Gee, thanks so much, MSNBC

[mn9driver]

It's really great that you put all of this information together for us lefties to look at 10 years after the fact. DU will be all atwitter for DAYS while we marvel at the lies and outright crimes that were committed so that a cabal of court appointed neocon freaks could try out their deranged ideas on the people of Iraq. Oh, and to make a shitload of money for GE, too.

Your front page today is filled with hundreds of fascinating stories of great importance to us all, like what it's like to poop in a bag on a cruise ship, or the crisis of Michelle Obama's bangs. These things are important and define us as a nation. But in all of those stories, not a single mention or link to 'Hubris'. Funny, that. Of course, it would be too much to expect the other news corporations to mention anything about a broadcast of such major importance by a competitor and sure enough, there's not a whisper about it on any of their pages.

Oh, if only MSNBC had had a top rated show back in 2002 and 2003 with a powerful host with a huge reputation in the TV business who could have put out this information to a wide audience when it might have mattered. You know, a show to act as a counterweight to Chris Matthews' constant longing for the bulge in the crotch of our chief executive.

Oh, that's right. You DID have a show like that. Hosted by Phil Donahue. It was your number one show. It had higher ratings than Matthews' war masturbation fantasy hour. But Donahue didn't buy the lies and the sales campaign for the war. He pointed out the stinking bullshit funnel that that was being shoved down our throats. And he did this on his widely watched show.

Until you fired him. Your number one show's host. On February 25, 2003. Because he was speaking too much truth to too many people and was becoming a threat to the success of our big fun rush to war.

On second thought, fuck you, MSNBC.

[Berlum]

1. FUMSNBC

nt

[SugarShack]

54. They did have a #1 rated show that covered the Iraq lies.It was called Countdown with Keith Olberman

[ChisolmTrailDem]

2. Yep, just another massive propaganda and diversion machine. eom

[limpyhobbler]

80. +1, I think this every day but didn't realize so many people here agreed.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

87. It's mostly in what they DON'T say or don't report. Also, they are often two or more

days behind DU and the internet on many news items. One can also see the sheer amount of diversionary "news" stories that aren't important to most like the bubble gum celebrity gossip stuff.

My biggest issue is that they NEVER, EVER ask the right questions. They never, ever ask the questions you and I are shouting at the television.

These things are a big tell. Unfortunately, as obfuscatory as MSNBC usually is, it's also our best option for TV "news".

[maddiemom]

104. Nor do they follow up on answers dubious enough to challenge a high school

journalist.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

106. What's most infuriating is that they allow bold-faced lies to hang out there unchallenged. And

one more thing that really gets my goat is they NEVER, EVER correct right-wingers' use of "Democrat Party" while Democratic talking heads always use the proper Republican Party or Tea Party, instead of Rethug (or whatever) Party and Teabbaggers.

[msongs]

3. MSNBC was owned by GE, a major military industrial complex player. follow the $$ nt

[OldDem2012]

43. Don't confuse anyone with actual facts...

...it upsets them to learn that the so-called US Free Press has been a myth for quite some time.

[alp227]

115. and soon to Comcast, another typical establishment corporation. n/t

[City Lights]

4. Well said!

[riverbendviewgal]

5. Nothing like hindsight

who would know that Fox News would dive because they don't tell the truth.


at least we on DU know we were right and we protested, even when so many around us thought we were crazy as batshit.

[AZ Progressive]

6. I'll be honest...

... back then there was this polarization created with the war on terror, this your with us or against us, the president playing the leader and commander in chief, the bloodlust for revenge from 9/11, and with all this fear and emotion with people back then, and with perhaps the business mentality that your supposed to go with the flow rather than stand on principles, that going against the president back then was fearful from a business standpoint.

[mn9driver]

9. Business mentality

This is one of the things that will eventually destroy us. Businesses have no morality and no sense of right and wrong. Human and other kinds of life are simply data points in a cost/benefit analysis.

