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Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:42 PM

UNBELIEVABLE: A Bill in Kansas to Outlaw Sustainability

Kansas's Self-Destruct Button: A Bill to Outlaw Sustainability
By Tom Randall Apr 9, 2013 8:10 AM ET



A Vortex 2 rotating supercell severe thunderstorm near Dodge City, Kansas. Photographer: Ryan McGinnis


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...Now the state’s “Committee on Energy and Environment” is proposing a law that would prohibit spending on anything that won’t set Kansas on a course to self-destruction. House Bill No. 2366 would ban all state and municipal funds for anything related to “sustainable development,” which it defines as: “development in which resource use aims to meet human needs while preserving the environment so that these needs can be met not only in the present, but also for generations to come."

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...Kansas is the eighth biggest oil-and-gas producing state in the U.S., and fossil fuels will remain a big part of the economy for decades to come. Ask Dennis Hedke. He’s the geophysicist who does contract work for oil and gas companies and is chairman of the committee that wants to ban sustainability in Kansas...

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...For the record, Hedke said House Bill No. 2366 shouldn’t affect the wind industry, because Kansas already doesn’t support wind development with public funds. In fact, he says, “we don’t have laws in Kansas right now that relate to sustainable development.” It’s more about preventing sustainable development in the future...

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...Kansas has the wind-energy potential of 3,102 terawatt hours a year, according to the U.S. Department of Energy. That’s about 80 percent of the annual electricity consumption of the entire United States. If Kansas developed just a tiny fraction of that -- 7,158 megawatts -- by 2030, it would provide economic benefits of about $7.8 billion for the state, according to the Energy Department’s National Renewable Energy Lab. And it would do so without contributing to the global warming that’s frying the state’s wheat and corn and pushing America’s breadbasket north...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-09/kansas-s-self-destruct-button-a-bill-to-outlaw-sustainability.html

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Reply UNBELIEVABLE: A Bill in Kansas to Outlaw Sustainability (Original post)
FourScore Apr 2013 OP
octoberlib Apr 2013 #1
GeorgeGist Apr 2013 #2
warrior1 Apr 2013 #3
RKP5637 Apr 2013 #5
lunasun Apr 2013 #27
RKP5637 Apr 2013 #33
Newest Reality Apr 2013 #51
dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #43
Arkansas Granny Apr 2013 #6
LonePirate Apr 2013 #12
RKP5637 Apr 2013 #21
RKP5637 Apr 2013 #4
upaloopa Apr 2013 #7
Salviati Apr 2013 #10
timdog44 Apr 2013 #8
formercia Apr 2013 #39
Apophis Apr 2013 #9
glinda Apr 2013 #25
egold2604 Apr 2013 #11
Boomerproud Apr 2013 #23
Ilsa Apr 2013 #13
adieu Apr 2013 #48
AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #14
Lucky Luciano Apr 2013 #15
FourScore Apr 2013 #16
Lucky Luciano Apr 2013 #41
n2doc Apr 2013 #17
HiPointDem Apr 2013 #18
Maineman Apr 2013 #40
randome Apr 2013 #19
gollygee Apr 2013 #20
kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #32
lordsummerisle Apr 2013 #22
PA Democrat Apr 2013 #24
TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #26
Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #28
99Forever Apr 2013 #29
G_j Apr 2013 #30
TheProgressive Apr 2013 #31
magellan Apr 2013 #54
Occulus Apr 2013 #56
TheProgressive Apr 2013 #60
Occulus Apr 2013 #62
TheProgressive Apr 2013 #63
Berlum Apr 2013 #34
PDJane Apr 2013 #35
Quantess Apr 2013 #36
napoleon_in_rags Apr 2013 #37
WillyT Apr 2013 #38
randome Apr 2013 #42
caballojm Apr 2013 #44
Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #58
formercia Apr 2013 #45
byeya Apr 2013 #46
DFW Apr 2013 #47
dogknob Apr 2013 #49
Kennah Apr 2013 #50
patrice Apr 2013 #52
Newest Reality Apr 2013 #53
Solly Mack Apr 2013 #55
Kalidurga Apr 2013 #57
Octafish Apr 2013 #59
baldguy Apr 2013 #61
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #64
FourScore Apr 2013 #65

Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:45 PM

1. This is insane. They've been going through a major drought and it's only

going to get worse in years to come.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:49 PM

2. Revenge of the psychos.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:50 PM

3. why don't the people of Kansas vote these

morons at of office?

