Fri Feb 8, 2013, 12:58 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
How the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act was passed
This thread shows how devious and un-American this Postal Act was passed.
Part 1: HR 22 January 4, 2005 – February 9, 2006 *failed* It seems this bill has been in the works for years. Where we can catch-up to it is in the 109th Congress (2005-2006). On January 4, 2005, HR 22, the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act was introduced by Rep John McHugh (R-NY23). It came out of committee on April 13, 2005. There were 163 cosponsors of the bill: 104 Democrats, 58 Republicans, and 1 independent. Well-known Democrats and Independents (just one) were part of the cosponsor list. It passed the House on Jul 26, 2005. The vote was 410 to 20 – quite the bipartisan vote. Then on February 9, 2006, the Senate passed the bill. I am not sure how they passed the bill, as there was not a recorded vote. Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act:
Senate passed H.R. 22, to reform the postal laws of the United States, after striking all after the enacting clause and inserting in lieu thereof, the text of S. 662, Senate companion measure, after agreeing to the committee amendment in the nature of a substitute, and the following amendments proposed thereto: Pages S898-S943 http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2006-02-09/html/CREC-2006-02-09-pt1-PgD73.htm It is also important to note that the ‘pre-funding of the Postal Service Retiree Health Benefit Fund (Title VIII, Section 8909a) in the above bill (HR 22) did not have the precise dollar amount payment schedule (e.g. ‘$5.4B not later than Sept 30, 2007’ that the enacted bill has). Instead, there were formulas. HR 22 died after the Senate passed the bill with changes. Link to the above info: HR 22
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr22 Link to HR 22 (search ‘8909’ to find funding formula in Title VIII) http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr22/text Part 2: HR 6407 December 7, 2006 – December 20, 2006 *passed* The House On December 7, 2006, HR 6407, the Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act was introduced to the House by Congressman Tom Davis (R-VA). There were three sponsors, two Democrats and one Republican. This version of the bill contained the precise dollar amounts: ``(3)(A) The United States Postal Service shall pay into
such Fund-- ``(i) $5,400,000,000, not later than September 30, 2007; ``(ii) $5,600,000,000, not later than September 30, 2008; ``(iii)$5,400,000,000, not later than September 30, 2009; ``(iv) $5,500,000,000, not later than September 30, 2010; ``(v) $5,500,000,000, not later than September 30, 2011; ``(vi) $5,600,000,000, not later than September 30, 2012; ``(vii)$5,600,000,000, not later than September 30, 2013; `(viii) $5,700,000,000, not later than September 30, 2014; ``(ix) $5,700,000,000, not later than September 30, 2015; and ``(x) $5,800,000,000, not later than September 30, 2016. A computed amount was used after that date. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr6407/text The next day, December 8, 2006, at 10:10pm, HR 6407 was considered under suspension of the rules. Debate lasted till 10:33pm. One Democratic representative, Mr. Davis of Illinois participated in the debate. The debate was nothing but praise for HR 6407. After the debate, the ‘vote’ was taken: The SPEAKER pro tempore. The question is on the motion offered by the
gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Tom Davis) that the House suspend the rules and pass the bill, H.R. 6407, as amended. The question was taken. The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. LaHood). In the opinion of the Chair, two-thirds of those voting have responded in the affirmative. Mr. PENCE. Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays. The yeas and nays were refused. So (two-thirds of those voting having responded in the affirmative) the rules were suspended and the bill, as amended, was passed. A motion to reconsider was laid on the table. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2006-12-08/html/CREC-2006-12-08-pt1-PgH9160-2.htm The vote was only a voice vote. Representative Pence (R-IN) asked for a recorded vote and was denied. The Senate The very next day, December 9, 2012 (actually after midnight, December 8, 2012), the Senate proceeded on HR 6407. Senator Murray (D-WA) was the only Democrat speaking on the bill. From the Congressional Record the bill was passed by unanimous consent: Mr. FRIST. I ask unanimous consent that the bill be read a third time and passed, the motion to reconsider be laid upon the table, and any statements be printed in the RECORD.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without objection, it is so ordered. The bill (H.R. 6407) was ordered to a third reading, was read the third time, and passed. Congressional Record Link http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2006-12-08/html/CREC-2006-12-08-pt2-PgS11821.htm Summary The Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act was passed in less than 48 hours. There were no recorded votes. Republican Congressman Pence asked for the yeas and nays but was denied. Appears Democrats had no objections. The Congressional Record seems to indicate that Minority Leader Reid was on the floor when the Senate passed the bill by unanimous consent. I do know that the ‘prizes’ of this bill were 1) Awesome and valuable Post Office buildings were sold off because of financial losses. They could not just sell off these buildings for no reason – right? 2) The first reduction of services just occurred – no Saturday delivery. This will snowball into increase postal workload and increase delivery times. 3) A cry will go out to ‘privatize’ the Post Office 4) Postal Unions will disappear 5) And, finally, any delivery will eventually cost a small fortune.
