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bigtree

(85,988 posts)
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 09:59 AM Feb 2012

Obama's Failed Mission in Afghanistan

The announcement by Leon Panetta to reporters while on the way to the 2012 Munich Security Conference that the U.S. is looking to end combat operations in Afghanistan by the middle of next year may have come as a surprise to our NATO allies, also en route to the gathering, but no one looking at the failed military and political ambitions of both the Obama and the Bush administrations in the war-torn nation can reasonably have expected anything else.

As far back as November of last year, senior officials in the administration have signaled that the President was exploring a speedier transition of our troops' combat role to training Afghans to provide for their own defense of their dubious government. Tentative plans were said to have been made for President Obama to unveil his revised strategy before the annual NATO summit in May.

Even before the signals and the rest from the White House, there were key developments which made it clear that to continue, either the President would need to undergo another ambitious campaign to rally allies away from their almost certain plans to turn away from their part in the U.S. folly, or the administration and Pentagon would have to devise a way to overcome the mounting problems with logistics, getting supplies to the troops, and the apparent outer limits of the President's belief in what the military forces can accomplish on the offensive against a scattered and determined insurgency.

As if to underscore the folly of their escalated military offensive, U.S. troops have all but withdrawn from Kandahar, the Pentagon's self-proclaimed center of their terror war in Afghanistan, in a posture of retreat which began last October. Under the qualifying language of 'transition' and 'handover', the administration hopes to determinately pull the rug out from under whatever goals and ambitions propelled the President to adopt Bush's dubious defense of the Karzai regime, double down on the occupation, and try to effect a knockout blow to the Taliban resistance.

There can be no more resounding admission of the failure of the NATO offensive against the Taliban than this speedier exit. Our closest ally in the mission, Britain, must have been thinking the same thing when they decided in December to begin planning an earlier exit for their own beleaguered forces.

It's not very likely the U.S.-led NATO will ever be able to emphasize their 'political' aims over the destructive and destabilizing impact on the communities of Afghanistan from the devastating, U.S.-led military offensive. Through the force of our weapons - outside the limits that our constitution proscribes for the use of our military defenses - we're representing a corrupt regime and imposing it on the Afghan population, especially in regions which were not engaged in elections that we claim gives the new government legitimacy.

Even our would-be puppet, Karzai, has bristled and balked at the prospect of more destructive NATO conquest in Afghanistan on his behalf. The once-willing accomplice has seen the political writing on the wall and appears to be looking to settle for the assumption of power wherever the Taliban would allow. His reported outburst at the beginning of the Kandahar campaign, threatening to 'join the Taliban', was a open-warning to the U.S. that he recognizes there is no 'political solution' that can be reasonably carved out of the devastating, withering military campaign.

The military is quietly hoping we don't notice that they didn't actually transform their Afghanistan misadventure from the leveling of homes, the taking of resistors lives, and the destruction of farmland and livestock into the nation-building success that they intended for the mission to highlight.

In fact, the UN has reported the civilian death toll in Afghanistan was at its deadliest last year with 3,021 said killed, despite the presence and activity of their would-be protectors. The planned drawdown is not born out of any political success or victory, but out of a certain realization that there will never be a defining end to the resistant violence there which will transform the country politically.

The only course left for a stalemated and faltering U.S. invasion force is to pull back to the capital from their offensive positions in the south of the country and stage a desperate, last-stand defense of their propped-up, yet insolent regime.

The premise behind President Obama's initial 'surge' of U.S. troops into Bush's Afghanistan quagmire was to 'push back' resisting Afghans enough to allow some sort of political reconciliation. That effort is predictably bogged down by the difficulty in getting the disparate tribes and factions to accept the central authority NATO has set up in Kabul. There's even more difficulty in getting their installed government to accommodate the interests and demands of the resisting rest of the war-split nation.

The U.S. military offensive against the Taliban was an abject failure in achieving the goals behind the offensive. What happened to the promised ability of the U.S.-led NATO forces to protect the residents of Afghanistan against Taliban blowback from their invasion? The ability to protect innocent civilians from NATO attacks, or insulate them from the negative consequences and effects of the NATO military advance? The ability of NATO to provide and deliver the services and amenities of the central government to the displaced residents? Nonexistent.

