary runs, I don't see anybody beating her. Dayton is from neighboring Minnesota so might do okay in Iowa, but Minnesota and Iowa don't exactly get along either.

I am not aware of what he is doing in Minnesota, but when I tried to think of somebody acceptable, his name came up.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. I'll vote for her if she's the candidate.

I do NOT vote for people because it's their turn, for crissakes.

[longship]

3. Please do not be pwned by unlabeled sarcasm here. nt

[leftstreet]

4. She lost to Obama. Can she beat Jeb?

I'd think so, but I don't know

[graham4anything]

12. it takes a village of Clinton's to defeat a Village of Bush's

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. Good point...but I think an Obama is a once in a life time phenomenon - Who do you

think could be another once in a lifetime phenom? Actually, she is. The first woman.

Plus, the repukes have boxed themselves in a corner. They started loving Hillary so they didn't have to have the black guy.

they are on record saying they love Hillary. Sounds like the makings of some pretty good campaign ads

[tularetom]

5. Why do I have to decide that now?

If she ends up as the Democratic candidate and the republicans nominate their usual douchebag of course I will vote for her.

But if somebody better comes along on the Democratic side and they get the nomination then naturally I'll vote for them.

If I have to make a choice in a primary I'll wait and see who the choice is between.

It's fucking 2013 and I have a lot of other crap to think about. This may be a burning question to Chris Matthews and the rest of the beltway pundits but I don't really give a shit about it.

[JustAnotherGen]

87. I'm with you

of the OP aside - Who cares.

We have a Democratic President.
Democratic Senate.
He's putting together a new cabinet that includes two people who see Iraq and Afghanistan as the stupidest things ever.


So - let's put pressure on the one we've got to shove through anything and everything we can that is liberal and progressive.


I refuse to wait or to make the ones we've got worry about what might maybe someday happen if they do ANYTHING that helps America NOW in 2016, or 18, or 20.


We've got work to do now as progressives.

[Auntie Bush]

6. You betcha...won't change my mind in 2016.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

7. What I'm gonna do is forgo the primary wars until they announce.

I suggest we all do the same.

[McCamy Taylor]

8. I am going to vote for the Democratic nominee. In the meantime, I will not hamstring any

potential nominee.

[AsahinaKimi]

10. When we get to 2016...i will be sure to let you know..

If you remind me. I will probably forget.

[graham4anything]

11. If early voting started today, my vote already would be locked in Hillary45/Biden 2016

[bvar22]

20. You don't think Biden would mind?

I mean, if it is anyone's "turn",
it should be his, shouldn't it?

Historically, how many times has a sitting Vice-President been asked to take the back seat for another 8 years?

Has that ever happened?
.
.
.
.
.
.
Anyone?

[graham4anything]

23. Except for Poppy Bush41, VP's don't become President by election since 1836

and in 1988, that was because Mike Dukakis, like a few others that followed him who were not numbered Presidents, ran a simply awful campaign he could have won.

Other than that, I can't recall any recent VP that directly was elected President and seated.

One would have to go back who knows how

Vice presidents who became presidents

from wiki-the free encyclopedia-
There have been 14 vice presidents who have become President of the United States.

John Adams, elected president in 1796.
Thomas Jefferson, elected president in 1800.
Martin Van Buren, elected President in 1836.
John Tyler, became president when William Henry Harrison died in office.
Millard Fillmore, became president when Zachary Taylor died in office.
Andrew Johnson, became president when Abraham Lincoln was assassinated in office.
Chester A. Arthur, became president when James A. Garfield was assassinated in office.
Theodore Roosevelt, became president when William McKinley was assassinated in office.
Calvin Coolidge, became president when Warren G. Harding died in office.
Harry S Truman, became president when Franklin D. Roosevelt died in office.
Lyndon B. Johnson, became president when John F. Kennedy was assassinated in office.
Richard Nixon, elected president in 1968. He is the only person on this list who was not serving as vice president when he became president.
Gerald Ford, became president in 1974 when Richard Nixon resigned.
George H. W. Bush, elected President in 1988.


and Joe as VP for a third term would make him the single longest/greatest VP ever.


My vote is already placed.
Hillary45.

[KoKo]

25. WIKI is OUR FRIEND....and CUT & PASTE is OUR DUTY! n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

37. Geez, I had to stop and look up George H W Bush as a VP. He really left

a tremendous impression on me. haha

[Honeycombe8]

29. I don't think he'd want to be VP AGAIN. Plus, the ticket would need young blood...

fresh blood, as they say.

