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Tue Mar 19, 2013, 01:06 PM

They Got Away With It.



(and not just them)














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Reply They Got Away With It. (Original post)
Solly Mack Mar 2013 OP
TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #1
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #4
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2013 #11
11 Bravo Mar 2013 #15
Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #19
Liberal Jesus Freak Mar 2013 #46
11 Bravo Mar 2013 #70
blm Mar 2013 #126
AndyA Mar 2013 #56
lastlib Mar 2013 #122
SaveAmerica Mar 2013 #73
nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #108
TwilightGardener Mar 2013 #17
AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #50
alterfurz Mar 2013 #90
Puzzledtraveller Mar 2013 #2
CrispyQ Mar 2013 #3
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #6
Initech Mar 2013 #9
markpkessinger Mar 2013 #96
Zorra Mar 2013 #5
WillyT Mar 2013 #7
Scuba Mar 2013 #8
tularetom Mar 2013 #10
LittleBlue Mar 2013 #12
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #24
LittleBlue Mar 2013 #25
sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #34
JDPriestly Mar 2013 #54
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #60
dixiegrrrrl Mar 2013 #104
midnight Mar 2013 #120
Wolf Frankula Mar 2013 #13
truebluegreen Mar 2013 #23
xtraxritical Mar 2013 #107
OnyxCollie Mar 2013 #14
reformist2 Mar 2013 #16
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #29
RC Mar 2013 #67
Scootaloo Mar 2013 #113
AikidoSoul Mar 2013 #130
ProSense Mar 2013 #18
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #26
Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #20
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #31
Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #21
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #28
cactusfractal Mar 2013 #22
Lobo27 Mar 2013 #27
sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #37
cpwm17 Mar 2013 #51
dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #114
cpwm17 Mar 2013 #119
dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #129
nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #110
Little Star Mar 2013 #30
Rex Mar 2013 #32
sabrina 1 Mar 2013 #40
Rex Mar 2013 #43
Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #112
Rex Mar 2013 #128
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #47
Rex Mar 2013 #58
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #61
Rex Mar 2013 #62
HughBeaumont Mar 2013 #33
ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #35
jerfro Mar 2013 #36
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #39
Milliesmom Mar 2013 #38
jerfro Mar 2013 #42
Fumesucker Mar 2013 #41
SamKnause Mar 2013 #44
Shankapotomus Mar 2013 #45
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #69
Cleita Mar 2013 #48
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #49
Arugula Latte Mar 2013 #57
treestar Mar 2013 #78
Octafish Mar 2013 #52
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #64
brer cat Mar 2013 #53
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #63
madamesilverspurs Mar 2013 #55
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #65
First Speaker Mar 2013 #59
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #68
cbrer Mar 2013 #66
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #86
UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #71
KauaiK Mar 2013 #72
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #93
Ilsa Mar 2013 #74
KoKo Mar 2013 #75
Ichingcarpenter Mar 2013 #76
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #83
malaise Mar 2013 #77
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #82
malaise Mar 2013 #85
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #87
malaise Mar 2013 #88
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #89
malaise Mar 2013 #91
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #94
malaise Mar 2013 #97
redstatebluegirl Mar 2013 #79
idwiyo Mar 2013 #80
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #81
idwiyo Mar 2013 #84
hue Mar 2013 #92
colorado_ufo Mar 2013 #95
colorado_ufo Mar 2013 #98
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #99
Brigid Mar 2013 #100
april rain Mar 2013 #101
KoKo Mar 2013 #102
blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #103
spanone Mar 2013 #105
ReRe Mar 2013 #106
upi402 Mar 2013 #109
jsr Mar 2013 #111
Gabby Hayes Mar 2013 #115
Solly Mack Mar 2013 #121
Bonobo Mar 2013 #116
Madmiddle Mar 2013 #117
samplegirl Mar 2013 #118
xiamiam Mar 2013 #123
lolly Mar 2013 #124
ellie Mar 2013 #125
Berlum Mar 2013 #127

Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 01:13 PM

1. One thing I've noticed about BushCo: They were very into making portraits

and photo ops of themselves looking badass, for posterity. Remember the one of Bush, Cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld walking down a dusty gravel road in dress clothes? Weird propaganda, and the media ate it up (not even mentioning Mission Accomplished)--we should have all been warned that they were "creating their own reality", just like PNAC said.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 01:15 PM

4. I remember that photo.

Fuckers.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:11 PM

11. you mean this cover?



I think this book was the basis for Rachel Maddow's expose.