An October Pentagon report to Congress also indicated that Afghan civilians are dying in record numbers. "Civilian casualties -- most caused by the Taliban -- reached an all-time high this summer with approximately 450 civilians killed in July," it said. "Attacks using homemade bombs, or IEDs, also reached an all-time high this past summer, with about 750 IED detonations recorded in July."

Predictably, resisting Afghans have avoided the areas where U.S. troops have masses and have scattered their violence around the capital and elsewhere, killing former Afghan president Burhanuddin Rabbani just last September.

Soon, our military will have the bulk of our forces hunkered down around Kabul, building dirt fortresses with guard towers to surround our unpopular junta, just to cling to the appearance of progress; just to 'stay the course' in the months before the elections as President Obama postures as 'strong' and capable on defense.

President Obama and his republican Pentagon holdovers led our nation to this retreat. They're prepared to tolerate the continued deaths of our our soldiers as our troops eventually hunker down there; tolerate the thousands drastically wounded; waiting for some declared 'victory' to materialize out of our their desperate defense of their own lives against the Afghans that the President and the Pentagon claim we're liberating.

We've been in Afghanistan longer than our country fought WWII. No matter to our leaders, though. 'Freedom's' cause for occupation supporters is nothing more than a repression of one group or another within the sovereign nation we invaded into accepting our military forces' false authority over them; and cynical manipulation and control of the Afghan government Karzai lords over by the intimidation of our military occupation.

Our nation's possessive militarism in Afghanistan and elsewhere has divided our nation from within, and, from without against our restive allies. The escalated occupation has ignored whatever Afghans might regard as freedom in our insistence that their country be used as a barrier against the terror forces we've aggravated and enhanced in Pakistan. Yet, the soldiers the President insisted on continuing to commit to his retreat to Kabul are mostly fighting and dying because they're not wanted there by the majority of the Afghan people. Our soldiers are fighting to control the Afghans, and they are busy fighting to get the U.S. to release that control.

All the while, most of the original threatening figures in our terror war have been killed -- their violent spawns made witness to the worst of al-Qaeda's warnings about U.S. imperialism, are more than satisfied to have the bulk of our nation's military forces bogged down and fighting for their lives in Kabul.

"Time is running out before the international community transfers control to Kabul by the end of 2014, and many key objectives are unlikely to be achieved by then," the October report warned.

"Our bottom line in Afghanistan is ‘in together, out together'." Panetta told reporters this week. "As an alliance, we are fully committed to the Lisbon framework and transitioning to Afghan control by 2014 . . . We hope Afghan forces will be ready to take the combat lead in all of Afghanistan sometime in 2013. . . .

Ready or not, its becoming increasingly clear that President Obama can't leave Afghanistan fast enough to outrun the mission's abject failure.

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Obama's Failed Mission in Afghanistan (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2012 OP
If we even know what the mission was. mmonk Feb 2012 #1
if they claim it was to get bin Laden, they are indeed full of it bigtree Feb 2012 #2
I really ProSense Feb 2012 #5
we'll just disagree then bigtree Feb 2012 #7
Here's ProSense Feb 2012 #8
actually, the focus of this administration was bolstering the Karzai regime bigtree Feb 2012 #9
Here ProSense Feb 2012 #10
I don't need the President's statement bigtree Feb 2012 #12
What? ProSense Feb 2012 #17
yeah, you got me there - but this isn't a thesis bigtree Feb 2012 #18
du rec. nt xchrom Feb 2012 #3
If Obama had been in office when the initial decision was made to go into Afghanistan.... Sheepshank Feb 2012 #4
I have a 'slant' on the entire operation which the President escalated bigtree Feb 2012 #6
FUBAR war. FUBAR ending to a lost war that should never have been started. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #11
DU-Unrec eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #13
unrec is an outmoded concept here bigtree Feb 2012 #14
It's symbolic, I know. BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #15
I don't know why bigtree Feb 2012 #16
K&R (nt) T S Justly Feb 2012 #19
He got OBL...we can leave Afghanistan now. Rex Feb 2012 #20
sigh, indeed bigtree Feb 2012 #21