"From a marketing point of view, you don't introduce new products in August.''
--White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, talking about why going to war with Iraq suddenly became important in September 2002.

[deutsey]

13. +1

[zeemike]

15. +2

[colorado_ufo]

32. Excellent point, excellent memory!

[NoMoreWarNow]

42. also, might be why 9/11 happened in September

they got to market the WaronTerror(TM)!!!

[maddiemom]

105. But corporations ARE people, my friend.

Still shuddering over that near miss.

[PatSeg]

46. Remember what they did to Dan Rather

If they could take down an anchor like Rather, just imagine what they could do to anyone on MSNBC. It was a different time and no one was allowed to tell the truth in the MSM. That is why so many of us ended up turning to places like Democratic Underground for truth and sanity.

[War Horse]

67. Regarding Rather

it was, sadly, of a case of "fake but accurate". He shouldn't have run with those memos, he jumped the gun there.

The content was accurate. He was right. It was a damned shame that it turned out that way. But he should have done better research. But I guess he was pissed off and desperate, since nobody in the MSM even dared to ask any questions.

[PatSeg]

72. True, he shouldn't have run with them

and he did apologize, which was appropriate. Getting fired after more than 25 years at the network was brutal though.

[Whisp]

88. Rather was licking Bush's war boots good.

all decked out with his patriot pin or whatever the hell it was called. Saying shit like we gots to be united and with the President now in these war times...

he's a sleaze like all the others.

[MinneapolisMatt]

7. Great post.

[Hulk Smash]

8. preach on brother!

Back then, Diane Rehm on NPR was the only host I could find who would have on guests to show how much BS the administration was slinging. The American weapons inspector at the time whose name I forget, Scott something, was adamant that there were no weapons of mass destruction, and yet the media continue to stoke the fire for war and gave the traitors Bush and chemey and Rumsfielda pass on everything. it still makes my blood boil. Bastards, all of them, including the media. And fucking Hillary Clinton, who also voted for the war.

[progressoid]

16. Scott Ritter.

In fact, long time DUer Will Pitt co-wrote a book with him.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022388813

I would also listen to Terry Gross on NPR. She was pretty good at shining a light on the bullshit at the time.

[mn9driver]

33. Scott is a bit of a tragic figure

I believe he's currently in prison for online sexual misbehavior during an undercover sting in an internet fantasy chat room. Gross. Sad. Apparently criminal. And of course, it absolutely ensures that his voice on the subject of war lies will never again be given any credibility by the MSM.

[progressoid]

36. I did not know that.

That is sad.

[xxqqqzme]

49. Yes it is

He luncheon speaker a California Democratic Party Executive Board Meeting shortly after the invasion. He said he found it strange that he, a register republican, was invited to speak at a CDP function.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter

[FarPoint]

40. I believe that all was right wing character assignation.

Kill the credibility of the messenger.

[MindPilot]

64. I met Scott Ritter at a book signing just prior to the invasion.

He was scheduled to speak before a Congressional hearing about there being no WMDs, but was entrapped by an FBI agent in an adult chat room just days before the hearing.

[maddiemom]

103. I discovered Diane Rehm belatedly. It was after her throat problems and I was amazed at the common

sense coming out in her rather quavery,elderly sounding voice.

[CrispyQ]

10. Spot on rant.

Fuck MSNBC.

[WCGreen]

11. I just signed on for the day and was going to point that out...

What about Bill Presser, I think he was also shown the door when he became a little anti war...

[mn9driver]

12. Don't know him...

Did you mean Bill Press? The mind boggling thing about Donahue's firing was that he was such a huge name at the time. And he was popular. MSNBC couldn't control his message, fired him, and he never worked another talk show for anyone again.

