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Per NBC news 203 people shot today as of 6pm (Original Post) NightWatcher Jan 2013 OP
Is that 203 in one day Control-Z Jan 2013 #1
This country has lost it's soul sasha031 Jan 2013 #2
Lost its mind is more like it. nt valerief Jan 2013 #26
Indeed. City Lights Jan 2013 #39
More guns, we need more guns!!! RKP5637 Jan 2013 #3
I heard that, and then my phone rang, so I missed Ilsa Jan 2013 #4
Whoever owned that gun that shot the 14 y/o should face charges. randome Jan 2013 #5
IF ONLY THEY'D ALL BEEN ARMED! villager Jan 2013 #6
Wow, that's beyond crazy. What is the matter Laurian Jan 2013 #7
Most of those were criminals shooting other criminals. GreenStormCloud Jan 2013 #78
203 people shot today? JaneyVee Jan 2013 #8
Yes, but that's a typical day in the good ol' gun-worshipping USofA. Ilsa Jan 2013 #10
We are the ENVY of Europe, aren't we? CTyankee Jan 2013 #15
That is a mind-boggling number. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #19
These are but small prices a right-wing-soused society willingly pays for the right to pack indepat Jan 2013 #9
Message deleted by the DU Administrators SailorMike Jan 2013 #13
Find out and report back to us. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #14
Message deleted by the DU Administrators SailorMike Jan 2013 #22
see post 87 nt NoGOPZone Jan 2013 #35
Ermahgerd... pinboy3niner Jan 2013 #40
Beat me to it. nt Robb Jan 2013 #46
do the dittomasters want to know? Skittles Jan 2013 #18
Message deleted by the DU Administrators SailorMike Jan 2013 #23
Listen up! snort Jan 2013 #74
That's nothing...almost meaningless in light of the upcoming struggle of guns vs tyranny. jmg257 Jan 2013 #11
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!! /heckle alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #12
But, it's all okay NewJeffCT Jan 2013 #16
It's about time the networks started doing this... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #17
I hear this often, but that's really not the way I remember it NoPasaran Jan 2013 #20
I think in the early years Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #21
I remember reports of how many bombers were shot down that day Kolesar Jan 2013 #30
I'm 65... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #45
I am so sorry. Kolesar Jan 2013 #66
Thank you. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #70
So this will erode support for the 2A? geckosfeet Jan 2013 #36
Stop with the 2A BS... n/t Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #48
Well. Please explain. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #53
What don't you understand? Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #61
Ah. I see. Gun violence and crime needs to be exposed for the evil that it is. geckosfeet Jan 2013 #79
Now you are being ridiculous. Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #80
Today? Considering how many armed conflicts are active in the world right now... Deep13 Jan 2013 #24
Gun-related shootings in the United States TODAY... n/t Earth_First Jan 2013 #25
Twice as many as Britain can expect all year. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #27
I wonder how low you'd think it was if you'd been one of the victims. valerief Jan 2013 #28
Pardon me? Earth_First Jan 2013 #32
No. There were not 203 gun deaths in the US today Recursion Jan 2013 #33
Yes. TODAY Earth_First Jan 2013 #41
Oh, injuries? Yes, that makes sense Recursion Jan 2013 #47
"Firearm injury in the United States has averaged 32,300 deaths annually between 1980 and 2007." Robb Jan 2013 #44
I would think ANY shooting would be "gun-related." Bake Jan 2013 #71
How many victims of gun violence per day produced from Hollywood? Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #29
Other countries watch the same films but have less guns and gun deaths MightyMopar Jan 2013 #34
Sorry - other countries are not immersed in the same TV and Hollywood Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #63
Have you seen some of the things Aerows Jan 2013 #73
Also, FREEDOM!!11 Robb Jan 2013 #51
Movies and Video Games don't kill people. Guns kill people. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2013 #54
When Warner Brothers starts handing out free Glocks & ammo in the lobby, you'll have a point hatrack Jan 2013 #75
Deflect! Weak. morningfog Jan 2013 #81
That's year to date I think Recursion Jan 2013 #31
There have been 1440 since Newtown... Earth_First Jan 2013 #37
Sorry! I had misread that as "deaths" (nt) Recursion Jan 2013 #49
Actually, I think it's probably people shot today. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #42
Very few do Recursion Jan 2013 #50
"Very few"? 2 in five die, apparently. Robb Jan 2013 #52
No, 1 in 20 or thereabouts Recursion Jan 2013 #55
2 in 7, my bad. Robb Jan 2013 #57
Remembering now: 1 in 20 is ER deaths Recursion Jan 2013 #58
I'm sure they were just at drill practice with their local militias. nt. OldDem2012 Jan 2013 #38
LINK: Earth_First Jan 2013 #43
At a rate of 203 a day, for 365 days? Spider Jerusalem Jan 2013 #56
Wow. What is the reality here? Questions, questions, questions.... Skip Intro Jan 2013 #59
"inquiring" must mean something new these days. Robb Jan 2013 #62
Just the number of people shot (not killed) NightWatcher Jan 2013 #64
"Inquiring" minds want to deflect. morningfog Jan 2013 #82
FRICKING RIDICULOUS MindMover Jan 2013 #60
Here's a picture of 200-odd people doing yoga in Times Square. Robb Jan 2013 #65
Were all the armed good people slacking off again? undeterred Jan 2013 #67
Think how high the number MIGHT have been... Robb Jan 2013 #68
Love me some propaganda. 75,000/yr and 300 million people The Straight Story Jan 2013 #69
If your defense is what percentage of the US population died today, neverforget Jan 2013 #72
'we regulate the hell out of cars' snort Jan 2013 #76
So you're cool with gun deaths. We get it. Robb Jan 2013 #77
Make that 204. Milestone just posted that some dude Ilsa Jan 2013 #83

