Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:22 PM

Video-Amina: Topless Tunisian Protester Tells Femen She Was Beaten,Kidnapped & Drugged By Her Family

Amina explains that her early posts criticizing Femen were under duress, as many of us surmised.

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Video-Amina: Topless Tunisian Protester Tells Femen She Was Beaten,Kidnapped & Drugged By Her Family (Original post)	stevenleser	Apr 2013	OP
I wish her well.	TDale313	Apr 2013	#1
k&r n/t	tammywammy	Apr 2013	#2
speaks fluent american english with little accent & colloquialisms like "I was, like --" indicating	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#3
so? that's your takeaway? wowzer.	cali	Apr 2013	#6
Is that what you call fluent English? n/t	RebelOne	Apr 2013	#49
She speaks good english, no doubt, but so do a lot of people all over the world.	Quantess	Apr 2013	#54
This person has attempted to discredit her from the start	RainDog	Apr 2013	#59
'most' do not. but it may explain why her last name is tyler.	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#68
I'm so glad you're an expert on this issue	RainDog	Apr 2013	#71
as much as you. btw, amina's terrible family reportedly sent her her passport.	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#75
Well, her cousin was the one who hit her	RainDog	Apr 2013	#76
her parents are supposedly the ones committing her to a psychiatric facility and drugging her to	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#80
your lies are apparent	RainDog	Apr 2013	#84
the charge that she had been committed to a psychiatric facility was widely reported as truth by	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#85
and she was asked about this in the video, above	RainDog	Apr 2013	#87
doesn't explain why femen reported her as interned in a psych facility when they had no way	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#89
ah	RainDog	Apr 2013	#92
Ah, now you're blaming the victims.	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#95
good example of smear tactics.	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#102
Per interview with Amina, her family kept her literally under house arrest. Her family also kept her	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#109
i see your skepticism in unidimensional.	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#169
This poster should ring a Bell. nt	msanthrope	Apr 2013	#70
Since I have spent my entire adult life around many people whose 2nd language is English	RainDog	Apr 2013	#72
Two threads that speak to the poster's 'expertise' on matters:	msanthrope	Apr 2013	#74
Oh, now I get it!!!	Quantess	Apr 2013	#91
It germinated over the past year in the Education forum....it's the worst kept secret on this	msanthrope	Apr 2013	#103
My metric for knowing when I'm on the correct side of an issue.	joshcryer	Apr 2013	#111
disgusting but perfectly in synch with all its posts.	cali	Apr 2013	#79
why cali, i thought we were friends.	HiPointDem	Apr 2013	#81
come clean with me, and that's a (remote) possibility	cali	Apr 2013	#86
hannah bell?	Rex	Apr 2013	#181
yep.	cali	Apr 2013	#188
"Its" posts?	Fumesucker	Apr 2013	#93
The full on assault by some people on du against brave women fighting for their rights sucks n/t	Kurska	Apr 2013	#96
Oh, you again on the wrong side of an issue	RetroLounge	Apr 2013	#104
My exposure to US expat community can be counted in hours, and I spent less than a week combined in	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#108
amina's english is fluent grammatically, and her accent isn't british or australian, so if it's	HiPointDem	May 2013	#203
Wow! Them ferinners can't learn our language.	Skidmore	May 2013	#198
'international schools' are international, with international staff. they also tend to cater to the	HiPointDem	May 2013	#202
No these schools are not necessarily limited to diplomatic	Skidmore	May 2013	#204
i understand what international schools are. i taught overseas for some time, & so did a close	HiPointDem	May 2013	#205
I lived overseas for a decade as well., taught,	Skidmore	May 2013	#206
amina is not a child. i wasn't talking about children, and i didn't teach children. i taught at	HiPointDem	May 2013	#207
Good, I'm glad you think I'm tiresome because you seem to so invested	Skidmore	May 2013	#208
k&r	HappyMe	Apr 2013	#4
it was so obvious she was under duress. I am beyond disgusted with	cali	Apr 2013	#5
It WAS obvious. There are people so intent on casting this in a certain light that they	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#7
Absolutely. I get called the bigot for criticizing a religion that systematically promotes bigotry.	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#9
I never thought I would see feminists on DU using such ridiculous arguments to oppose feminism and	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#10
But we have to respect their culture of oppression!	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#11
It's just unbelievable. I'm trying to think of any oppressed group that does this. I can't.	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#22