[WCGreen]

23. Yea, Bill Press...

[beerandjesus]

14. This burger is delicious, but I'm going to bitch about it because I REALLY wanted a burger yesterday

Of course you're right, MSNBC was atrocious when we really needed them. But since we can't change that now, let's note that this special is coming out not only when bastards like John McCain and Lindsey Graham are trying to rehabilitate the public's image of the Iraq war, but also when the same chickenhawk neocons are trying to build momentum for a new war in Iran.

I too wish MSNBC had kept Phil Donahue, that Chris Matthews had been a bit less credulous, and that they had spared us that embarrassing experiment of a show with Michael Wiener. But I'm grateful that as mainstream a media outlet as NBC News (for God's sake) has finally caught up with us... and may even do the country a great service, if they help prevent the next war of choice!

[mn9driver]

20. Prediction:

When the March To War With Iran!® sales campaign officially kicks off, MSNBC will be right there pitching the vital importance of another war.

I hope I'm wrong but not optimistic.

[WCGreen]

25. GE makes a lot of war stuff

[Zen Democrat]

50. GE no longer owns NBC. Comcast does.

[Chico Man]

77. Ever fly in a plane?

You should thank GE.

[WCGreen]

84. I just made a statement....

Meant nothing more than that and it turns out that NBC is no longer owned by GE so it really doesn't matter.

I have one of their Refigerators and it is good.

[snort]

94. We should thank GE?

Are you under the impression that if GE wasn't manufacturing turbines that turbines wouldn't exist or that some other company would not be there to fill the void making jet engines or that GE is the only manufacturer of jet engines on the planet?

Fuck GE and fuck corporate hero worship.

[Chico Man]

95. Don't fly then

Because most likely it is a GE turbine, and by flying you are supporting the corporate culture you so abhore.

[snort]

97. Mmmm, yummy

GE's boots. Num num num.

Thanks for deducing that I abhor 'corporate culture', whatever the fuck that is. Corporate culture? Culture?

How about that, they really are people.

[Chico Man]

98. I know a lot of people at GE

Yes they are people. And they care very much about their work.

[maddiemom]

107. Yeah, I like my plane travel and GE appliances fine. Isn't there some old saw

about how the Nazis had the trains running on time?

[Chico Man]

110. I'm not sure what you mean

Are you saying GE employees are Nazis?

[maddiemom]

111. Nothing to do with the employees, but the corporation. Basically Nazi -like systems are

(no surprise) definitely efficient.

[Chico Man]

112. Sorry

But that kind of view and outlook is not very reality based. Without the employees there is no corporation, so you really cannot separate the two. A corporation is a group of people. That is how it is defined.

I don't see how you can think that GE is run like a Nazi organization.

You do know that Obama appointed Jeff Immelt to the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board? You do know that Immelt is Obama's chairman of his outside panel of economic advisers?

[beerandjesus]

26. I really, really, really hope you're wrong, but wouldn't want to bet against you...

But on the other hand, I just can't feel all that pessimistic with that pic of Paul Wellstone looking at me!

[mn9driver]

38. Yeah, Paul was the real deal.

He was the most intelligent, energetic and principled person I've ever known. Plus, he was even shorter than me. I've always wondered if things might have been different had he lived. I think so. He's one of the reasons I still care what happens to this country.

He and Sheila are buried a couple blocks from my house. We visit from time to time.

[Puzzledtraveller]

69. Uh huh

You can smell what's coming and it doesn't smell like roses.

[JHB]

48. +1

[rhett o rick]

71. It's so much easier to be skeptical in hindsight. Where were they when we needed them?

Where were a lot of people? Kissing George Bush the Dim-Son's ass.

[jaysunb]

17. Matthews was against the war...and said so many times

but he DID permit others to get away w/ lies and bullshit on his show.

[Carolina]

74. but he fawned over Shrub's codpiece

and he is really nothing but a self serving, full of himself tool

[jaysunb]

75. All true, but

he was against the invasion of Iraq, and said so.

[90-percent]

18. Hey, don't forget Keith Olbermann!

Keith was on MSNBC since 2002-3-ish and he DID NOT LET THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING!