Don't they look so damn pleased with themselves

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:17 PM

15. To this day I can't look at that lying, bow-legged, fake-cowboy, chickenhawk, pig-fucker without ...

wanting to kick him squarely in the balls.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:20 PM

19. summed it up nicely...nt

 

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:54 PM

46. I'm not sure I could be as nice as you.

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Response to Liberal Jesus Freak (Reply #46)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:22 PM

70. What can I say? I'm trying to work on my people skills.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #70)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 12:58 PM

126. heheh

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:14 PM

56. Really, you shouldn't be so nice when you refer to him

It's OK to just let it all out and say what you think, you're among friends.

(The Bush family picture with the big Prez wearing $40,000 cowboy boots really unnerves me.)

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Response to AndyA (Reply #56)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 10:23 AM

122. If we said what we REALLY thought, the Secret Service guys would be coming to visit...

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:03 PM

73. 'like'

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:39 AM

108. Oh, come on, Bravo, tell us how you really feel!

while I ROFL in agreement

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:18 PM

17. That's it. Yeah, they're all just out for a stroll on a lonely Texas backroad...

in blazers.

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 03:22 PM

50. "the media ate it up" -- They say that Operation Mockingbird was discontinued. Maybe it wasn't.

 

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Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:21 PM

90. Here's the portrait DuhBya will be remembered by

Mosaic of the Lost

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 01:15 PM

2. and "we" are getting away with it still n/t

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 01:15 PM

3. We must look forward, not back.



k&r

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 01:19 PM

6. I always think "Forward to what? It happening again?"

Another President lying to start a war? Another President deciding torture isn't torture? Another enabling Congress?

Yay, us!

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 01:33 PM

9. The War Machine has been beating the Iran drums for some time.

And we can't let them get away with bombing and profiting again - which is the only thing Iraq and Afghanistan have accomplished. Bombing, profiteering, and lots of dead people.

What's the quote? Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it?

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:39 PM

96. As I have said many times over the last four years . . .

When we refuse to grapple with the past, we ensure that we will remain mired in it.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 01:19 PM

5. K&R nt

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 01:22 PM

7. K & R !!!

 






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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 01:24 PM

8. Indeed...

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:02 PM

10. I thought to myself "boy, Bush really looks like Butthead" and then I remembered this

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:14 PM

12. They should be tried at the ICC like the war criminals before them.

 

But that will never happen.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:25 PM

24. The United States is not a member the International Criminal Court.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:27 PM

25. I know, it's a tragedy

 

that we won't sign it, knowing that our leaders might have to obey rules they enforced on others.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:38 PM

34. We used to be. Bush removed us from the ICC before the Iraq War. I remember

thinking that this was a sign of a premeditated crime. They knew they were going to commit war crimes. In a court of law that would be used by the prosecution to show 'intent' to commit a crime.

But they didn't do it alone. So many helped them along the way. The most important ally they had was the Corporate Media who should also be tried for spreading propaganda.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #24)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 03:56 PM

54. Was NAZI Germany? Just asking.

I don't think you have to join anything or admit to anything to answer for international crimes. And the International Criminal Court did not exist when we held the Nuremburg trials of NAZI war criminals.

Seems to me if we are not members of the International Criminal Court, Americans who commit war crimes could still be subject to international prosecution.

It is rather ironic that our government claims the authority to kill by drone and without trial our own nationals who plot with Al Qaeda against us, but thinks somehow that Americans who similarly act outside the bounds of international law an human decency cannot be prosecuted simply because we did not join the International Criminal Court.

Seems to me that the Court will decide over whom it has jurisdiction. Criminals usually don't just give themselves up. Sometimes they do, but not all that often.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #54)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:46 PM

60. Under the ICC

The Court can exercise jurisdiction only when: the accused is a national of a state party (ICC member), if the alleged crime took place on the territory of a state party (member state) and/or if referred to the Court by the United Nations Security Council. The UNSC has 5 permanent members (US, China, UK, France, Russian Federation) - any of which can veto an action. So...the US would veto any such undertaking.

A state not party to the ICC can still request the court to investigate by accepting the jurisdiction of the court. How likely is that to happen?

There is still universal jurisdiction, which would allow for other countries prosecuting America's war criminals. If they would just do it. The CAT (Convention Against Torture) requires universal jurisdiction of its signatories.

The US rejects UI, claiming fear of "political prosecutions" by other states. However, the US does claim the right to exercise universal jurisdiction in civil torts for violations of human rights, etc.. Go figure.