they must feel profoundly profoundly foolish right now..	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#32
B-b-b-but.... BOOBS!!!	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#36
yeh it's 'hate speech' according to some.	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#40
Ah, the classic conflation of criticism of the Islamic religion with an attack on ethnicity.	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#60
But, you probably will not hear them say that, though.	Jamastiene	Apr 2013	#77
We have people here claiming the mantle of feminism	RainDog	Apr 2013	#83
Is it a subset of feminists or a subset of progressives?	pnwmom	May 2013	#209
Huge percentage of them were women. There were one or two men. nt	stevenleser	May 2013	#215
Silly person...	LadyHawkAZ	Apr 2013	#107
It was feminists on du who, years ago, convinced me to change my opinion	Warren Stupidity	Apr 2013	#37
Yet when I was not happy about the Tsarnaev mother setting up arranged marriages	dkf	Apr 2013	#52
do you have a link for this one?	RainDog	Apr 2013	#62
Here	dkf	Apr 2013	#64
Interesting. Some of the biggest defenders of misogyny in Islam	pnwmom	May 2013	#210
This message was self-deleted by its author	dkf	Apr 2013	#63
They really crapped their pants with that one.	Bonobo	Apr 2013	#100
You could try and learn something.	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#44
How women are treated in the Islamic world is taken straight out of the Quran.	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#47
False	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#112
You are really reaching, aren't you? How about you talk here and now?	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#122
What's unfortunate is that you believe you're the one to 'teach' anyone here anything. nt.	polly7	Apr 2013	#127
Anyone who is invested in intolerance above all else	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#129
LOL. That's it, I'm overcome with hatred.	polly7	Apr 2013	#130
Well I didn't write any of articles in the links I posted	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#135
Oh, I'm sorry - quoting directly from the Quran is "reinforcing stereotype".	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#149
You link to a site	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#150
Whee, and the accusations of bigotry continue. Talk about shit-stirring.	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#151
The is nothing else left for them but rinse and repeat same old accusations of bigotry.	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#158
I particularly love how she presumes to criticize your ability to pick good sources...	opiate69	Apr 2013	#159
And don't you know, you're completely unqualified to interpret the Quran or the Bible...	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#160
prezactly.	opiate69	Apr 2013	#161
that's perfect! so exactly precisely it. \n	Phillip McCleod	May 2013	#213
+1. Certain parties are using fake 'feminism' to attack islam. Those parties have no interest	HiPointDem	May 2013	#189
what you seem not to understand is that..	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#55
because they think it doesn't make it true	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#99
that misses the point almost entirely..	Phillip McCleod	May 2013	#192
I disagree that fundamentalism is inevitable. fundamentalism is being promoted, and funded,	HiPointDem	May 2013	#190
fundamentalism dies? really?	Phillip McCleod	May 2013	#193
that's because the wealth and power of the two groups is widening, and yes, the people	HiPointDem	May 2013	#194
the people funding dominionism are wealthy.	Phillip McCleod	May 2013	#195
that's not an argument, that's an opinion. one i disagree with. as i disagree with your opinion	HiPointDem	May 2013	#196
again you attempt to deflect. i don't accept the deflection.	Phillip McCleod	May 2013	#197
i'm not deflecting anything. i simply don't see an argument there. yes, all holy books include	HiPointDem	May 2013	#200
there's an ex-muslim atheist making my point on huffpost..	Phillip McCleod	May 2013	#199
i don't care. there's probably an ex-muslim making my point somewhere too.	HiPointDem	May 2013	#201
well. guess this conversation is over then.	Phillip McCleod	May 2013	#212
Learn fucking what? That several hundred years ago it was more enlightened than Christianity or	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#110
No one was casting aspersions on Islam IN GENERAL.	pnwmom	May 2013	#211
Thank Jeebus the Meta forum was closed before the Amina-boob threads!	msanthrope	Apr 2013	#73
I told you so!	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#8
That's a keeper pic!	randome	Apr 2013	#13
Ah, the things I find in Reddit on /r/atheism! n/t	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#14
Wow, good one.	Quantess	Apr 2013	#33
Yep. When women have to ask permission, and sometimes are told yes...	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#38
It's the cultural mindset. From a young age the children are taught that	Quantess	Apr 2013	#43