[graham4anything]

41. Koufax/Drysdale Seaver/Koosman Mays/McCovey

year after year, it was that order.

Biden should run to block any notgonnabees from disrupting

and Edwards (the #1 worst vp choice ever***(because Palin was just over her head, and Quayle served a specific purpose for 41 IMHO, but Edwards was just horrendous choice),and proved that never again should someone with ambition for a future #1, be #2 because it could hurt the actual running of the country

IMHO
feel free to disagree.

and as history has proven, VP is not a place to think about the future anyhow.

anything for the continuation of the President Obama agenda, and why wouldn't Joe Biden want to do it?
He certainly is not retiring, though SOS would be a place too if President elect at that time Clinton wanted to do that, but VP is perfect in this case (as President Obama naming Joe was perfect in 2008, and naming President to be Clinton SOS was.

[Honeycombe8]

46. I'm thinking he's pretty tired of being #2.

I also don't think he and the Clintons are close, are they? Obama and Biden have a special friendship and special trust.

I said fresh, young blood. Not some whippersnapper looking to make a name for himself (although s/he would certainly be doing that). The person would have to have national experience. It's not easy running on the Presidential ticket. It's brutal. Ask Rick Perry!

I thought Edwards wasn't a good choice, also. But there were good reasons to choose him, not the least of which was he had a huge following and built in votes. It wasn't Edwards who lost that election for Kerry. In fact, Edwards wanted to fight the Ohio count. Who knows what would've happened, had he prevailed in that decision?

[graham4anything]

47. In your first paragraph, you said the reason why Biden would indeed do it.

to further the agenda of President Obama, that VP Biden is part of.

They are all part of Team Obama to use a term kids say these days

Choosing Edwards was as vapid as McCain choosing Sarah.

the thing with bad mistakes is not to look backward, but look forward and use the slogan Never Again.
Never again a John Edwards, Sarah Palin or Dan Quayle.(but I will always believe Quayle was picked as a mirror image to W, and made W easier to accept, so he had a reason.

Edwards might not have lost the election,
But there is a good analogy-
Should have been Bob Graham
But that ageism healthism boringism obsessiveism thing

Bob Graham would have won it.

I personally don't get why people today think people are bored or tired with jobs.
Ted Kennedy served in the senate 40 years. Lautenberg, after retiring, came back as Senator and is still going strong in the last two years of his term.

The VP is the second most important postition in the world, and less than 90 people have been president or VP, all are immortal.
Out of billions of people, less than 90.

There is NO shame in being VP.
Being the longest running VP would make Joe Biden the 45th highest ranking person in US history(as Hillarywould be 45,that would make her the 44th different, then Joe

and there is NO constitutional limit to a VP term.

[theKed]

61. Sigh.

Keep on beating that horse. It's probably not dead, yet.

New faces. Fresh Blood. Someone under the age of 70 on at least half the ticket. Unless you like young voters just not showing up out of sheer apathy, that is. Losing elections isn't too fun, though...Just ask Palin (who is, shockingly, not the worst VP candidate ever? WTF? Have you heard her speak? Ever?) So...2 1/2 years from now, once the mid terms are past and we have the time to dedicate to looking seriously at all the REAL candidates (y'know, the ones that aren't already retired from politics or otherwise disinterested in running) lets take it one step at a time. Win the House in 2014, first. There is nothing more important than that right now.

[graham4anything]

70. actually there are 2 things right now more important than 2014

Actually right now, 100% amnesty, 100% citizenship 100% voting rights is more important than 2014
Actually, right now 100% guns off the street is more important


but I can multi-task

But keep up with that ageism crap.
Ageism is the same as any other ism.
Any other bad stereotype.

Getting some pimpled faced Paul Ryan, yeah, that's the ticket as Tommy Flanagan used to say.
Getting some grease in hair $400 haircut, Chuckie look a like, yeah, that's the ticket.

If I want some Chuckie, I will put on a little Rickie Lee Jones, thank you.
Last I heard Chuckie is still in love.

But I don't want the $400 haircut fraud or anything like him ever again.
I am Jewish. The Phrase Never Again resonates with me.
John Edwards.Paul Ryan Never again.

BTW, keep spewing the ageism.
I know alot of those 45 and over who haven't worked the job they used to be in
Because the new boss(some 20 year old out of school has a prejudice, and canned
anyone over 45 because well, they are just about got one foot in the grave.
So keep up with that ageism crap.


and you are right, losing elections suck.
There have been 44 Presidential winners.
Anyone not seated is a loser if the other party took office.