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:52 PM

5. They seem to love them! In the last election they voted in the most RW extremists they could find.

Even moderate republicans are now a rare breed in Kansas.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:30 PM

27. Everything I read/see about KS is scary -


Stay Far Away Land for me

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Response to lunasun (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:43 PM

33. It's become a horrible place. And the agenda by the Koch Brothers, the 7th and 8th richest

people in the world is to make the rest of the US just like what they have done to Kansas. And they have made significant inroads into universities across the US through donations of millions to influence the schools of business into a combination of John Birch and Ayn Rand philosophies.

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #33)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:37 AM

51. +1

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Response to RKP5637 (Reply #5)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:11 PM

43. So we never did find out "what's the matter with Kansas" I guess.

Ironically, I am watching Ken Burns' The Dust Bowl.

Maybe their legislators ought to watch it, too.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:54 PM

6. It was the people of Kansas who voted these morons into office.

It didn't happen in a vacuum.

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Response to warrior1 (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:05 PM

12. The people in KS are morons as I live among them.

The most conservative tea bagger, corporate, religious types now win all of the Republican primaries and the voters in the general elections vote for any idiot with an R next to their name on the ballot. According to the sheep around here, the worst R is still better than the best possible D.

The national Democratic party needs to spend a lot of time and money here educating the people here.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:02 PM

21. In this district many R's just run uncontested, not even a dem challenger. Last time Brownstain

was here, he said this area isn't republican enough, like WTF. Kansans are way too naive ... they vote in the worst sh** they can find and then say, ain't they wonderful. The way KS is headed, it'll be a return the the dust bowl. Thump the bible, talk no taxes and feed them any sh** one wants and they've got the seat ... anyone with a R behind their name will do.


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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:50 PM

4. Kansas, a great place to be from as in GONE! n/t

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:55 PM

7. Isn't that kind of being like the Luddites?

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Response to upaloopa (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:58 PM

10. No, it's more like being the Peoples Temple

More proof that the republican party is just becoming a suicide cult.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:56 PM

8. Insanity.

If Kansas developed wind energy to their potential and made it state owned, they would be head and shoulders above all other states financially. Insanity. But nothing surprises me coming from Kansas anymore.

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Response to timdog44 (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:00 PM

39. The Oil business will decrease over Time

..But the Wind in Kansas, will blow forever, even after the Human Race becomes extinct.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:57 PM

9. What the hell is wrong with Kansas?

 

Ugh. This country is getting so damn frustrating.

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Response to Apophis (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:26 PM

25. +1

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:01 PM

11. You can't legislate out the stupid

I say let them pass this law. I am a strong believer in the law of unintended consequences. Let's see what the ultimate effect of this stupidity will be. They really believe that when all their resources are gone, Jeebus will create a new planet for them to exploit.

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Response to egold2604 (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:12 PM

23. History shows that the morons will simply blame the godless libruls when they do face

the consequences of their stupidity. Their god is just smiting them for being in amongst the evildoers.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:08 PM

13. Headline: Kansas Lawmakers cut off noses to spite faces. nt

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 07:20 PM

48. Sounds like they're

 

cutting their faces to spite the nose.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:13 PM

14. They're just getting desperate.

 

They know that Big Fossil's hegemony is liable to end a lot sooner than they'd like it to. Obama's first renewables initiatives, by all indications, are just the beginning.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:29 PM

15. You accidentally placed the wrong link to the article.

You posted a Bloomberg link instead of The Onion link.