may i just say that all those who called me 'bigoted' against islam..	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#12
I agree, but I am not holding my breath	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#15
not just 'boobs' either. also those parents aren't 'true muslims' now.	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#16
No true Christians, no true Muslims, no true Scotsmen. n/t	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#19
what?! no true scotsmen either?!	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#24
I'm gonna keep kicking this thread all day, just to rub their noses in it. n/t	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#17
yeh i had someone put me on 'ignore' ..	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#28
A-fucking-men. These twerps got a post of mine hidden.	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#31
it's saturday .. i've nothing to do until noon.. and a full bag of weed..	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#34
Here's mine that really hurt their pwecious widdle feewings.	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#35
egads! for shame!	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#45
The Abrahamic religions are misogynist	RainDog	Apr 2013	#53
i often wonder if the cognitive dissonance so many..	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#56
The Abrahamic religions killed the divine feminine	RainDog	Apr 2013	#58
Damned straight they owe us an apology.	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#39
There's something you don't seem to get	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#41
If it's just a few bad apples...	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#42
I agree that is outrageous	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#46
why do female u.s. soldiers have to cover up in saudi arabia?	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#48
Female soldiers in Saudi Arabia cover up out of respect	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#94
many words do not a coherent argument make.	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#105
No	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#113
oh i read them. all of them.. wander though they did..	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#118
apology for what?	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#123
for calling people 'bigots' because they suggested that Amina was coerced..	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#126
I never did	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#128
ah i see, then i should just accept that i am a 'bigot' as you said?	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#132
Did I actually call you a bigot?	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#133
What you call bigotry toward atheism	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#134
what are the mental constructions	RainDog	Apr 2013	#165
That doesn't concern me	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#167
Your response doesn't answer the question	RainDog	Apr 2013	#168
It's clear to me that you haven't understood the statement	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#171
The mistake is your assumption	RainDog	Apr 2013	#172
What I see as bigotry does not relate to their own disbelief in a deity	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#173
Your problem is thinking you know what others think	RainDog	Apr 2013	#183
lol.. you can speak for me anytime raindog. ;) \n	Phillip McCleod	May 2013	#214
I thought this OP was about Amina and how she was and is treated. No?	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#120
that would be a first. we both know it doesn't work that way.	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#50
How do we know she isn't currently being held captive and forced to say this by femen goons?	octothorpe	Apr 2013	#18
LMAO! You forgot the sarcasm tag!!!	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#20
Where's the fun in that?	octothorpe	Apr 2013	#26
Ah yes! I forgot they had a fast-response squad of bra-less ninjas! n/t	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#21
I don't wear a bra... can I be one of those ninjas?	octothorpe	Apr 2013	#25
When you can snatch the pebble from my hand, young grasshopper! n/t	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#29
holy shit that is hilarious!	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#30
TOPLESS femen goons no less?!	Phillip McCleod	Apr 2013	#57
On the bright side, assuming we continue with the death penalty...	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#67
KICK.	Raine1967	Apr 2013	#23
Thank you, it's nice to see the truth. nt.	polly7	Apr 2013	#27
Thanks for posting this	RainDog	Apr 2013	#51
So this was an interview conducted by FEMEN?	R B Garr	Apr 2013	#61
No. The post here that made claims about what she said was lying	RainDog	Apr 2013	#65
Ok, but none of those shit replies or the truth proving they were shit replies	polly7	Apr 2013	#125
A patriarchy	LadyHawkAZ	Apr 2013	#136