Ilsa

(61,676 posts)
4. I heard that, and then my phone rang, so I missed
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:48 PM
Jan 2013

the report. What the he'll is happening to a country where a middle schooler shoots another 14 year old at school? The gun-love is insane!

That's the number shot, not dead, but I bet it's a typical day, adding up to about 70,000 - 75,000 injured by a gun per year, 11,000 killed.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
7. Wow, that's beyond crazy. What is the matter
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:55 PM
Jan 2013

with people? Seems like a every little slight (both real and perceived) is resulting in a shoot out. Since when is this the way to resolve differences? I'd prefer to just say,"Fuck it" and walk away. Gun violence always destroys the perpetrator and their family as well as the victim and their family. We are ending up with a whole lot of damaged people in this society.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
78. Most of those were criminals shooting other criminals.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:54 PM
Jan 2013

Most of the rest were criminals (People with prior criminal records) shooting innocent people. Violent criminals don't pay any attention to gun laws.

Very few of them were law-abiding people shooting anybody.

Ilsa

(61,676 posts)
10. Yes, but that's a typical day in the good ol' gun-worshipping USofA.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jan 2013

The stats say about 77,000-78,000 people were injured in 2011.

CTyankee

(63,773 posts)
15. We are the ENVY of Europe, aren't we?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:32 PM
Jan 2013

They have those silly outdoor cafes and museums and stuff.

We have FREEDOM and violence and death! Who wouldn't want to be like US???

indepat

(20,899 posts)
9. These are but small prices a right-wing-soused society willingly pays for the right to pack
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 07:59 PM
Jan 2013

AR-15s on their hips: to wit, in a right-wing-soused society, one's right to pack heat trumps others' right to life, liberty, and happiness.

Response to indepat (Reply #9)

Response to JaneyVee (Reply #14)

Response to Skittles (Reply #18)

snort

(2,334 posts)
74. Listen up!
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:31 PM
Jan 2013

Death machines are okay because you do not know everything about them. Get that? That is the argument. Stupid, isn't it? I would suggest before driving a car you should become a certified Master Mechanic. Makes sense, doesn't it?

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
17. It's about time the networks started doing this...
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:34 PM
Jan 2013

During the Vietnam war they reported the deaths and new totals daily...it made a big difference and eroded ever more support for the war.

NoPasaran

(17,291 posts)
20. I hear this often, but that's really not the way I remember it
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:47 PM
Jan 2013

I believe the Pentagon issued a weekly casualty list and that's what the networks reported.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
21. I think in the early years
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 08:54 PM
Jan 2013

they did it that way...but I seem to remember it being daily as the war dragged on. If you recall, the nightly news was full of horrific scenes coming from inside Vietnam. Even a weekly report would do much to move this debate forward.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
30. I remember reports of how many bombers were shot down that day
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:23 PM
Jan 2013

Somehow I don't remember all that ghastly video. I was quite young. Maybe it is a repressed memory.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
45. I'm 65...
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jan 2013

I can remember thinking, in 1963, that I was glad the war would be over by the time my younger brother would be old enough to serve. He was killed in Binh Long Province in June of 1969...and the war dragged on and on and on.