The biggest issue is no one (who can) is demanding prosecutions.

Also, we have to factor in all the hypocrisy. Sadly. (Nuremberg-like Trials for some, not for others)




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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #54)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:18 PM

104. Technically, those targets of drone killlings are no longer American citizens..

I just read this weekend that both the USA via State Dept. and Britain, quietly revoke the citizenship of those Americans they are targeting to be killed on foreign soil.
Not a citizen? No constitutional issues...neat and clean.

the question remains if they will kill on American soil, and if they do, will they revoke citizenship.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #104)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 09:29 AM

120. I wonder who is the committee that decides this?

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:14 PM

13. The Problem is, Only the Leaders of Weak or Defeated Sides are tried for War Crimes

Winners and strong countries' leaders never. They are going to get away with it until a foreign flag flies over Washington. Then they, or similar mis-leaders will hang.

The American people have a most unfortunate habit of forgiving and forgetting, letting bygones be bygones.

Wolf

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Response to Wolf Frankula (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:24 PM

23. True.

 

Even after WWII the only things "defined" as war crimes were things theother side did. Dresden? Tokyo? Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Not so much.

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Response to Wolf Frankula (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:36 AM

107. If any of the Bush gang leave this country they will be subject to arrest by the World Court.

 

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:15 PM

14. K&R. nt

 

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:17 PM

16. That last pic is heartbreaking.


Sorry if I offend some people, but all I can think looking at that is, "And what did he die for? Nothing."

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:31 PM

29. I agree.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:58 PM

67. +1000 Many here agree with what you said.

 

Why? For corporate profits. Several hundreds of thousands died for the profit of a few.

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Response to RC (Reply #67)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:07 AM

113. No. Literally nothing.

 

There was no profit goal. Well, there was, but it was secondary, a perk, if it could be accomplished.

The goal was exactly what happened. The obliteration of a nation. Remember how our Talking Shitheads were striving for a tripartate state, dividing it up between Kurds, Shia and Sunni? That was an effort to create a Mesopotamian Balkan state, of three-way warfare destabilizing the other region and drawing in other middle eastern nations.

Now look at Syria. Look at the drumming for war with Iran.

There's a plan there. It's not profits, it's not oil, it's sure as fuck not "liberation." We're there to destroy. To wipe nations off the map. Why? I honestly haven't figured that out yet, my best guess at the moment is that we're making sure nations we have no use for don't fall under anyone else's influence, either.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #113)

Thu Mar 21, 2013, 05:22 PM

130. What you say is only partly true. Profit was also a big motive

NT

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:19 PM

18. Yes, they did. Also

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Response to ProSense (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:29 PM

26. The list is long.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:21 PM

20. Jeez, that first picture looks like something out of a mob drama.

I half expect to hear "Woke Up This Morning" looking at it.

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #20)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:32 PM

31. It is and was very surreal.

While being all too real at the same time.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:23 PM

21. You guys forgot Ari the Liar....

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #21)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:30 PM

28. Didn't forget him. Won't forget any of them.

Glad you posted your link though. Thanks!

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:30 PM

27. Seeing this just makes me hope that a Dem wins in 2016.

Because if one doesn't, and one of these new crazy Reps does. We will see this in such a more massive scale. Fuckers are just itching to invade Iran or N. Korea....

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Response to Lobo27 (Reply #27)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:41 PM

37. So long as it is a Dem who did not aid and abet them. I will never support any Dem who voted

to give that power to a criminal and liar like Bush. To vote for anyone who helped them commit their crimes, is to be complicit.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #37)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 03:40 PM

51. Presumably, nobody on DU would support any Republican for President

 

and nobody here has any real power to send any Iraq War criminal to justice.

But, we do have some power over which Democratic politician wins in the primary. Nobody here should ever promote any Democratic politician that is complicit in this horrible crime.

Some here accuse the anti-war crowd of being too purist for opposing any Democratic politician that participated in this crime. I think they have very low standards and a poor understanding of the evils of war.

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Response to cpwm17 (Reply #51)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 05:34 AM

114. Agreed

and that would rule out HRC, n'est ce pas?

Has Warren given any indication she's interested in the job? She would be my choice. Or even Bernie Sanders, who is not a Dem, that would be problematic, but his policies resonate with the electorate, I wouldn't underestimate that. Maybe he could switch and run as a Dem? Somebody needs to step up, and for real, or it'll be Clinton vs. Bush all over again, then bomb-bomb-bomb, bomb-bomb-Iran.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #114)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 09:22 AM

119. She has no foreign policy experience

 

which is not necessarily a bad thing, if she has morals.