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
1. If we even know what the mission was.
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:05 AM
Feb 2012

If it was to get Bin Laden, then one can say it was successful. But such a mission could easily have been carried without a full fledged invasion and occupation for this long. In my eyes, it was always about Afghanistan as an "energy bridge" for Turkmenistan natural gas and keeping out Iranian natural gas or Russian influence in that industry along with the desire of Pakistan of having a buffer state.

bigtree

(85,988 posts)
2. if they claim it was to get bin Laden, they are indeed full of it
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:10 AM
Feb 2012

I believe the main emphasis has been on preserving and maintaining the Karzai regime, to the exclusion of the Taliban from regaining power. As certain as Saigon became Ho Chi Minh City after we withdrew from the Vietnam war, Afghanistan will have some element of Taliban rule after we eventually retreat.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. I really
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:19 AM
Feb 2012

"I believe the main emphasis has been on preserving and maintaining the Karzai regime, to the exclusion of the Taliban from regaining power."

...don't think that was the mission. I think it had more to do with al Qaeda. The U.S. would be foolish to believe it can dictate the direction of a country after it leaves. Iraq is a perfect example of that.



bigtree

(85,988 posts)
7. we'll just disagree then
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:38 AM
Feb 2012

I think 'al-Qaeda' is like the smile on a dog. 'Crushing' the Taliban was our original focus. That's been abandoned in favor of a more realistic retreat.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. Here's
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:44 AM
Feb 2012

"I think 'al-Qaeda' is like the smile on a dog. 'Crushing' the Taliban was our original focus. That's been abandoned in favor of a more realistic retreat."

...the problem, Obama didn't define the original focus. You then say it was "abandonded." Yes, the focus became al Qaeda. That was more "realistic."

Crushing al Qaeda and getting bin Laden was the effort, which is why many people now say it's time to get out because that has been accomplished.

bigtree

(85,988 posts)
9. actually, the focus of this administration was bolstering the Karzai regime
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 11:09 AM
Feb 2012

. . . both militarily and economically.

While true that there was a dual focus on 'al-Qaeda' in Pakistan and on the Afghan-Pakistan border, there was also the effort to 'push back' the Taliban to 'give room' for the Karzai regime to establish itself. That was the reason given for the escalation of troops by this president into Afghanistan and the escalation of their offensive role. It's just not credible to say that Obama's 'surge' forces were operating primarily against 'al-Qaeda' in Afghanistan because the Pentagon and the commanders in the country all admitted that the number of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan was negligible and insignificant. The operation in Kandahar (which is all but over) was meant to be a defining stance to expand the influence of the Karzai regime to the outer provinces. That's why such a big deal was made about establishing an outpost there and setting up a provincial government there to replace the Taliban rule which is the norm outside of Kabul. That effort is being abandoned without any measurable or lasting, transformational success. The defining mission of the 'surge' was a failure on their own terms of gaining the trust and acceptance of the Afghan people and drawing the rest of the country to accept and not resist the U.S.-enabled Karzai rule.

That's what the U.S. military's stated goal was in Marjah, as it is in other areas of Afghanistan's volatile south: to persuade the local population to side with the government of Afghanistan over the Taliban.


Here's an article I collected after the battle lines moved from Marjah to Kandahar: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/world/asia/27prexy.html

WASHINGTON — Even as it presses its campaign to run insurgents out of the Taliban stronghold of Marja in Afghanistan, the United States military is looking ahead toward taking the fight to Kandahar, the Taliban’s spiritual and political heartland, White House officials said Friday.

A senior administration official said the United States was planning a major offensive this year in Kandahar. The announcement confirms what military officials have been saying for weeks: that the Marja offensive, in which intermittent fighting continued even as the Afghan government symbolically claimed control of the city on Thursday by hoisting the Afghan flag, was a forerunner for a much bigger battle ahead.

“I think the way to look at Marja, it’s the tactical prelude to larger, more comprehensive operations later this year in Kandahar city,” the official said at a background news briefing arranged by the White House under ground rules of anonymity. “If our overall goal for 2010 is to reverse the momentum and gain time and space for the Afghan capacity, we have to get to Kandahar this year.”