And in 1992, it took a Clinton to defeat a Bush.
Jeb Bush will be the republican nominee, and guess what, I don't want to lose
It takes a Clinton to defeat a Bush.
And it takes a village of Clinton's/Obama's/Biden's to defeat the village of Bush's.

Hey, Jeb kicked Rubio's ass yesterday on immigration.
Bill kicked Jeb's father's ass in 1992.
Hillary will kick Jeb's ass in 2016.
Hillary45.
Michelle46.

I bet not one of the people that says "no to another Clinton or Bush" never said the same thing about Bobby Kennedy.

And I bet not one of the people who CLAIM they are progressives ever said that to Jerry Brown.

The old whippersnapper in California is sure doing a helleva job.
Glad the ageism people didn't force him into an old age home 20 years ago to get some
what was that stupid word you just used? "fresh blood".
Oh Yeah and California is eternally the state where people are always young.
Tanned fit and trim the whole year round.

And I bet in 1992, people who didn't like Bill and Hillary didn't use the ageism of Bill being too old. What a crock of spit.

(someone today(Friday) said Bill ruined America. Can you f'k'g believe someone thought Bill ruined America in 1992.
Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo, Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Bill?
I mean, Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan, Bush41, Bush43, Jeb, Delay, Ralph Nader,
Ron Paul ruined America.
But someone saying Bill Clinton in 1992 ruined America?
Must be a Bush41 fan if you think Bill ruined America.
President Clinton. Looks great on my placemat of the presidents as 42.
Will look even better seeing President Clinton on my revised placemat in 2017 as President 45.
sheesh.

(don't mind me repeating myself, I am old after all...
ageism. I cannot believe that one keeps using that prejudicial line.
urghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

and btw, I am sure glad someone didn't tell Golda Meir she was too old. One of the greatest world leaders, male or female, the world ever knew.
sheeeshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

and I am glad Canada did not tell Pierre Trudeau when he came back later on, that he was too old.

and I am truly happy France did not tell Emmanuelle Riva to not act again because she was too old. I will be jumping up and down should Ms. Riva win the Academy Award 24 days from now. Though the movie is not a mass appeal movie, and probably most people have not seen it.
But the eternally young European world, all have honored Ms. Riva as best actress.
Yeah, sure they will give the award here in the US to Jennifer Lawrence,
But I stand and applaud Ms. Riva.
If Ms. Lawrence is still acting in ten years, let alone 50, I will at that time stand and applaud her.
BTW, what's your opinion of "Amour"?

But then what do I know. I just watched Jack Benny on Antenna TV an hour ago.

BTW you do realize Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are just about the same age
as President HIllary45 Clinton and VP Biden don't you?

oops.

Me, I would happily vote for either for President.
However, I will go with the ticket that has the best chance of WINNING

Another mistake in the analogy btw you make in 2008 is
Sarah didn't help or hurt McCain's chances of winning.

President Obama (and if it had been Hillary) both would have kicked John McCain's ass.
Let me repeat myself (excuse me I am old, I do that),
PRESIDENT OBAMA WON IN 2008.
Nobody beat him. HE BEAT THEM.
and had it been Hillary44- HILLARY WOULD HAVE CREAMED MCCAIN.
McCain would NOT have beaten either of them.
It wasn't that McCain lost. He was the best candidate the republicans had.
However- he was NOT Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.
The Democratic party had the best two candidates in 2008.Either was as good as the other.
But only one could win.
Hillary did not lose. And she would have made a fine VP.

However, to the genius of President Obama, the world had the single #1 greatest SOS of
all time.
It will be decades most likely before the world ever sees such a great SOS again.

And together, TEAM OBAMA (as the young ones use the term Team, I will to make my point)-
TEAM OBAMA will win again in 2016 and 2020.
Team Obama IS- President Obama SOS Hillary Clinton VP BIden, and
Team Obama is also Senator Elizabeth Warren.
They all play on the same team.
They are all teammates.
They are not against each other. They are playing to win and playing the 10 step ahead game of politics.

Together.
I am going to call my dj and make a dedication
enjoy

[theKed]

73. Bernie Sanders? Elizabeth Warren?

I think you must've responded to the wrong post. I never pushed them as candidates. Either, in their time, may have made great presidents, but not anymore. Nor did I advocate Paul Ryan ....and to equate any younger candidate with him is just as much "ageism", FYI. And a bad, bad strawman argument. And furthermore, never, ever did I say "Bill Clinton ruined America". Yeah...you really must've thought you were replying to a different post.