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TheProgressive | Feb 2013 | OP |
global1 | Feb 2013 | #1 | |
TheProgressive | Feb 2013 | #2 | |
nadinbrzezinski | Feb 2013 | #3 | |
Sekhmets Daughter | Feb 2013 | #17 | |
Chathamization | Feb 2013 | #23 | |
yortsed snacilbuper | Feb 2013 | #4 | |
magellan | Feb 2013 | #5 | |
TheProgressive | Feb 2013 | #7 | |
magellan | Feb 2013 | #11 | |
TheProgressive | Feb 2013 | #15 | |
magellan | Feb 2013 | #16 | |
leftstreet | Feb 2013 | #6 | |
TheProgressive | Feb 2013 | #9 | |
leftstreet | Feb 2013 | #10 | |
magellan | Feb 2013 | #12 | |
TheProgressive | Feb 2013 | #14 | |
sobenji | Feb 2013 | #8 | |
TheProgressive | Feb 2013 | #13 | |
Gold Metal Flake | Feb 2013 | #18 | |
TheProgressive | Feb 2013 | #19 | |
TheProgressive | Feb 2013 | #20 | |
TheProgressive | Feb 2013 | #21 | |
TheProgressive | Feb 2013 | #22 | |
Post removed | Mar 2013 | #24 | |
uppityperson | Mar 2013 | #25 | |
pinto | Mar 2013 | #26 | |
TheProgressive | Mar 2013 | #27 | |
amycirca75 | Mar 2014 | #28 | |
Hugin | Nov 2014 | #29 |
Response to TheProgressive (Original post)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:03 PM
global1 (24,282 posts)
1. Are You Saying That The Dems Caused This Problem With The USPS Or Am I Not Understanding This.....
post correctly?
My impression up to this point was that this was all done by the Repugs under BushCo. Please help clarify this for me. |
Response to global1 (Reply #1)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:06 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
2. The purpose of this post is to show how the bill was passed.
The evidence shows that everyone, Democrats and Republicans, let
this bill pass without even a recorded vote. The evidence also shows that the Republican majorities in the House and Senate submitted and passed this bill under suspicious proceedings. |
Response to global1 (Reply #1)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:08 PM
nadinbrzezinski (154,021 posts)
3. The house and senate were under republican control.
Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #3)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:33 PM
Sekhmets Daughter (7,515 posts)
17. It is way too easy to blame republicans for this
when there seems to have been little dissent coming from the Dems. For Dems it was all about "protecting" the pensions and for the rethugs, all about eventually privatizing the postal service. Dems should have learned a long, long time ago that rethugs have an entirely corrupt agenda.
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Response to Sekhmets Daughter (Reply #17)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 10:27 PM
Chathamization (1,638 posts)
23. Not only that
but the Democrats could have filibustered this (or the Iraq war resolution) if they wanted. But it seems that only the Republicans use the filibuster much.
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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:12 PM
yortsed snacilbuper (7,939 posts)
4. I wonder how many people that work at the Post Office,
vote for republiKKKans?
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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:13 PM
magellan (13,257 posts)
5. Passed by unanimous consent
Says it all, doesn't it.
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Response to magellan (Reply #5)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:15 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
7. That was the Senate. The Republican House Speaker refused the recorded vote. nt
Response to TheProgressive (Reply #7)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:20 PM
magellan (13,257 posts)
11. Yes, I know
But if unanimous consent means what it says, then not one Senate Dem fought this legislation, right? Never mind they were the minority. They gave their support to this bill. Isn't that what unanimous consent means?
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Response to magellan (Reply #11)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:26 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
15. I was just clarifying that that was how the Senate passed the bill. The House..
was slightly different with a rejected request for the yeas and nays.