The public announcement that the military intends to try to push the Taliban out of Kandahar is part of an administration approach that includes warning both residents and insurgents — sometimes months in advance — that a big force led by American troops is on its way. American, NATO and Afghan officials talked openly about the Marja offensive in advance, even going so far as to announce at a news conference in Kabul that an offensive involving thousands of troops would begin “in the near future.”

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
10. Here
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 11:44 AM
Feb 2012

"While true that there was a dual focus on 'al-Qaeda' in Pakistan and on the Afghan-Pakistan border, there was also the effort to 'push back' the Taliban to 'give room' for the Karzai regime to establish itself. That was the reason given for the escalation of troops by this president into Afghanistan and the escalation of their offensive role. It's just not credible to say that Obama's 'surge' forces were operating primarily against 'al-Qaeda' in Afghanistan because the Pentagon and the commanders in the country all admitted that the number of al-Qaeda in Afghanistan was negligible and insignificant. "

...was the actual reason given for the escalation:

The President’s strategy, as laid out in his address on December 1, 2009, maintains the core goal laid out in the beginning of his administration: to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al-Qa’ida and prevent its capacity to threaten America and our allies in the future. To accomplish this, he said we would pursue three objectives: denying al-Qa’ida a safe haven, reversing the Taliban's momentum, and strengthening the capacity of Afghanistan's security forces and government so that they can take lead responsibility for Afghanistan's future. He also committed to begin the responsible withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan beginning in July 2011.

On June 22, the President addressed the American people about the way forward in Afghanistan. We have made substantial progress on the objectives the President laid out at West Point, and he made clear that we will begin the drawdown of U.S. troops from a position of strength. We have exceeded our expectations on our core goal of defeating al-Qa’ida – killing 20 of its top 30 leaders, including Osama bin Laden. We have broken the Taliban’s momentum, and trained over 100,000 Afghan National Security Forces.

The President announced that the United States will withdraw 10,000 U.S. troops from Afghanistan by the end of the year, and that the 33,000 “surge” troops he approved in December 2009 will leave Afghanistan by the summer of 2012.

With this way forward, we are seeking to consolidate the momentum the surge troops have gained over the last 18 months while continuing to train and partner with Afghan National Security Forces as they take the lead. This milestone will allow our commanders the time to responsibly implement a drawdown. As these reductions proceed, our mission will transition from one of combat to support. This is fully consistent with the commitments the United States has made, along with our NATO Allies and partners, to support the Government of Afghanistan as it moves towards full responsibility for security across Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

As the President and President Karzai agreed in May 2010, we will have a strategic partnership between our nations that provides a long-term framework for our bilateral cooperation in the areas of security, economic and social development, and institution building. This will ensure that the United States will be able to target terrorists and support a sovereign Afghan government so that our enemies cannot outlast us. We continue to support an Afghan Government-led process of reconciliation that would bring Afghans together and allow insurgents to come off the battlefield, provided they break from al-Qa’ida, abandon violence, and abide by the Afghan Constitution, including its provisions on respect for the rights of all Afghans, including women.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/defense/afghanistan

The core goal was dismantling al Qaeda.



bigtree

(85,988 posts)
12. I don't need the President's statement
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 12:10 PM
Feb 2012

. . . to see clearly that the escalation of hundreds of thousands of NATO troops into Afghanistan had little to nothing to do with the efforts to corner and degrade the Taliban forces in Pakistan identified with al-Qaeda -- other than the forces which were stationed at the border to prevent the Pakistan Taliban from fleeing into Afghanistan as our drones bombed their encampments and compounds. The drone war is the primary offensive against 'al-Qaeda' in Pakistan. The military has admitted several times that most of the al-Qaeda fighters had fled to Pakistan long ago.

The hundreds of thousands of troops surged on the initiative of President Obama into Afghanistan had almost zero to do with the 'small' invasion force which killed bin-Laden.

As Sen. Russ Feingold so famously said at the President's announcement of the surge into Afghanistan: Why are we surging where al-Qaeda isnt?