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
66. I am so sorry.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:01 PM
Jan 2013

There is so much to be said about that colossal mistake. I think I will leave that for some other time.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
70. Thank you.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:06 PM
Jan 2013

I read "America's Stolen Narrative" last week...I now loathe Nixon even more than I did before. If I believed in hell, I would wish him into the hottest corner.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
53. Well. Please explain.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jan 2013

The war war a poorly concieved poorly executed excursion. What exactly are the networks 'exposing'?

A bunch of poorly trained gun owners? Poor firearms legislation? Poor atf oversight?

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
61. What don't you understand?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jan 2013

That people who live in rural America have no idea of how many people are killed daily by guns? That if everyone knew, had it held up to their faces on a daily basis, they would begin to understand that changes need to be made? Most people do not want to confiscate guns from law abiding, sane citizens, they just want to find ways to make it much harder for the criminals and crazies to get guns.

This nonsense about the second amendment wasn't an issue until the crazies took over the NRA in 1977. It is a tool for the gun manufacturers, who really don't give a shit how many innocent people, including hundreds of children, are killed every year. Just like the oil & coal companies don't care what fossil fuels are doing to the planet and the health insurance and healthcare industries don't care about anything other than their profits.

I think most Americans are decent people, who would strongly support efforts to curtail gun violence if faced with the evidence.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
79. Ah. I see. Gun violence and crime needs to be exposed for the evil that it is.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:01 PM
Jan 2013

And television will explain that to the poor unenlightened rural people.

Sekhmets Daughter

(7,515 posts)
80. Now you are being ridiculous.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:25 PM
Jan 2013

Why do you think Bush I banned the press from being at Dover AFB when the flag draped coffins arrived? A policy that wasn't reversed until Obama took office. It is the constant reminder of the realities of gun violence that need to be hammered home...and not to just rural Americans, although they see much less of it than people who live in or around large cities.

No one, certainly not I, said that rural Americans are unenlightened. However, gun violence is not part of their nightly news cast like it is here. I think because most people living in rural America don't receive a daily dose of gun violence, they can't appreciate how pervasive the problem has become. I also think we have a lot of suburban people, particularly those living in "high rent' communities who aren't as aware as they should be. I transitioned from 'rural Americans' to 'everyone', was that too subtle for you?

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
24. Today? Considering how many armed conflicts are active in the world right now...
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jan 2013

...that seems a bit low.

Unless you mean that this is for one state or country or whatever.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
28. I wonder how low you'd think it was if you'd been one of the victims.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:23 PM
Jan 2013

There s/b zero gun-related DEATHS.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
32. Pardon me?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:25 PM
Jan 2013

I was simply clarifying the question...

Why the implication that I feel that this is any more or any less tragic had I been one of the victims?

Robb

(39,665 posts)
44. "Firearm injury in the United States has averaged 32,300 deaths annually between 1980 and 2007."
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jan 2013

"While the ratio varies, there are an average of five nonfatal firearm injuries for every two firearm deaths."

An average number of people getting shot would be 221, with 88 of them dying from it.

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/resourcebook/pdf/monograph.pdf

Bake

(21,977 posts)
71. I would think ANY shooting would be "gun-related."
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:08 PM
Jan 2013

What does that number include? How many were law-enforcement related? How many were suicides?

The raw number tells us very damn little, and going crazy over it makes no sense.

Bake

 

Cynicus Emeritus

(172 posts)
29. How many victims of gun violence per day produced from Hollywood?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:23 PM
Jan 2013

How much violence do the networks and Hollywood portray annually in their TV shows, movies and video games? It isn't just what comes out of their studios. It is how many per day on every channel and in every theater, in every venue, in locations throughout the country 1000-10000-100,000? It's amounts to one hxll of a lot of bad influence on vulnerable people.

Everyone of these orchestrated pretend deaths hard wires some of the people to look at violence as their way of life. The media is outrageously hypocritical on gun violence as they use it to profit in their movies, TV shows and as they also hype tragic news events. The media is a prime player in gun violence and the media elites pretend to oppose it.

 

MightyMopar

(735 posts)
34. Other countries watch the same films but have less guns and gun deaths
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jan 2013

The problem is the easy access to guns in America.