+1000. I'm glad you corrected me on that and yes, you're exactly right.	polly7	Apr 2013	#137
The only reason I can see for this	LadyHawkAZ	Apr 2013	#154
It's social conservatism pretending to feminism	RainDog	Apr 2013	#164
LOL, because Femen over Skype are coercive, as opposed to the repression from her family and police.	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#66
You could go into Anytown USA and find teenage angst about their upbringing	R B Garr	Apr 2013	#88
You started this post with "go into Anytown USA and find teenage angst about their upbringing",	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#144
This whole thread is about nothing but digging	R B Garr	Apr 2013	#145
Keep digging.	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#152
I see why no one else is posting in these threads anymore	R B Garr	Apr 2013	#156
Well, you started with BOOBIES!!!, and devolved to Amina's character assassination.	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#170
It reeks of desperate bullshit.	Quantess	Apr 2013	#153
The same could be said of this FEMEN "interview"	R B Garr	Apr 2013	#155
It's a joke because it contradicts your narrative you are so desperate to push?	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#157
Can you just be candid about what the problem really is? For all of our sakes.	Quantess	Apr 2013	#162
After reading a number of this persons posts, it's clear. It's the boobs	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#163
...	RainDog	Apr 2013	#166
Background links for this discussion	RainDog	Apr 2013	#69
K&R	Jamastiene	Apr 2013	#78
Amina is an anti-religion hater and bigot...	MellowDem	Apr 2013	#82
hold me closer	RainDog	Apr 2013	#90
The character attacks on this woman, some by self-proclaimed "feminists" on DU sicken me.	Kurska	Apr 2013	#97
A-fucking-men!	backscatter712	Apr 2013	#98
Screw the character and revelations. That only plays into their hands.	randome	Apr 2013	#101
What attacks on this woman	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#114
I am glad you admit that Amina has every right to protest naked, to affiliate herself with FEMEN,	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#124
Yeah I'm really going to start linking to specific posts and naming specific posters. What an idea.	Kurska	Apr 2013	#131
okay, so I guess accusations without proof	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#146
Yeah, I'm going to help make DU suck to make you happy.	Kurska	Apr 2013	#147
Not to mention get your posts hidden, which is what would happen.	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#148
Ashamed? How DARE you! They are the Enlightened ones and we are the bigots here.	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#116
K&R	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#106
Is there a transcript of this interview available somewhere?	kwassa	Apr 2013	#115
Are you trying to say that her parents had no say at all in regards to where she was kept?	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#117
You had to wonder which way the anti-Femen/anti-Amina folks were going to go after this video	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#119
You gotta be kidding! Them WRONG? Not in a million years.	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#121
LOL, and that person is still at it! Here is a pic for the Amina/Femen critics	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#140
That's a good one! I am so going to steal it and use it from now on in my replies.	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#142
Wrong about what, exactly?	kwassa	Apr 2013	#139
LOL, see my #140	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#141
I have no idea one way or another. Neither do you.	kwassa	Apr 2013	#138
Both of the videos were not enough for you?	idwiyo	Apr 2013	#143
Islam, the source of all oppression of women in the world	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#174
Drucill is not the leader of a country. He's a pastor of one church.	randome	Apr 2013	#175
The cleric who issued the Fatwa on Amina isn't the leader of Tunisia either	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#176
The cleric, however, has legions of followers who will gladly do his bidding.	randome	Apr 2013	#177
so being killed doesn't matter if it isn't in the name of religion?	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#180
Fine. I am bigoted against religions that treat women -or men- cruelly.	randome	Apr 2013	#182
But apparently not against those	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#186
No, but a source	The Straight Story	Apr 2013	#179
I was almost thinking your post was reasonable	BainsBane	Apr 2013	#187
Well, I declare Steven...it appears that you have completely infuriated the Holy Trollers yet again.	Zorra	Apr 2013	#178
LOL, true, but I'll respond the way teachers respond when a kid asks why they gave them a grade...	stevenleser	Apr 2013	#185
All of the posters (except 1) don't seem to have the courage to visit	Bonobo	Apr 2013	#184
I'm not surprised, only real cowards would launch an assault on a woman for expressing her freedom.	Kurska	May 2013	#191

Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:38 PM

TDale313 (7,758 posts)

1. I wish her well.

She's a brave young woman. I know that her (and Femen's) tactics have been controversial, but I admire her spirit. I also fear this will not end well for her.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Fri Apr 26, 2013, 11:59 PM

tammywammy (26,582 posts)

2. k&r n/t

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:31 AM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

3. speaks fluent american english with little accent & colloquialisms like "I was, like --" indicating

either time spent in US or extensive experience with US expat community.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 07:29 AM

cali (114,904 posts)

6. so? that's your takeaway? wowzer.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 01:48 PM

RebelOne (30,947 posts)

49. Is that what you call fluent English? n/t

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #49)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 02:10 PM

Quantess (27,630 posts)

54. She speaks good english, no doubt, but so do a lot of people all over the world.

English is an extremely common 2nd language. When speakers of two different languages speak to each other, it's often in english.

So no, she's not necessarily deep in the American culture just because she speaks good english.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #54)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:16 PM

RainDog (28,784 posts)

59. This person has attempted to discredit her from the start

I had a French teacher who was a student, from France, and she spoke English with idioms, as most people do who learn the language, because they learn and practice a lot from watching English-language programs.

This was a laughable attempt to discredit her. But not a surprising one.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:01 PM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

68. 'most' do not. but it may explain why her last name is tyler.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #68)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:03 PM

RainDog (28,784 posts)

71. I'm so glad you're an expert on this issue

only, you're not.

You are, however, an apologist for misogyny.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #71)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:24 PM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

75. as much as you. btw, amina's terrible family reportedly sent her her passport.

Last week, Tyler said she had escaped from her family after she was drugged, held against her will and subject to virginity tests.

On Monday, she told The Associated Press she had been in contact with them and they sent her passport to her so she could get it renewed and leave. Tyler said she plans to get a visa to France and take up journalism studies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/amina-tyler-tunisia_n_3134614.html

Next you'll be telling us that girls who wear short skirts deserve to be sexually harassed and raped.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #95)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 06:49 PM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

102. good example of smear tactics.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #80)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:36 PM

idwiyo (5,113 posts)

109. Per interview with Amina, her family kept her literally under house arrest. Her family also kept her

on drugs.

I am glad they didn't physically abuse her. Points to them for that.

But what about brainwashing? What about "let us see if you are a virgin"? Or mental abuse doesn't count in your books?

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #109)

Mon Apr 29, 2013, 04:07 AM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

169. i see your skepticism in unidimensional.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:03 PM

msanthrope (37,549 posts)

Is that posters' stuff.

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Response to RainDog (Reply #59)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:33 PM

cali (114,904 posts)

79. disgusting but perfectly in synch with all its posts.

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Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:34 PM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 05:54 PM

Kurska (5,739 posts)

96. The full on assault by some people on du against brave women fighting for their rights sucks n/t

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 07:04 PM

RetroLounge (37,250 posts)

104. Oh, you again on the wrong side of an issue

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #3)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:31 PM

idwiyo (5,113 posts)

108. My exposure to US expat community can be counted in hours, and I spent less than a week combined in

US. I do not watch American TV. Hell, don't even watch British TV.

Please, enlighten me why do I use the same colloquialisms?

Obviously I must be lying. Yes?

BTW, Amina's English is not "fluent" nor is it "American".