You should probably go back and delete that baffling blunderbuss barrage of bullshit, and try again.

[graham4anything]

77. Hillary45. There is no other choice to beat Jeb along with all the other candidates

my words were not to you personally as they never indicated they were in the first place
and I stand by everything I say.

so have a nice day.It is looking like a nice sunny day here.(no you didn't mention the weather, but I am a polite person and it loks beautiful out there.)

Don't vote for an old person if you want to not vote for them.
Vote for Honey boo boo if you wish.

My vote is locked in for HIllary45/Biden.If we could vote today, I would.
Great thing about early voting is, one can ignore every event after the second one votes,it is irrelevant.
And it means the votes are on record.

But if you don't want old candidates, well, way more than 50% of the house and senate are not in their 20s or 30s.
Are you suggesting that all 2014 candidates over a certain age not run?

and again, no one said you said those things.
They are included in the post answering all the answers that are in the thread or others about Hillary45.

I don't know how to quote seven different posts responding to all in the same post nor do I wish to spend overpost by answering individually in 7 different.
One compact answer for all
One needs wider vision.

BTW, Ed Koch died today.
I will never forgive Mario & Andrew Cuomo for the smear against Koch.
Every local TV station is mentioning it.
So it is on record.
And unforgiveable.

(and no, you didn't mention Ed Koch.) But while I have your attention, thought I would mention it.

And I also hear there is a very racist commercial in the SuperBowl.
No, you didn't mention that either, so it has nothing to do with your answer.

edit to add-
here is the exact phrase on Warren and Sanders-
where did you get that it was something you said
I said "by the way"
BTW, and it was a question,
sheesh, nothing to do with you, but the phraseology of your request sounds like the citation askers on the gun threads.(again not referring to you "theked" here." I am just saying it sounds simliar to those arguments.



"BTW you do realize Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are just about the same age
as President HIllary45 Clinton and VP Biden don't you?"

[theKed]

86. Tell you what

If you wish to make general statements, don't do them here. Respond to the OP or make a new thread. If, instead, your intent was to imply my attatchment to certain (laughably erroneous) positions, kindly tell me to my face or piss off.

I don't know where this persona of the Clintons as mythical giant slayers comes from, honestly. Bill was a fine president, but without Perot he never would have been elected in 92. Hillary would have been a fine president, but she couldn't beat a one-term senator in a primary battle. You know what's great about the Democratic Party, though? We don't need elite families hand-picked to ascend to the throne. We can choose the best person for the job - whether that means a monied New York family of politicians, a lawyer from Arkansas, or a young black man from Chicago.

You know who can beat Jeb - should he even choose to run and should he win the nomination - in 2016? Anybody we want to beat Jeb. Because, candidate or not, Bill and Hillary will be in that campaign trail. Barack and Michelle will, too. So put away your bullshit mythology-to-be.

Here's a hypothetical question for you: when Hillary doesnt get the nod, if she decided to run as an independent...what would you do?

[graham4anything]

89. Hillary45. Though if one insists...Elizabeth,Deval,Vicky,Michelle,Cory, and wild card Chelsea

I will humor you

Elizabeth Warren,Deval Patrick, Vicky Kennedy, Michelle Obama,Cory Booker,
and

Joe Biden for VP for a third term for any of them.

If Joe don't want to be VP, I would love for Jerry Brown to achieve immortality doing so, or soon to be Florida Gov. Charlie Crist. Or Bob Graham.

It would of course have to be someone running as a democratic candidate for President.

Of course, if you insist on someone just qualifying age-
how about Chelsea Clinton (though 16 years from 2016 is more likely).
She would be 36 in 2016. Therefore qualified. But it is ludacrist to think that would happen

Were it 8 years later, I would definitely say Michelle, but 2024 is more like it.

IMHO the general public is cautious and in saying that, it is why, if history is going to be set again with Hillary45, then for the exact same reason President Obama took Joe Biden,
Hillary45 would take Joe Biden again.


*****
An outside very long shot would be, Christine Quinn if she wins the Mayor of New York in 2013.

and
I reserve the right to add one and only one person to be named later,
provided it was a Democratic candidate of course. History would also be made.
for President or VP.

anyone can beat Rand Paul or Paul Ryan or some other rightwing extremist.
Not everyone could beat Chris Christie.
And only Hillary45 can beat Jeb Bush.