I recall Keith called them on their propaganda multiple times and was almost the lone voice in MAIN STREAM MEDIA that was questioning this Iraq clusterfuck before it even started.

Keith carried on with what Phil Donahue started and deserves recognition for a very brave stance for a bona-fide MSM TV journalist!

-90% Jimmy

[mn9driver]

22. We invaded Iraq on March19, 2003. Olbermann first appeared on March 31.

For the first couple of years, Countdown was just a news show. Keith didn't really start throwing the bullshit flag until around 2005.

[PatSeg]

47. I first started paying attention to Keith

when he questioned the 2004 election results in Ohio. He very cautiously ventured into left-wing territory and when MSNBC saw that was what people wanted to hear, he was given more and more leeway. You're right, he was pretty mainstream and dull in the beginning. Made up for it later though.

[Hissyspit]

62. But he was doing a great job and they fired him, too.

[Liberal In Red State]

24. Agreed . . . I miss Keith . . . Wish he could find a home . . . We need his voice to be heard again.

[Liberal In Red State]

19. Would love to hear Tom Brokaw rationalize away the stains caused by HUBRIS - the gravitas that

He and other so called journalist brought to the debates leading up to the war were ridiculous. HUBRIS will be pushed aside and become the reesponsiblity of the next generation to realize that the press failed utterly in its responsibility to the American public. They were more than just embedded with the Bush Administration and the Military. . . . they were its Cheerleaders! I have often believed it was because this generation of so called journalists had not experienced a war and want to add that to their portfolio of accomplishments. It is hard to believe that in less than a span of 40 years we went from a dogged press that took down a president to a press that became complicite and used by an administration and president to go to war.

[90-percent]

21. One other point

The biggest war protests in the history of the universe took place in both Europe and the states in the run up to the war. Of course, the protests were unreported in the USA and therefore it's as if they never happened.

I went to the first anti-war protest of my life in Jan 2003 in a very cold Washington DC. Ramsey Clark, Jesse Jackson, Rev. Al and many others spoke there.

If the PNAC'ers torch up a war with Iran, we'll all just have to just make bigger protests next time!

-90% jimmy

[Webster Green]

56. Indeed.

Ten years ago, I spent a week in the streets of San Francisco, with hundreds of thousands of other protesters. We shut down Market Street on the day of the invasion. Many were arrested. I came real close, but got out of the net.

None of it made any difference whatsoever.

[Dustlawyer]

27. It is always going to be the money!

There was a lot to be made in oil and weapons, vehicles, and other Govt contractors. Where did all of these contractors come from! They took over soldiers jobs so now more companies can feed off of the war and the Govt teat! Everything now in Govt is open for business as long as we allow our politicians to be bribed w/campaign cash! The whole system is fucked up!

[Uncle Joe]

28. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, mn9driver.

[renate]

29. I would say FU, MSNBC of 2003

And, with a few exceptions like Joe Scarborough, to MSNBC of the 2010s for its current roster.

[alp227]

116. Yeah, I think while it's great that MSNBC has woken up,

it's important to remember the past in order not to forget.

[stonecutter357]

30. K&R

fu you, MSNBC.

[Jennicut]

31. MSNBC did not become progressive until 2005.

When KO moved them to the left. And powers that be went with it because it slowly became profitable to be a counter to Faux. And CNN became very dull. Don't rely on corporate media for anything. If Rachel's ratings were not getting better would she be one of their stars?

[Stinky The Clown]

34. MSNBC: Worse Than Fox

[dreamnightwind]

86. Uh, no

Were you being sarcastic?

[Stinky The Clown]

89. No, no sarcasm whatsoever.

Fox Nooz is just what it appears to be . . . a hard right operation spewing simplistic jingoism and propaganda to simple minded non thinkers.