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #108)

Sun May 5, 2013, 08:12 AM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

203. amina's english is fluent grammatically, and her accent isn't british or australian, so if it's

not american, perhaps it's indian....

there's that thing about her last name being 'tyler,' too....

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #3)

Sun May 5, 2013, 07:59 AM

Skidmore (37,364 posts)

198. Wow! Them ferinners can't learn our language.

to cite chapter and verse..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022663197#post33

this..

and this..

morningfog
39. Explain the divide. How is it hate speech?

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45. It's a racist physical caricature of Arab men. The equivelant of black face.

morningfog
49. Is that hate speech? Offensive does not equal hate speech.

Racism does not even equal hate speech.

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52. It is in fact the very definition of hate speech.

emphasis added.

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Response to Phillip McCleod (Reply #40)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:30 PM

backscatter712 (26,355 posts)

60. Ah, the classic conflation of criticism of the Islamic religion with an attack on ethnicity.

Next, they'll be telling us that because we criticize Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, we must be antisemitic.

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Response to Phillip McCleod (Reply #32)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:29 PM

Jamastiene (38,174 posts)

77. But, you probably will not hear them say that, though.

I was disgusted by how many posters used that last video as an excuse to bash Femen simply for the nudity and strong opinions of the women doing the protesting. There is a lot (and I mean A LOT) of room for improvement in attitude for a lot of posters when it comes to civil rights.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #77)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:36 PM

RainDog (28,784 posts)

83. We have people here claiming the mantle of feminism

Who post links from Judith Reisman - who is notable as an extremist right winger who attacked Alfred Kinsey's work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Reisman

Who post links from Mormons who want to save women from sexual objectification... I guess so that they can marry 12 year olds legally, or who knows, but at least they won't be wearing revealing clothing.

It's beyond me how anyone can credit and validate those here who do this unless they are also conservatives - because that's the ideology they promote - censorship and sexual shaming.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #22)

Sun May 5, 2013, 09:27 AM

pnwmom (107,639 posts)

209. Is it a subset of feminists or a subset of progressives?

Were the people making excuses for this all women?

That is sad.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #209)

Sun May 5, 2013, 06:11 PM

stevenleser (32,886 posts)

215. Huge percentage of them were women. There were one or two men. nt

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:22 PM

LadyHawkAZ (6,199 posts)

107. Silly person...

Bonobo (29,257 posts)

100. They really crapped their pants with that one.

And all because they don't want teh menz to see boobz.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 01:33 PM

BainsBane (52,574 posts)

44. You could try and learn something.

Rather than imaging you know everything about Islam based on a couple of news reports. You imagine the actions by this family explains all of Islam, a religion that has existed since the 7th century. Have you read Averroes critique of gender differences? Have you learned about the scientific innovations of women scientists like Fatima Al-Majritiya? Do you know of the role of women like Fatima al-Fihri's in forming educational institutions? Did you know that Islamic centers of learning in the Golden Age were filled with women scholars when women in the West were not allowed to seek higher education of any kind? Did you know that women in Islamic societies traditionally had property rights where women in the West were allowed to own none?

What you don't understand is that the fundamentalist extremism that you think characterizes Islam itself has arisen in response to colonialism, occupation, and neo-imperialism. It comes out of a particular political context and does not represent Islam as a whole. In other words, you don't get the whole story from your TV set, shocking as that may seem to you.

Bigotry is not defined by what does or doesn't happen to one woman. It's an inability to understand there is much about Islam people don't know and a refusal to try to learn more.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 01:45 PM

backscatter712 (26,355 posts)

47. How women are treated in the Islamic world is taken straight out of the Quran.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:51 PM

BainsBane (52,574 posts)

112. False

entirely false. Repeating that kind of stereotype displays a steadfast determination to not learn. It truly is unfortunate.