All the others are unvetted. ALL OF THEM.
All of Hillary's dirt is out there.
All of Obama/Hillary's voters already have discarded ALL the dirt.

imho imho imho imho imho

we gotta win, and I want and hope HIllary45 nominates Barack Obama to the US Supreme Court in 2018, after a one year rest for him.
Supreme Court is where Barack Obama was born to reside for 20-30 years.

[Arcanetrance]

75. All those 100 % things you said you want will only happen if we retake the house

[graham4anything]

81. why?

Remember 1965, the greatest two events in modern history, when LBJ signed those acts,
took republicans to help, due to the George Wallace racist wing of the democratic party.

But knowing Hillary45 will continue President Obama's two terms, will indeed help in 2014

[Arcanetrance]

82. Well for one Hillary isn't exactly the grand leader you find her to be.

There are plenty who are lukewarm to her now. Second without the house regardless of Obama now Hillary or someone else in 2016 Congress will still be deadlocked. This is assuming we keep our hold in the Senate and don't lose that. Let's fight our battles one at a time the legislative branch needs to be where our focus is now.

[graham4anything]

84. Then everyone fight for Bob Menendez. Because Christie will pick a 10month replacement

That is the trouble with protest votes

all those high and mighty who didn't vote for Corzine, got Chrstie.

If you don't like someone, hold your nose and vote for them anyhow

because one vote makes a difference

(and no, I didn't say you weren't fighting for menendez, just saying everyone should

[Arcanetrance]

88. I got the implication of what you were saying

I agree holding your votes in protest is stupid it's part of our current dilemma people held out their votes in 2010

[Whisp]

13. the media was like this for her in 2007 so ...

so

[Trajan]

15. I'll vote for either one ...

but, fuck it ... let's fight!!!

[bigwillq]

19. Nope

I am hoping someone better runs. If she is the nominee, I will vote third party again.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. Bigwillq

Whaaa??? Is she too conservative for you? Geez, just remembered she voted for the war. Ahhhh.

Who would you like?

[bigwillq]

49. I am not sure

about who I want to run and win the NOM. It's way too early, imo, but I know I don't want Hillary. We've been there, done that. She ran and lost. Time for someone new.

[madinmaryland]

21. I'll let you know in 2016. nt

[KoKo]

24. Yep...I'm gonna LINE UP...because I SUPPORT REGIMES!

[Renew Deal]

26. Don't know, but is there a better candidate with a chance to win?

[hrmjustin]

27. I am voting for her if she runs.

[Comrade Grumpy]

28. Only if I have to, but really, check back in about three years.

[fadedrose]

31. No

[Honeycombe8]

32. Yes. First, because the Clintons are hugely responsible for Obama winning in 2012.

Second, because I think she'd be a really good Prez. She's been around at high levels long enough to know what's what, how to fight, how to get things done. Third, would Bill whisper advice in her ear? I don't want her to hear his advice on trade agreements, that's for sure. But in other aspects about the economy, a few opinions wouldn't hoit. He's brilliant. She's brilliant, too, of course. Goes w/o saying.

[Spider Jerusalem]

34. I'll vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016

whoever that ends up being. I'll wait to see who's actually in the running for the nomination before I decide where my primary vote goes.

I can already tell you it probably won't be Biden (who'll be 74 in 2016); I am not entirely convinced that Hillary intends to run, either, for that matter (she's not much younger and has had some recent and fairly serious health issues that may increase stroke risk in the future).

Considering that we have a good 2 years before candidates start to declare for the primaries, I'm not too concerned at the moment about 2016 in any case.

[quakerboy]

59. This ^^^

2014 comes first, anyway. one step at a time!

[whatchamacallit]

35. The cult is getting ready to switch a new personality n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. The media is in for a shock

She will be 69, I doubt she's running.

[1-Old-Man]

40. Nothing could make me vote for her - she would be a terrible President

She is everything I do not want in my President.

[hay rick]

45. I didn't think anything could make me vote for Obama again.

Mitt Romney made me change my mind.

[1-Old-Man]

80. You've got a good point there, but I still could not bring myself to vote for her

I see her as a fully integrated republican-lite, I see her (as I see Obama) as a war monger, I see her with the same eyes I see her husband, nice person but far to willing to apease the right.

[MFM008]

42. if she runs she has my vote

[Wounded Bear]

43. Well, I certainly won't vote for a Republican....

[alcibiades_mystery]

44. Watching the Pseudo-Progressive-Sarcastic-Third-Wayer / Bitter-2008-Primaryite Coalition Crumble...

...is going to be one of the great joys of the second term. That it's already happening less than two weeks after the inauguration only makes it so much more delicious. Hillary fans, you're about to find out exactly the kind of crazy you done got shacked up with.