 

Cynicus Emeritus

(172 posts)
63. Sorry - other countries are not immersed in the same TV and Hollywood
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:55 PM
Jan 2013

as is shown in the USA. British TV for example doesn't have the violence that is portrayed on our present day cable and networks.

The entertainment industry is a primary causal factor in gun violence. They've always been able to influence the common folk and puppets but mostly in a negative way, just as their PR arm convinced women that it was cool to smoke (i.e. kill themselves) in the earlier part of the 20th century. If Hollywood was interested in positively influencing society they easily could do it by making drugs and violence un-cool. They don't because they put $$$$ first.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_and_smoking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torches_of_Freedom

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
73. Have you seen some of the things
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:29 PM
Jan 2013

they show on TV and at the movie theaters in Japan? And yet they don't have a problem with 203 people getting shot per day.

It's the easy access to guns that is the problem. Pretending that it is anything else is to blindly ignore reality.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
54. Movies and Video Games don't kill people. Guns kill people.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:45 PM
Jan 2013

Easy access to guns is the problem.

In places like Australia with strong gun laws they see all the same TV shows, movies and play the same video games. The death toll doesn't even come close.

It's the uncontrolled guns.

We should not repeat ridiculous NRA talking points.

hatrack

(59,446 posts)
75. When Warner Brothers starts handing out free Glocks & ammo in the lobby, you'll have a point
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:36 PM
Jan 2013

Until then, can't you try and come up with something we haven't heard for 35 years already?

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
56. At a rate of 203 a day, for 365 days?
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:46 PM
Jan 2013

That's 74,095 a year. Which is, apparently, about "normal". (I checked; fatal, non-fatal, deliberate and accidental shootings in the USA? About seventy-five thousand per year.)

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
59. Wow. What is the reality here? Questions, questions, questions....
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:51 PM
Jan 2013

Is that 203 today, or to date this year?

How many were accidents?

How many were suicides?

How many were in self-defense?

How many were cold-blooded murders?

How many were gang-related?

How many were with "assault-rifles?"

If we passed a law against assault and murder then...oh, wait, we have those laws.

Well, if we banned gun x, y or z, would the number, where ever it came from, be less?

Can we count on criminals to obey new gun laws, turning in "bad" guns, if necessary?

Will disarming law-abiding citizens do anything to the gun death rampages in Chicago or DC?

Or elsewhere?

Or anywhere?

Inquiring minds want to know.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
64. Just the number of people shot (not killed)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:57 PM
Jan 2013

Brian Willams on NBC News just threw out the number. Some were fatalities and I'm sure some were other, but its just a broad number of "shootings" in a day.

They did mention that year to date, Chicago has had more than 40 murders.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
65. Here's a picture of 200-odd people doing yoga in Times Square.
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 09:59 PM
Jan 2013


Now, imagine they all got shot today.

That's a lot, friends.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
68. Think how high the number MIGHT have been...
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:04 PM
Jan 2013

...had there not been people waving their firearms at thugs threateningly in wholly unverifiable yet amazingly high numbers!

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
69. Love me some propaganda. 75,000/yr and 300 million people
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:05 PM
Jan 2013

Works out to what percent of the population?

But hey, we have a 24x7x365 news station with not much to cover so let's keep hawking on guns (or whatever the shiny object people are looking at this week).

It works too. People gasp! Oh my goodness, look at those numbers. 204 people in a day is so many.

Automobiles kill 117 Americans a day and we are not even talking about injuries or general accidents (not to mention pollution which leads to diseases and such). And we regulate the hell out of cars.

One could go on and on, but people soak up news that bolsters their ideals and there are plenty of peddlers of it to help them in their bubble (see last election....).

Oh and did those 203 count people our government shot or was there any mention of the drones you and I are paying for that kill more kids and innocent people all the time? Oh.....that is not a crime because we all chip in for it and we all own those weapons together. I was wondering why the news was not all over that (or du for that matter).

Back to focusing on our citizens.

neverforget

(9,434 posts)
72. If your defense is what percentage of the US population died today,
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 10:22 PM
Jan 2013

you really need to some reflection as to what is important.

Ilsa

(61,676 posts)
83. Make that 204. Milestone just posted that some dude
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:33 PM
Jan 2013

Packing heat at the Indra cafe in Eugene Oregon accidentally shot himself while in the bathroom.

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