She talks the basic tough talk that is typical of many politicians in Washington:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/2012/09/27/elizabeth-warren-foreign-policy/IvZ69ScGu6Ihr06rSNqOEI/story.html

A nuclear Iran would be a threat to the United States, our allies, the region, and the world. I believe the United States must take the necessary steps to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon, and I support the approach President Obama – joined by a bipartisan consensus in Congress – has taken in working to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. I support the Administration’s policy of a tough bilateral and multilateral sanctions regime. We have the toughest sanctions we have ever had against Iran, and I will work to make them even tougher. That not only means developing new sanctions, it means vigorously enforcing existing ones.


I haven't heard that she has any interest in the Presidency.

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Response to cpwm17 (Reply #119)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 03:46 PM

129. Thanks, interesting

It's nearly 6 months old, so could have evolved some, but that's pretty much boiler-plate Dem party line right there.

Yeah, there's a lot of momentum out there looking her way for the presidency. I have no idea if there's any reality to it, or if it's just the wishful thinking of those of us who are tired of the same old same old. Bush Clinton Biden bleeaahhh

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Response to Lobo27 (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:48 AM

110. better be an unrepentantly progressive dem by then, because

There exists the distinct possibility that climategate may speak louder than candidates by then, maybe not. Either way, the whole political picture has swung so far right in recent past the dem's are only middle of the road to moderate right as best. The court of public opinion does not agree according to statistical trends. Only cheating wins the far-right vote. Green party may just begin to have a chance, and may be mankind's only far reaching hope of surviving our folly.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:31 PM

30. I doubt history will be kind to any of them....

But your right they did get away with it. The only price they will pay is history and they'll have lived free their entire life.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:34 PM

32. Crime lords of a magnitude we havent seen since

 

Nixon and even then I believe the PNAC crowd of the Cheney ilk (not to be confused with the PNAC crowd of RMN) went beyond anything Nixon or Reagan could have had a RWing wetdream about.

The BFEE took us to the complete edge of ruin. They have blood from head to toe all over them and those kind of stains never wash out.

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Response to Rex (Reply #32)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:46 PM

40. Cheney and Rumsfeld were part of the Nixon Administration. They were present when

Nixon gave the order to send the National Guard to Kent State. The biggest and most tragic dereliction of duty ever seen in this country was when Nixon and his band of crooks were not prosecuted. THAT gave them the green light to continue their evil policies and part of their mission after Nixon was forced out of office may well have been to give the finger to all those they considered responsible for his political downfall.

And then our brilliant, 'moral' leaders did it again when they allowed the Reagan traitors off the hook also.

I'm sure there is more to our Government's repeated failure to prosecute War Criminals than we know. But it seems to me that it is deliberate and the only reason for that could be that War Crimes are US policy and in their view, that means none of these crooks did anything wrong. I'm sure every evil war criminal shared that view of themselves.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #40)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:52 PM

43. And with the new recent revelation of Nixon keeping S Vietnam

 

from the Paris Peace Accords...makes one wonder just HOW long have Cheney and Rumsfeld (we already know Agnew and Kissinger are massive criminals) been at this warmongering, massive criminal empire? And why will NO ONE hold them accountable in a court of law?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Peace_Accords#Claimed_sabotage_of_negotiations_by_Nixon_campaign

Someone needs to change wiki now that we have new relevant evidence that Nixon DID in FACT sabotage the PPA causing untold numbers of deaths on all side. Boy, doesn't THAT sound familiar?

WHEN will a court of law erase these stains on our nations record?

In this current plutocracy, I would say never.

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Response to Rex (Reply #43)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 02:33 AM

112. And here, I thought that shit about Nixon and the Paris talks was old news.

maybe it's just now that what we've all known for a while is officially "known"?

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #112)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 02:19 PM

128. Yes. With recent document releases making it official now.

 

Before we could only guess, now we have proof on paper.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #40)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:59 PM

47. And Cheney and Iran Contra (while in Congress)

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/09/opinion/09wilentz.html?pagewanted=all

But there were dissenters. A number of House Republicans on the committee cheered Colonel North on. One who led the way was Dick Cheney of Wyoming, who praised Colonel North as “the most effective and impressive witness certainly this committee has heard.”

