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Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:15 PM

 

Will Pope Francis change the Church for the better? The acid test:

Does he release the 300+ page "secret" report detailing corruption, blackmail, and the existence of a "Velvet Mafia" at the Vatican?

If he does, and releases it with little or no redaction, then this signals that Francis is serious about cleaning up the Church.

If he doesn't, or issues a heavily redacted version, then he is signaling business as usual in Rome.



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Reply Will Pope Francis change the Church for the better? The acid test: (Original post)
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 OP
Bake Mar 2013 #1
ananda Mar 2013 #3
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #7
southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #2
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #8
southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #11
n2doc Mar 2013 #4
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #9
Rider3 Mar 2013 #5
Kelvin Mace Mar 2013 #6
Whisp Mar 2013 #10

Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:20 PM

1. My money is on "business as usual."

Nothing will change.

Bake

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Response to Bake (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:21 PM

3. Old guard.

More of the same: anti-gay, anti-woman, anti peace activism, anti =-intellectual liberal clerics and nuns.

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Response to ananda (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:20 PM

7. But, to his credit,

 

he does seem to care about the poor, and he is not into the glamor of the Church.

I always give people their due.

All of your other criticisms are true enough. But, if he at least cleans house and genuinely moves toward transparency/accountability, then that is a tiny bit of progress.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:20 PM

2. It would be nice if he makes positive changes yet if he goes to far who knows he might

 

die of an unknown illness he got all of a sudden. Remember John Paul the first who wanted to make changes for the better but somehow he died.

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Response to southernyankeebelle (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:21 PM

8. Yes, I have read the theories

 

Certainly a curious circumstance. That is why publishing the report and coming clean is important.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 03:52 PM

11. Yes, it will go far and I am sure if that happens many will come back to the church.

 

We must see true change for the better.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:26 PM

4. No way it gets released

He doesn't want a shitstorm. He will probably, if serious about reform, handle it internally. Watch for a lot of 'retirements' if he does. The Church is far too secretive to open itself up in this way.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #4)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:22 PM

9. And I am inclined to agree

 

I simply point out that releasing the report would be a very positive step forward.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 01:54 PM

5. The last thing the Church wants to do is change

Believe me, they chose someone who will walk their line.

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Response to Rider3 (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:16 PM

6. Again, that report is they key indicator

 

Once you make the guy Pope, kind of hard to rein him in if he decides to clean up.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #6)

Thu Mar 14, 2013, 02:23 PM

10. A Rogue Pope would be awesome. n/t

 

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