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Response to Lucky Luciano (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:32 PM

16. I thought you were serious for a second there.

Last edited Sat Apr 13, 2013, 07:17 PM - Edit history (1)

You got me!

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Response to FourScore (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:08 PM

41. The article is THAT unbelievable.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:34 PM

17. I feel sorry for the good people of Kansas

The bad ones can go to hell. And in fact, Climate change is going to make that happen. I hope enough of them live long enough to regret it.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:34 PM

18. Koch Industries, Inc. /ˈkoʊk/ is an American multinational corporation based in Wichita, Kansas.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:05 PM

40. Exactly !! It is the Koch brothers and a politician's quest for their money.

No, I cannot explain the voters. I think the wind must blow in one ear and vacate the contents out the other ear.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:37 PM

19. So no more trash pickups in Kansas? Cool.

 

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 04:37 PM

20. Huh?

That's crazy! So if a municipal building somewhere wanted to put a few solar cells up, they wouldn't be able to?

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Response to gollygee (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:40 PM

32. Not only won't they be prohibited from doing so........they'll probably

 

stick in major punishment for anyone in government who suggests such a thing. Maybe they'll stone them to death with glee.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:11 PM

22. Too bad

that it wasn't a headline from The Onion, it sure could be...

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:19 PM

24. Outlaw sensibility while you are at it Kansas.

Gee, I wonder who owns all of the politicians in Kansas?

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:29 PM

26. Outlawing sanity?

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:34 PM

28. maybe we should get the U.N. involved and just *force*..

 

..sustainability on them.

we could call it..

agenda..

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:36 PM

29. Not unbelievable at all.

Have you ever visited Kansas? Although there are some nice, smart, thoughtful, and progressive folks there, they are vastly outnumbered by Republicans with the all of the common sense of a dirt clod. They are too freaking stupid to vote in their own best interests.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:36 PM

30. Big wake up calls, state by sate distruction

happening across the land'

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:37 PM

31. This is rightwing rage against UN Agenda 21

 

Agenda 21 has 'sustainable development' in it. But, you see, Glen Beck and
others like him saw an opportunity to capitalize on it. He and others write
books on how Agenda 21 will allow the 'government to take your property' and
other crap like that.

The Tea Party and republicans in general, being who they are (highly propagandized and conned
out of their money) invade state, city, and county legislators to enact anti-agenda 21 laws.

It is total bull.

They tried this in my heavy-republican county but the supervisors did not go for it!

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #31)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:46 AM

54. Even 20 years ago

...people spouting such irrational nonsense would have been laughed at, not elected. Now it's firmly entrenched in the Republican Party. I gave up trying to figure out which of them really believes their own nuttery and which are just making money off it with a straight face. My sense is that more nuttery is being added to the mix all the time.

The rw clown car must be like a Tardis inside.

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #31)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:00 AM

56. School to prison pipeline

Google it for legal evidence as to how NAIVE AND WRONG you are.

Hint: judge in PA.

You're fucking welcome.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #56)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:04 AM

60. Did you post to the correct thread?

 

Are you saying that I am naive and wrong about the rightwing obsession with Agenda 21?

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Response to TheProgressive (Reply #60)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:21 AM

62. No, I'm saying it's naive to dismiss the danger because some kooks are wrong about something else.

A judge in PA is serving time now because he was getting kickbacks from a prison (I believe it was a private prison) for sending kids from school to jail.

It is beyond dangerous to privatize things like prisons, the military, police forces, and fire departments. It's a horrible idea, full stop, and the UN doesn't have anything at all to do with it.

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Response to Occulus (Reply #62)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 11:04 AM

63. I have no clue what yo are trying to say...

 

You called me naive and wrong about Kansas and sustainable development. I mention it was a
rightwing un adenda 21 obsession.