But you are correct on how the Senate passed the bill. |
Response to TheProgressive (Reply #15)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:29 PM
magellan (13,257 posts)
16. I getcha.
Thanks.
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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:15 PM
leftstreet (34,837 posts)
6. Democrats - champions of the working classes!
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Response to leftstreet (Reply #6)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:18 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
9. Yes, Democrats are champions of the working class
This thread shows where the original bill was approved by Reps and Dems.
But in the second bill (HR6407), they changed the prefunding requirement to be actual dollar amounts. Here is the question: Did the Republicans dupe the Democrats into thinking nothing was changed in the original bill HR22? One can only guess, however, this is a republican trick. |
Response to TheProgressive (Reply #9)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:20 PM
leftstreet (34,837 posts)
10. A career politician can't be 'duped'
They all wanted this. It's obvious
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Response to leftstreet (Reply #10)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:21 PM
magellan (13,257 posts)
12. That's my reading on it too. n/t
Response to leftstreet (Reply #10)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:23 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
14. I am just presenting the facts...
And wondering why Dems allowed this as well...
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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:17 PM
sobenji (311 posts)
8. That's depressing
When my new whacked out Gov was the only one who tried to get it on the record.
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Response to sobenji (Reply #8)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:22 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
13. Asking for the recorded House vote might have been just a ploy...
Nevertheless, it was rejected by Speaker Pro Tempore Republican Ray LaHood.
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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 01:49 PM
Gold Metal Flake (13,805 posts)
18. Perhaps we could call our Sens and Reps and ask their offices what their vote was.
And then report the responses here, when they can get the info back to us.
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Response to Gold Metal Flake (Reply #18)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 02:55 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
19. That's just it - House/Senate members did not record a vote on this bill..
And it is kind of late to ask how they may have voted...
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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 04:19 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
20. I am hoping this research would cause people to call their House/Senate member
and demand they do some real Postal reform.
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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 06:01 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
21. Kicking in case someone would like to read the history of the Postal bill
I guess this is called a 'shameless self-kick'...
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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)
Fri Feb 8, 2013, 09:14 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
22. I don't know how else to say thanks for my Valentine Heart...So I will do it here.
So thank you very much Valentine giver!
And, now, more opinion.... No left side of the isle talk shows today mentioned the entire story on how this bill got passed. Above all, I seek the truth. I was going to write a scathing Letter to the Editor on how the Republicans forced this thru in 2006. But, as a good progressive, I had to know the truth. My research (from this post) forced me to change my wording. Don't be afraid of the truth. Truth and facts are the power tools to enact change. |
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Response to Post removed (Reply #24)
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:07 PM
uppityperson (115,505 posts)
25. Which WA post offices do you refer to and 29 days means something got lost as 2-5 days is average
Yes, mail gets lost. It always has. Some mail that it. Otherwise, first class letter with tracking has reached me in WA from the east coast in 3 days.
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Response to Post removed (Reply #24)
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:37 PM
pinto (106,886 posts)
26. You seem to hold a basic Libertarian view of the USPS situation. And strongly anti-union.
What's your take on Federal functions and unions in general? Thanks.
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Response to Post removed (Reply #24)
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 02:41 PM
TheProgressive (1,656 posts)
27. Of all the threads in all the forums and groups of all of DU, you choose my thread...
Republicans must be gearing up for another offensive on the Post Office.
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Response to TheProgressive (Original post)
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:20 PM
amycirca75 (1 post)
28. Well it's finally starting to break down
Hi all, Have been a lurker for many years but now I feel compelled to respond to this. It seems our local post office is broken and I've been hearing it's not just ours. Here are some recent local articles:
Jersey Tomato Press is reporting: http://thejerseytomatopress.com/stories/Caldwells-and-Essex-Fells-mail-delivery-problems-reported-by-residents-and-carriers,13837?search_filter=post&town_id=1&sub_type=stories http://thejerseytomatopress.com/stories/Caldwells-and-Essex-Fells-mail-delivery-problems-reported-by-residents-and-carriers,13848?search_filter=post&town_id=1&sub_type=stories http://thejerseytomatopress.com/stories/Anonymous-Postal-employee-tells-JTP-We-are-NOT-slavesread-this-letter,13876 http://nutley.thejerseytomatopress.com/stories/Boston-postal-worker-adds-experience-with-bad-treatment-to-Post-Office-series,13893 |