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
17. What?
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 01:18 PM
Feb 2012
I don't need the President's statement

. . . to see clearly that the escalation of hundreds of thousands of NATO troops into Afghanistan had little to nothing to do with the efforts to corner and degrade the Taliban forces in Pakistan identified with al-Qaeda -- other than the forces which were stationed at the border to prevent the Pakistan Taliban from fleeing into Afghanistan as our drones bombed their encampments and compounds. The drone war is the primary offensive against 'al-Qaeda' in Pakistan. The military has admitted several times that most of the al-Qaeda fighters had fled to Pakistan long ago.

The ecalation didn't involve "hundreds of thousands" of troops. In fact, there are only 130,000 NATO troops, including about 90,000 U.S. troops, in the country.

France has about 3,600 troops in Afghanistan and recently announced they're pulling out.


bigtree

(85,988 posts)
18. yeah, you got me there - but this isn't a thesis
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 02:06 PM
Feb 2012

130,000 troops were there to facilitate the establishment (elections) and the expansion ('pushing back' the Taliban) of the Karzai regime. The surge forces were deployed to Kabul, to the border with Pakistan, and the bulk of the forces were dispatched to Marjah and Kandahar and other areas of the Helmand Province in the south.

The surge of U.S. forces into Afghanistan had little to do with al-Qaeda because al-Qaeda was not in Afghanistan in any significant numbers.

Your premise that "the focus became "al-Qaeda" belies the purpose and activity of the bulk of the forces which were not engaged in anything involving 'al-Qaeda',

You say:

"Crushing al Qaeda and getting bin Laden was the effort, which is why many people now say it's time to get out because that has been accomplished. "

That was a dual effort which was not the enterprise of the bulk of the forces the President surged into Afghanistan. That effort involved drones and a border-crossing or two with 'small' forces.

There may well have been a more intensified focus with drones and the raid, but the bulk of the surge forces were involved in trying to degrade the resisting Taliban forces in Afghanistan to make room for their military-enabled Karzai regime.

They supported the regime by providing a perimeter defense in the area around Kabul, and by working to expand the reach and influence of that regime by taking over territory in the south and installing government sponsored rule to replace the Taliban's. The bulk of the forces were involved in chasing down and capturing or killing resisting Afghans - chasing down and killing Afghans that were fighting in opposition to the corrupt Karzai regime that our military 'surged' to maintain and expand in power.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
4. If Obama had been in office when the initial decision was made to go into Afghanistan....
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:19 AM
Feb 2012

....I would have been more likely to affix the loser label to Obama. Being handed a cancerous situation and leading the pubic to believe there was ever a chance that Obama could make it right...as if it never happened is ludicrous.

The fact is that this cancer had metastisized and regardless of the actions taken to remedy the situation this was going to be a lose/lose situation. I believe it to wholely unfair to label the heading of the op as if Obama had been given a bouquet of roses rather than a tumor and bury the name of the culrpit in the body of the text.

Given the slant of the op....I found myself skipping rather than reding this lengthy work. I made instant assumptions of the slant of the rest of the narrative and chose not to indulge.

bigtree

(85,988 posts)
6. I have a 'slant' on the entire operation which the President escalated
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 10:33 AM
Feb 2012

The result? U.S. war deaths tripled in this President's term. At least 1,766 members of the U.S. military have died in Afghanistan as a result of the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001; 575 of them under Bush.

If you bothered to read through the article I've written, you will see today's UN report that Afghan civilian deaths have hit a 5-year high.

As I said, I've followed this occupation and opined on it through both administrations. I don't believe the origin of the conflict is some absolution for this President's role in escalating and expanding the offensive mission of the military forces there. The devastating result is primarily a consequence of President Obama's direction of the occupation. It makes no sense to just ignore the fact that it is this President who sought to define the mission there in his own initial decision over the fate of our forces there. How can we dismiss his role, even if we just view him as some caretaker of the Bush regime's dithering? That just defies logic.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
20. He got OBL...we can leave Afghanistan now.
Sat Feb 4, 2012, 03:58 PM
Feb 2012

Nevermind the fact...we got him in another country. TO think we will affect the populace is a dream that will never be fullfilled. We didn't touch the drug warlords, so whatever 'good' we did there will be swallowed up by the crimelords on our departure.

Two failed wars...created by warciminals that are above the law. SIGH.

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