Strange bedfellows no more!

[GreenStormCloud]

48. I don't think her health is up to it.

Yes, she would be a great president, but she has indicated that she wants to retire.

[Beacool]

50. This place sometimes makes me sick.

It's worse than the Freepers because what else could one expects from them?

[customerserviceguy]

51. If she's the nominee

What choice will I have?

[bottomofthehill]

52. Here comes Donnie Downer

I love Hillary, but she will be 70 years old and Uncle Joe will be 74. I don't know that I will be ready to vote for either one of them

[MadHound]

53. Ooo, what a choice, another Clinton, or the Senator from Visa, Mastercard and American Express.

Please Lord, let there be another option.

[Buzz Clik]

54. Holy flying fuck. We're doing this shit NOW?

[MannyGoldstein]

55. Hillary/Dimon 2016

It takes a village. Full of suckers.

[OneTenthofOnePercent]

56. Probably not in the primaries. Not my first, or even second choice.

After recent health issues and leaving her SoS post, she might hard pressed to make my 3rd choice.

[Jamaal510]

57. I'll vote for her if she runs and gets the nod,

just because having another Republican president would be a nightmare, and voting 3rd party would be pointless. But I'm hoping that a more progressive candidate runs who is viable. From what I can recall, she at one point supported the Iraq War, and that doesn't sit too well with me. But she already said she won't run again, plus she's almost 70 years old anyway, so I'll take her at her word.

[Arcanetrance]

78. To get away from the war part you would basically have to have someone who wasn't in Washington

When we decided to rollover for bush. Sadly the established party won't allow that

[bluestateguy]

58. I will be happy to

All the other Democrats (save for Biden) are a bunch of McGoverns, Mondales and Dukakises.

[Zoeisright]

60. I'll vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is.

Until the day I die.

[orleans]

63. couple of times i've seen her lately she looks so tired

would she even want to run?
i mean, after all the crap that has gone on and gone down since that fuckhead stole his first election -- i'm tired as hell
and if i'm that tired (just doing what i've been doing) she must be exhausted.

[Demo_Chris]

64. I will support her

[Rowdyboy]

65. As always, that depends on who runs. Its likely but by no means certain.....

Guesss we'llsee in 3 or 4 years.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

66. No. No more triangulating, 3rd Way, pro-war Democrats. NT

[MADem]

67. Joe always wanted to be SecState, you know. That was HIS "dream job."

I don't think he'd stand in the way of history. I think he'd take State if offered, too, assuming he was healthy.

He's not going to issue a Sherman statement because a lot can happen in four years. But if she runs, I kind of think he won't.

[JDPriestly]

68. Far too early. Let's see who runs. Biden and Hillary are both good candidates, but then

so are some others. I like my representative, Xavier Becerra. Probably couldn't get him to run, but he would do a great job.

[odiumestpuritas]

71. Only if she wins the party nomination

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

72. No. And Yes. Maybe.

I probably won't vote for her in the primary, if there is some one running who's a bit "left" of her. If "Old Joe" doesn't step aside, he probably has my vote.

In the general, I'll just vote the "D" ticket, quick and simple.

[MrSlayer]

74. I do seem to recall that 2008 was going to be Hillary vs. Captain 9/11.

It was a lock, in the books, set in stone, predetermined, destined and worth betting the farm on.

We all know how that turned out.

[DrDan]

76. seems to me we should concentrate on getting something done . . . rather than

an election 4 years in the future.

Lots and lots of work to be done now that 2012 is behind us.

Significant accomplishments will more likely lead to a victory in 4 years - more than starting to campaign now.

[Arcanetrance]

79. Just curious why are we debating this now.

The president just got sworn in a couple weeks ago. No one's even declared yet for 2016. Most importantly there's a midterm in 2014 we need to focus on or all this will be pointless. Now isn't the time to start the fracturing and infighting especially over mythical presidential candidates.

[antigop]

85. it's called the "inevitability" meme. nt

[LWolf]

83. I hope I won't be voting for either.

I'm hoping for a flaming socialist Democrat.

Since the inauguration for this term isn't even dry yet, I get to hope that for at least 2 years until reality comes crashing down and I'm presented with a group of neoliberals to sort through.

[L0oniX]

90. Voting is for believers. n/t

[1-Old-Man]

91. As is this website.