MSNBC, when it turned left, *appeared* to be liberal and hired a whole raft of liberal personalities. The personalities are probably genuine in their left lean, but every single one of them gloss over stories, or shade them, to suit the suits.

I have been saying this for years.

[dreamnightwind]

93. OK, can't agree with that

though I do believe they're more part of the partisan divide-and-conquer than part of the real solution.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

35. Well said.

They all folded like cheap lawn chairs because they didn't want to be seen as being in any way against a righteous war of retribution against the Evildoers who castrated America's image as Number One with boxcutters - notwithstanding that the war was fought against the wrong bunch of Evildoers. Still, they had to fight somebody, and nasty old Saddam Hussein was a nice fat target. But God help you ("you" being a major media person) if you said in public that you didn't think he did it, or you didn't think he had WMDs, or that invading Iraq was a bad idea that would lead to all sorts of unintended disasters. Donohue stuck his neck out and the bosses lopped his head off.

[MotherPetrie]

37. K&R, but let's not stop there

The criminals are still walking around free. They never have and never will face a single consequence for what they did. That's not MSNBC's fault.

[moondust]

39. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

I'm surprised Comcast allowed the making and airing of "Hubris." In prime time no less. They could have buried it in with the weekend prison shows. That's more than you'll get from Fox or CNN. It's something, better than nothing, and not bad for a measly one hour.

[Jamaal510]

45. +1

Besides Current, MSNBC is like the closest thing that we have to a progressive network.

[MFM008]

41. im afraid

few people I knew took old Phil seriously, he was just to identified with Jerry Springerism. I didnt start watching MSNBC until I remember Keith Olbermann being on the air reporting the war coverage.

[harmonicon]

44. I can't believe anyone takes cable "news" seriously.

It's so clearly a joke.

[Zen Democrat]

52. In addition to the network news, which no one should take seriously either.

Or the NYTimes, which was led around by the tail by Judy Miller.

[harmonicon]

70. Oh, yeah, that goes without saying.

There are so few real newspapers left, it's ridiculous. I have no idea why anyone still respects the New York Times.

I do think Al Jazeera and the BBC are at least both attempting to engage in journalism, though bias can clearly be observed in both. However, those aren't the networks usually meant when people as "cable news." I wonder if we'll have to come up with a new word to means what "news" used to mean...

[ecstatic]

51. I think airing Hubris was a good thing. I get the impression

that they don't make programming and employment decisions based on money, ratings, or politics. The network appears to be someone's part time hobby but it just works out that we have an alternative to FOX (sometimes).

That being said, let's not beat them up. They did their part (this time) by airing Hubris. If the rest of the media and Americans opt to ignore or shrug it off, what can they do? It's not their fault that Americans excuse illegal wars.

[Solly Mack]

53. K&R

[gateley]

55. They did a good job promoting it, then *crickets*.

Infuriating!

I've discovered there is a lot of info out there about this dating back to "then" -- people just didn't and don't care.

They've got more evidence now (Rumsfeld's meeting notes, e.g.) and now the time is ripe. I'm praying for a YouTube vid that will go VIRAL so it can't be ignored.

A fear I have is that if it does receive a lot of attention, and the Dems don't rally and organize, the Republicans will come out demanding justice be meted out! Truly divorcing themselves from the Bush administration and giving them the opportunity to cry "why hasn't the Obama administration done something about this?"



ETA: So much for Rachel's "heads will explode".

[mn9driver]

57. ^This^

Exactly.

[Liberal In Red State]

58. We need to get Carter's Grandson on this . . . Maybe he can find a video that will blow this

Wide open so that public can't ignore it! More incriminating evidence is out there . . . People love to keep things so they can write books after they leave public office . . .

[gateley]

60. dixiegrrrrl posted a like - there's a YouTube video of the entire piece!

Let's make it go viral!

I bet Carter's grandson is on it.

Soooooooo disappointed in MSNBC today!