Mr. Cheney the congressman believed that Congress had usurped executive prerogatives. He saw the Iran-contra investigation not as an effort to get to the bottom of possible abuses of power but as a power play by Congressional Democrats to seize duties and responsibilities that constitutionally belonged to the president.

At the conclusion of the hearings, a dissenting minority report codified these views. The report’s chief author was a former resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, Michael J. Malbin, who was chosen by Mr. Cheney as a member of the committee’s minority staff. Another member of the minority’s legal staff, David S. Addington, is now the vice president’s chief of staff.

The minority report stressed the charge that the inquiry was a sham, calling the majority report’s allegations of serious White House abuses of power “hysterical.” The minority admitted that mistakes were made in the Iran-contra affair but laid the blame for them chiefly on a Congress that failed to give consistent aid to the Nicaraguan contras and then overstepped its bounds by trying to restrain the White House.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #47)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:19 PM

58. I love how American Dad puts it.

 

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Response to Rex (Reply #58)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:50 PM

61. I remember that. Sad how truths are easier told through comedy.

Not sure others could get away with it so easily though.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #61)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:51 PM

62. It is a sad commentary on our society.

 

The only way it can be fully expressed is with a cartoon. Anything else would be blacklisted.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:38 PM

33. These dickheads are unintentionally the greatest gift we ever got.

Thanks to their multiple monumental FUCK UPS, nearly every sane Repub/center right voter (note I said SANE) deep down is going to say "I'm Republican . . . but goddamn, the Bewsh years . . . sheesh, do I want that shit again? SIIIIIIIIIGGGGHHH . . . . "

Seriously, barring some blatant theft, that dick screwed the White House for them for at least another decade.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:39 PM

35. Yes they did

Fuckers.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:40 PM

36. MISSING A HUGE PART

Please, Please, Please don't let the fucking media escape a huge part of the blame!!They produced, sold and swallowed and SOLD the whole bathtub of bullshit from the beginning. So there has to be a picture of the media included!!! Come on, it is still going on today unless you find the truth online.

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Response to jerfro (Reply #36)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:43 PM

39. I don't excuse them either.

I did decide not to fill the page with photos of everyone that enabled the Bush administration though. That would take forever to load. The "and not just them" was to cover the rest.

I am glad you brought the Press up though.

Thanks!

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:41 PM

38. His last letter

 

The Last Letter
A Message to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney From a Dying Veteran

To: George W. Bush and Dick Cheney
From: Tomas Young

I write this letter on the 10th anniversary of the Iraq War on behalf of my fellow Iraq War veterans. I write this letter on behalf of the 4,488 soldiers and Marines who died in Iraq. I write this letter on behalf of the hundreds of thousands of veterans who have been wounded and on behalf of those whose wounds, physical and psychological, have destroyed their lives. I am one of those gravely wounded. I was paralyzed in an insurgent ambush in 2004 in Sadr City. My life is coming to an end. I am living under hospice care.

I write this letter on behalf of husbands and wives who have lost spouses, on behalf of children who have lost a parent, on behalf of the fathers and mothers who have lost sons and daughters and on behalf of those who care for the many thousands of my fellow veterans who have brain injuries. I write this letter on behalf of those veterans whose trauma and self-revulsion for what they have witnessed, endured and done in Iraq have led to suicide and on behalf of the active-duty soldiers and Marines who commit, on average, a suicide a day. I write this letter on behalf of the some 1 million Iraqi dead and on behalf of the countless Iraqi wounded. I write this letter on behalf of us all—the human detritus your war has left behind, those who will spend their lives in unending pain and grief.



I write this letter, my last letter, to you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney. I write not because I think you grasp the terrible human and moral consequences of your lies, manipulation and thirst for wealth and power. I write this letter because, before my own death, I want to make it clear that I, and hundreds of thousands of my fellow veterans, along with millions of my fellow citizens, along with hundreds of millions more in Iraq and the Middle East, know fully who you are and what you have done. You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole.

Your positions of authority, your millions of dollars of personal wealth, your public relations consultants, your privilege and your power cannot mask the hollowness of your character. You sent us to fight and die in Iraq after you, Mr. Cheney, dodged the draft in Vietnam, and you, Mr. Bush, went AWOL from your National Guard unit. Your cowardice and selfishness were established decades ago. You were not willing to risk yourselves for our nation but you sent hundreds of thousands of young men and women to be sacrificed in a senseless war with no more thought than it takes to put out the garbage.