So what is the connection to the prison industry?

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:44 PM

34. RepubliThink

For Republicans, it's all about hate, fear and death.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:48 PM

35. That's the most amazing.....and frightening.....thing I've read this week.

We desperately need some kind of education or something there; why the hell would you do this?

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:49 PM

36. What the hell?

Do people snack on lead paint chips in Kansas? (Excluding Kansas DUers, of course)

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:57 PM

37. Good, somebody needed to put those enviromental wackos in place, and put economy first.

I'm glad that Kansas is stepping up to do it. I think their bottom lines will reflect the good choices they're making.

The problem here in WA as in other states is that there are so many damn lazy hippies. For instance, we have this - dirt. Dirty - dirt, from a place called the Hanford facility. The hippies are just too damn lazy to clean it. But since Kansas has taken these bold steps to put economy first, I propose we outsource the work, and send all our dirty dirt to Kansas to store it. We'd be happy to pay a fee, if the people of Kansas were willing to take it!



Seriously, environmental issues ARE economic issues in the long term. I wish we had investment tools to really reflect this, money would be pulled out of a state that's throwing $7.8 billion in the trash to make a point.

For now, I say send the benefits to Colorado! The wind pours over the foothills, out onto the eastern planes at great speed.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:58 PM

38. "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more."

 


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Response to WillyT (Reply #38)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:09 PM

42. There's a solar cell inside every flying monkey!

 

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:14 PM

44. Looks like Kansas

is trying to challenge our crown in AZ for having the stupidest legislators in the country. As a proud Arizonan, I say bring it on!

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Response to caballojm (Reply #44)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:07 AM

58. There's lots of competition

State legislators in North Carolina and my home state of Arkansas are working overtime to give Arizona and Kansas a run for their money.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:16 PM

45. "state and municipal funds for anything related to “sustainable development,” "

This way, the Koch brothers get a free rein to develop it themselves, with no competition from the Taxpayer. Kansans will be spending a lot more for Power in the future.
The Koch Brothers know that Wind power is the next fortune to be made and they want it all.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:16 PM

46. Kansas farmers are doing their best to pump the Oglalla aquifer dry so this bill just seems

 

business as usual for the Fundicans.
Let 'em dry up and blow away.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:24 PM

47. Brownback sings "The Evolution" ("Come on baby, don't teach evolution")

http://www.myspace.com/thefreedomtoast/music/songs

A song mocking his short-lived presidential campaign of 2008.

Crap, I never intended for it to become his goddam State Anthem!!!!

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 07:28 PM

49. Next on the agenda...

...a fence around the entire state to prevent people from leaving.

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Response to dogknob (Reply #49)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:30 AM

50. If they were serious, they'd build a wall.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:42 AM

52. It's an economic grab favoring certain kinds of companies to take advantage of 0 corp. income taxes

here.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:42 AM

53. Kochery!

If we keep an eye on them, we can observe how it is possible for humans to make themselves extinct == a microcosm of self-destruction.

The Koch Brothers and the Republicans seem to be a force of devolution in progress.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:49 AM

55. Uh...uh...

Damn

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 01:00 AM

57. next thing you know they will outlaw global warming.

then they will outlaw the wind, cuz you know nature listens to lawmakers.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 03:14 AM

59. Now That IS Republican!

Greedy, even as they fashion their own noose.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 10:12 AM

61. Call it "eating your seed corn" and maybe the Kansans who vote for these monsters will understand.

 

Of course, in the 21st century you buy your GM seed corn from Monsanto after you get that loan from some Wall Street banker, so that analogy may not sink in.

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Response to FourScore (Original post)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:22 PM

64. I'm glad some DUers have paid some attention and recommended this this time around

When I posted a thread about this a couple of months ago, it got 2 replies and no recs: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022414163

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #64)

Sun Apr 14, 2013, 06:44 PM

65. Isn't it strange how that happens sometimes?

I always try not to take it personally.

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