[ecstatic]

59. But isn't it our job to make a stink about it?

I wish the media would do more, but this isn't new. The only time the media reports on serious issues is when we make them.

[gateley]

61. We've been making a stink about it for years. I'm hoping the YouTube video will make it impossible

to ignore. I'm going to send it to the Networks and my local stations and demand to know why they aren't addressing this.

If enough of us do that...maybe?

[DearHeart]

63. Wow! Everything I've been thinking, especially in regards to Bush's number one cheerleader!

Chris Matthews was such a suck-up, ass-kisser to the Bush administration...still pisses me off to this day! I wish they had fired him instead of Donohue. So many people who spoke the truth, or tried to speak the truth, ending up on the shitpile! While the sycophants had no problem and are still on the air!

[limpyhobbler]

81. me too. I want to find the video of tweety gushing over Bush in the flight suit.

But I can't find it on youtube.

I think they scrubbed it away somehow.

[DearHeart]

113. I've tried to find it also, but it's been scrubbed everywhere.

How powerful do you have to be to get a video scrubbed from all of the internet??

[limpyhobbler]

114. Tweety must have pull. n/t

[YOHABLO]

65. Donahue had a top rated show .. yet they fired him.

I also read that Matthews wanted him gone as well, or he would not commit to headlining a show. Matthews had to be the top dog on MSNBC. (that's documented folks) Perhaps the best that can come out of Maddow's piece, is that it keeps the story alive. Especially for those who were not paying attention back in those days and the fervor of war was in the air; and like zombies, the public just went along with the lies. I have come to realize there are only a small percentage of the public that are paying attention at any given time. Most are too busy with their ''extracurricular activities''; and it's all been designed that way hasn't it? There is nothing we can do now for those who have died in these wars. No one will be prosecuted, no jail time, and god only knows how this will be presented in our public school's history books. Perhaps more than anything else, the loss of life is what is so tragic about ignorance and blind patriotism. The lives that were taken because of the evil that lurks in the powers that be to obtain wealth. Never question, just do what you are told, is how we live today. I wonder how the right will respond to Maddow's piece? I fear to ask the question.

[MrMickeysMom]

90. Amazing... egos continue to be mistaken for talent...

They've all but a few lost their moral compass about the "fifth estate".

What in the world is "the news" about, America?

[War Horse]

66. Been thinking the same thing,

well said.

[Roland99]

68. Ashleigh Banfield got fired, too, for being too critical of the war.

[Carolina]

73. K&R

[Buzz Clik]

76. "Dear MSNBC: I chose to be an ignorant twit 10 years ago. Now I'm mad."

mn9driver, you should be mad at yourself.

Much of this was known 10 years, and nearly all of it was reveal one piece at a time by Olbermann, Maddow, and others. If you chose to ignore the information, blame no one but yourself.

[mn9driver]

82. Huh?

I have no idea how you got that from the OP.

[mimi85]

85. Gotta agree

and folks like Olbermann and Cenk have no one to blame but themselves as well. Actually, I think KO was offered the Chris Hayes deal, but apparently thought it beneath him. And Cenk thought he was more important than the subject matter - I couldn't stand his show. He was/is a DINO anyway. I don't miss either one. I enjoyed Hubris last night - some good stories tonight.

MSNBC is far from perfect, but they're a hell of a lot better than the rest.

[John1956PA]

101. I don't think mn9driver was ever deceived by MSNBC's soft-pedaling of skepticism for invading.

Maybe Buzz Clik is engaging in sarcasm by posting that mn9driver should have known better all along.

I am sure that mn9driver understood back in 2002 and 2003 that the Bush administration was offering trumped-up justifications for invading Iraq. Back then, there were critics of the plan to invade. Some of those critics looked skeptically at the evidence proffered by the Bush administration, such as the satellite images which supposedly showed implements of weapons of mass destruction.

In the OP, ms9driver is pointing out that the citizens' need for facts in the debate to start the war could have been better served by allowing Phil Donahue's show to remain on its schedule.