I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had killed some 3,000 of my fellow citizens. I did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States. I did not join the Army to “liberate” Iraqis or to shut down mythical weapons-of-mass-destruction facilities or to implant what you cynically called “democracy” in Baghdad and the Middle East. I did not join the Army to rebuild Iraq, which at the time you told us could be paid for by Iraq’s oil revenues. Instead, this war has cost the United States over $3 trillion. I especially did not join the Army to carry out pre-emptive war. Pre-emptive war is illegal under international law. And as a soldier in Iraq I was, I now know, abetting your idiocy and your crimes. The Iraq War is the largest strategic blunder in U.S. history. It obliterated the balance of power in the Middle East. It installed a corrupt and brutal pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, one cemented in power through the use of torture, death squads and terror. And it has left Iran as the dominant force in the region. On every level—moral, strategic, military and economic—Iraq was a failure. And it was you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, who started this war. It is you who should pay the consequences.

I would not be writing this letter if I had been wounded fighting in Afghanistan against those forces that carried out the attacks of 9/11. Had I been wounded there I would still be miserable because of my physical deterioration and imminent death, but I would at least have the comfort of knowing that my injuries were a consequence of my own decision to defend the country I love. I would not have to lie in my bed, my body filled with painkillers, my life ebbing away, and deal with the fact that hundreds of thousands of human beings, including children, including myself, were sacrificed by you for little more than the greed of oil companies, for your alliance with the oil sheiks in Saudi Arabia, and your insane visions of empire.

I have, like many other disabled veterans, suffered from the inadequate and often inept care provided by the Veterans Administration. I have, like many other disabled veterans, come to realize that our mental and physical wounds are of no interest to you, perhaps of no interest to any politician. We were used. We were betrayed. And we have been abandoned. You, Mr. Bush, make much pretense of being a Christian. But isn’t lying a sin? Isn’t murder a sin? Aren’t theft and selfish ambition sins? I am not a Christian. But I believe in the Christian ideal. I believe that what you do to the least of your brothers you finally do to yourself, to your own soul.

My day of reckoning is upon me. Yours will come. I hope you will be put on trial. But mostly I hope, for your sakes, that you find the moral courage to face what you have done to me and to many, many others who deserved to live. I hope that before your time on earth ends, as mine is now ending, you will find the strength of character to stand before the American public and the world, and in particular the Iraqi people, and beg for forgiveness.


http://www.truthdig.com/dig/item/the_last_letter_20130318/




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Response to Milliesmom (Reply #38)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:52 PM

42. Thank You!

God bless you and thank you for your courage, honesty and above all the ability to rise up beyond those who are guilty and must remain wallowing in their own cesspool of faux self-righteousness.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:50 PM

41. Made me think of this

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:53 PM

44. Yes They Did

They were enabled, aided and abetted by President Obama.

"Look forward, not backward".

Where is the justice in this ?

He interfered with the countries that wanted the Bush administration held accountable.

The MIC brass, our corrupt government and Wall Street will do what they want, when they want, and they do not give a dam what 99% of us think about their decisions.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:53 PM

45. First pic is dripping with hubris

and the rest of them are the sickening results.

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Response to Shankapotomus (Reply #45)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:00 PM

69. They'll die thinking themselves heroes.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 03:00 PM

48. Two things that stand out to me from the portrait picture.

The black clothes to match the color of their hearts and souls. Why is Condi the only woman in the cabal? What creepy policy did she bring into the boy's club there?

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Response to Cleita (Reply #48)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 03:08 PM

49. She probably sees herself as loyal and steadfast. I see her as complicit in war crimes.

She worked for both the father and the son.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #48)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:15 PM

57. It looks like a publicity shot for a show about rich, evil assholes, like a Dallas or something.

 

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Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #57)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:39 PM

78. Exactly!

Look like a cast photo!

Their walk on the Texas Road looks like a movie promo.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 03:41 PM

52. Not as long as there are people who remember.

But they're trying.

Thank you for standing up to them, Solly Mack (Cleita, too!).

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Response to Octafish (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:55 PM

64. Of all the things that anger people over the invasion/this "anniversary",that they got away with it

should be at the top of the list.



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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 03:46 PM

53. Never forget!!

The fucking cowards can never wash all the blood off their hands.

K&R

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Response to brer cat (Reply #53)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:53 PM

63. They would call it freedom blood anyway.

They don't care.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 03:58 PM

55. ...

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Response to madamesilverspurs (Reply #55)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:56 PM

65. :(

And that's all it took from it.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:20 PM

59. "They" always get away with it...

...always. Think of everything this past fifty years--Dallas. Vietnam. Nixon's 1968 treason. Reagan/Bush's 1980 treason. Iran-Contra. Impeaching the President of the United States over a blow job. The theft of the 2000 election. The Iraq War. The outing of a CIA agent--more treason. The destruction of the economy in 2008, and the general looting of the country. When are "They" *ever* brought to justice?
Just once. Watergate. And even here, this was only because Nixon had pissed off too many of the other institutions of power, like the CIA and FBI, both of which maneuvered to bring him down. And he, of course, was pardoned by Ford. And both the GOP and the media learned their lessons--never to permit it to happen again. The Watergate scandal, of course, could not happen today.
"They" got away with it all. "They" will *always* get away with it. It would require revolution in the US--not an election, the real thing, 1789-style--to change this. And who could want such a thing? If this all sounds pretty pessimistic, well, that's because it is......

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Response to First Speaker (Reply #59)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:58 PM

68. Oh, I'm pessimistic as well.

I see this all happening again and again and again. And each time America pretending it wasn't that bad or that somehow you can torture people and still call yourself the "good guys". Or chalk it up to an aberration, regardless of the history starring them in the face.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 04:56 PM

66. I can't look at these pictures

 

Remember the 2 years I was in Iraq, think about the lies, duplicity, corruption, and waste and not have an immediate VIOLENT reaction.

America was supposed to be the good guys.

Millions of our citizens sacrificed everything it was in their capacity to give, only to have this crew shit all over it, and drag us back to the 17th century.

Mother Fuckers

I will never fucking ever give up the fight to make America a better place. Our legacy cannot be the Bush mentality.

Mother Fuckers

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Response to cbrer (Reply #66)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:12 PM

86. I'm so sorry.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:40 PM

71. Sociopaths and idiots are us.

 

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 05:49 PM

72. Paul Wolfowitz is missing from this line-up

They did get away with it.. But their their cohort, Henry Kissinger, none can travel outside the US without the fear of being arrested like Pinochet. One can only hope that history will write the truth. Websites like DU are essential to the truth.....

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Response to KauaiK (Reply #72)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:28 PM

93. Feith, Addington, Yoo, Bybee, Hadley,Gonzales, Mukasey, Myers, Miller

Gates, Ashcroft, Bradbury, Tenet, Goss...and that's not all.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:15 PM

74. I've been surprised that

an attempt hasn't been made on the life of anyone in that picture for all of the pain they caused here and abroad.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:16 PM

75. INDEED...THEY DID...and IT CONTINUES.............


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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:27 PM

76. I came to DU for this not TV shows

or porn


I"m pissed tonight on this anniversary.

The most important one for this nation and watching how everyone is reacting.

I'm not doing well with this anniversary because the anger and disgust it brings up in me on what we were and what we have become.


Hubris, the Ancient Athenians knew it destroyed them but only after reflection after the fact and time.



Destroyed Athens and the city states that aligned with her saw it and dropped away, if they could, with that super power.


This war in so many ways
was a WAR CRIME.

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Response to Ichingcarpenter (Reply #76)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:11 PM

83. I hear you.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:35 PM

77. That's what they think

Pinochet thought so as well.

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Response to malaise (Reply #77)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:09 PM

82. Spain and the UK used universal jurisdiction to detain Pinochet.

It can be done. If only someone would.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #82)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:12 PM

85. More Spain than the UK

The friends of her dear friend were not amused.

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Response to malaise (Reply #85)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:16 PM

87. Yes, Judge Garzon. But that the UK actually held him was a victory for universal jurisdiction.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #87)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:18 PM

88. 100% correct

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Response to malaise (Reply #88)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:20 PM

89. Course, they let him go too. So...






Hi, malaise.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #89)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:25 PM

91. The sad part is that he died without being convicted

but at least the Brits did detain him for over a year.

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Response to malaise (Reply #91)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:30 PM

94. And Judge Garzon worked to get him indicted.

Yeah...some think he (Pinochet) was sufficiently humiliated before he died.

I doubt his victims felt that way.

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #94)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:40 PM

97. Pinochet was scum - he should have died in prison

Garzon himself got into trouble for wiretapping.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 06:43 PM

79. The picture of the young woman at the grave is so powerful!

How would Darth Vader or GW feel if that were their daughter.....

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:03 PM

80. K&R at least there is a chance that Poodle (Blair) is in trouble. And just might get his arse

fried in Hague. Fingers cross.

I'll be VERY happy if that happens.