Great OP, mn9driver.

[limpyhobbler]

78. LOL You got it right.

The sad thing is they are still at the same corporate news game, still ignoring many major issues of the day because they aren't allowed to offend too much against the Wall St. Banks, the oil companies, the defense/security industry. SSDD

[Chico Man]

79. And you all are surprised the media sucks?

Taking advantage of wars and elections?

BIG surprise.

[watoos]

83. People who tell the truth

don't last long.
Keith Olbermann
Cenk Unygur
Dylan Ratigan

As I wrote before, 6 multi-national corporations control all the media, including MSNBC.

[MrMickeysMom]

91. Recommended, for sure...

You can extend that comment to newsrooms everywhere.... certainly local ones. These folks are a bunch of puppets.

I love the print media for my news, even when watching Current TV, which I think is the best bet for political news front stuff. It's certainly smarter than MSNBC's format (aside from what Maddow seems to do most of the time... she and the Ed Show are worth it).

[BlueStreak]

92. Thanks for that reminder. I had totally forgotten.

MSNBC is at best a lesser of evils, and a very undependable one. What we know for certain is that there are lines they will never cross. For example, not telling the truth about the Iraq war for the first 10 years.

[colsohlibgal]

96. Yep, Tragically A Bit Late

As I recall MSNBC even bent on the name of their coverage to what Dubya's cabal wanted, "Operation Iraqi Freedom" or some misleading nonsense like that.

Oh, and Tweety does indeed still have a lot of making up to do for his drooling schoolgirl crush/ get a room fawning over Bush's fake aircraft carrier victory landing.

If only MSNBC's foresight had been 20/20 like their hindsight.

[yoyossarian]

99. K&R!...and meanwhile, ten years later...

...back at the ranch, W's still hard at work clearin' all the ding-dang brickle-brush...



I found nothing very amazing about Hubris. Nearly ALL that stuff was well-documented on the pages of this very site, and Kos and the like.
I do love that we finally have some sort of leftist media operating and giving a voice and a lotta validation to leftist views... but still, sadly,
there's no question that justice delayed is justice denied.
Yet still I hope, pray, long for a bright new future, somehow, someday...

[spicegal]

100. Really? This is the kind of stuff that starts to irk me about liberals/progressives, and I'm one.

Be thankful we have MSNBC. It was barely on the radar screen on 9/11, and didn't really get up and running until the mid 2000's. The Iraq War started in 2003. But thank goodness we now have a more progressive voice in broadcast media, one that is finally catching on. There have been any number of expose's on the hubris and lies that got us into the war. I watched the TRMS program Monday night, which was right on the heels of watching The Hurt Locker. It rekindled my anger about the war, but it certainly wasn't new information. The entire country is to blame to some extent, but certainly the media for not pushing back more, and members of Congress. Although am not so sure any of that would have stopped the neocons and Bush administration from launching their war.

[Cooley Hurd]

102. Jerry Nachman (Conservative) was the Editor-in-Chief of MSNBC at the time.

...back then, there was NOTHING Liberal about MSNBC besides Phil Donohue (at this point, KO had come and gone and had yet to come back again). Nachman hired him to get ratings - he did, but but Nachman and his overlords (GE) had a bigger investment to be concerned about.... defense contracts. To protect this investment, they agreed to push the War (see Ashleigh Banfield's speech).

Needless to say, Nachman's long dead and there's new management at MSNBC. If you want to give the new management hell over what the old boss did, so be it. But, I think it's unfair...

(On edit - I rarely do this, but I've turned my post into an OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022402451 )

[Gregorian]

109. Exactly what I was thinking as i watched it.

There is good reason to be angry. Thank you for speaking what I only thought.

[wildbilln864]

117. k & r! nt

[Trueblue1968]

118. Fire Chuck Toad and Andrea Mitchell. Hire JON STEWART & KATIE PORTER.