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #80)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:05 PM

81. That would be something!

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #81)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:11 PM

84. Have a look at the link to the tread I saw today on DU. There IS going to be at least one lawsuit

somewhere in EU. There absolutely will be. That arsehole better start running now.

autorank (29,217 posts)

Blair Cornered on War Crimes - Even BBC s on his case

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10022531324

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:27 PM

92. Sooo repulsive!! Such a terrible nightmare--except it was/is real!

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:34 PM

95. At least, for the formal portrait of disgrace,

Bush wore his best blood-soaked tie.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:41 PM

98. Dear God, look at that poor little girl in the third picture.

I have a little granddaughter that age - maybe 2 or 3. The expression on this child's face could not show more anguish had she been thrown into hell itself. Covered in blood - whose? Her own? Her parents'? Her siblings'? Standing next to a stranger, also covered in blood - her blood? - with terrifying weapons and power. Is she alone? Alone in the world, covered in blood? Is she old enough to even speak? Is she suffering without words? Could I picture my own tiny granddaughter in her place?

Could she ever recover from this?

I am so ashamed of her pain.

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Response to colorado_ufo (Reply #98)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 07:57 PM

99. Her name is Samar Hassan.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:10 PM

100. That first photo:

A portrait of pure evil.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 09:12 PM

102. SCAMMERS! Just like the WALL STREET CROWD OF BANKERS!

STOLE from the POOR to GIVE TO THE RICH!

Live Through it and WEEP!

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:12 PM

103. Change You Can BeLIEve In!

 

Aw, F(U)CK IT.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:21 PM

105. may they be haunted beyond eternity.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 11:25 PM

106. K&R

Those photos pretty much sum up the whole nightmare that was in fact real. They loved sitting for that photo, the chief cabal at the top. Look at the smirk on Cheney's face. Disgusting. How many homes in this country and in the world do you think that photo is hanging on? For a dart game, maybe. Remember JFK? Village huts and homes all over the world had a picture of JFK hanging on their humble little walls. The rest of the photos are so sad to remember, especially that little girl. History tells a story. The 2001 Supreme Court, Executive, and Legislative branch will not go down well. It will be held up as an example of how NOT to run a Democracy.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:40 AM

109. Team Obama will get 'em

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 01:50 AM

111. And They Lived Happily Ever After.

Really.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:14 AM

115. Victory of the Loud Little Handful

The sight of partially-naked women wrapped in large American flags, wiggling through the Iraq War pep rallies, caused me to send this to every member of congress, journalist, etc., that I could think of. Then I turned around mailed it again and again.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0920-01.htm

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Response to Gabby Hayes (Reply #115)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 09:45 AM

121. That is a sadly truthful statement.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 06:19 AM

116. And we helped them. Yes, us. nt

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:14 AM

117. Seven war

 

criminal standing for another portrait. They will be tried for their crimes.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:50 AM

118. Excellent reminder Solly Mack

at least us here in D.U. will not forget! Thanks for posting!!!!

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 11:28 AM

123. yes they did and Obama escalated Afghanistan as well as the use of drones

he's been in office for almost half of the decade long war..he didn't start it..but his administration continues illegal immoral policies

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 12:23 PM

124. Posing for history books?

In that first picture--I get the feeling they were all quite certain that this majestic portrait would find its way into all the history textbooks. They imagined themselves as a combination of George Washington and FDR, leading the country to liberate--well, something.

There was a whole lot of Greatest Generation Envy going on at the time, with politicians and the newsmedia.

When those reporters sat down like meek little mice at that press conference and quietly agreed not to ask questions, they all walked out trying to look as if they had just taken part in some solemn, historic turning point. They really imagined themselves witnesses to history. They probably all imagined they'd be publishing momentous tomes about their front seat to history, or something.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 12:45 PM

125. I can't believe how angry I still am about it

Like spittle inducing rage. Those motherfuckers. All those people killed. For nothing. All those people tortured. And we prance around the world like we are some sort of moral authority. And, another thing. I KNEW the Bushies were lying. I knew it. How did I know it? Me, some nobody from Nowheresville, Ohio? Because, you never trust the official line. Never. It is not believing in conspiracies either, it is realizing that there is no way in hell the government is going to tell its citizens what is really going on. Never, ever. Everyone lies. Even the good guys. Keep that in mind for the next big adventure.

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Response to Solly Mack (Original post)

Wed Mar 20, 2013, 12:58 PM

127. For now.

There is no escaping karma.

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