If Islam itself is by nature oppressive to women, how do you explain the conditions of women in the Golden Age, that I mentioned in my previous post and you ignored? How do you explain Fatima Al-Majritiya, Fatima al-Fihri's, and Ibn Sina's critique of patriarchy?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #112)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:20 PM

idwiyo (5,113 posts)

Not at all ...... I've just been on the receiving end of your intellectual dishonesty too many times. I love education. I scour the net daily for interesting, educational articles by people who've earned respect.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #130)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:52 PM

BainsBane (52,574 posts)

135. Well I didn't write any of articles in the links I posted

Or the video, so perhaps you'll decide they are worth your time.

http://www.mnvideovault.org/index.php?id=22858&popup=yes&select_index=0

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #112)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 05:09 AM

backscatter712 (26,355 posts)

149. Oh, I'm sorry - quoting directly from the Quran is "reinforcing stereotype".

The site where I linked cites dozens of verses directly out of Muslim scripture that denigrate women and give men undeserved power over them.

I guess you're too busy stirring shit here to actually be bothered to read it...

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #47)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 08:10 AM

BainsBane (52,574 posts)

150. You link to a site

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dedicated to proving Islam is evil and expect me to take your posts seriously? That you actually think there is anything legitimate about that site boggles the imagination. You really don't have the first notion of how to do research or vet sources at all. You don't even attempt to find any analysis of Quranic scholarship. You don't even seem to understand the most basic concept that only Quranic scholars of the highest levels are permitted to interpret the Quran. Scholars study for decades to reach that level. Anti-religious zealots do not qualify, nor do any of the clerics within Al Qaeda. Without that most basic understanding, you think you can list a few passages and pretend to know their meaning within the Islam as a whole? Do you even know which branches of Quranic scholarship promote the primacy of of the passages you cite? How does Sufism consider the role of women in society? How do you explain the differences in the role of women in different cultures, from Turkey to Dubai to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan? If Islam is really so simplistically monolithic as you imagine, why is there such variation in rights of women throughout the Muslim world? How do you explain the changes in attitudes toward women in the post-colonial period?

I've given you countless examples that contradict your anti-Islamic propaganda, which you systematically ignore, seemingly because they doesn't fit your singular agenda here--to show than Islam and Muslims are inferior. Inferior to what? Do you know that women in the US are killed at nearly 5x the rate than are women in Tunisia? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Do you know that women in this country are raped at extremely high rates (25%) and that nearly half of all women in the US military are raped? Or do you simply not care about something as trivial as the rape of murder of women? And you think the problem is with Islam, despise the fact that history shows there is nothing endemic to seeing women as inferior in the religion, despite the fact a group dedicated to spreading hatred about Muslims compiled some passages from the Quran. Big fucking deal. You can find the same thing in laws for many US states and Western nations. What matters is how texts are interpreted, and that falls to Quranic scholars, not random people with no education in the field. Moreover, laws themselves are enforced by courts, and few Muslim countries operate under Sharia law.

How is it that you've missed all of the activism by Muslims, men and women alike, in support of women's rights?
Like this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022764236
or this: http://rt.com/news/tunisia-protests-belaid-eu-366/
If Islam is inherently misogynistic, what are these men and women doing protesting for women's rights while remaining practicing Muslims?

So is the problem that Tunisian women might find their abortion rights circumscribed like American women have already faced (because their current rights exceed those of women in many states in the US), or that they have the audacity to practice a religion you despise? I don't see that you care one wit for Amina or any other Muslim woman. How can you when you have no respect for their religion and ethnic identity?

So what is your proposal to rid the world of the evils of Islam? To continue to demonstrate Western cultural superiority by dropping bombs on Muslim nations and wiping those women off the face of the map? Next stop Syria, Iran, and then Tunisia? And you think our culture is superior? What kind of rights do Muslim women have after they've been slaughtered? Even if you do not see such military action as legitimate, how is it that you refuse to consider the role of the West and the US in particular in propping up the authoritarian dictatorships that gave rise to the fundamentalist extremism you conflate with Islam as a whole? Would reading a bit of history really be so objectionable? (And by history I mean peer-reviewed articles in academic journals and books published by university presses, not random crap online).

You show contempt for the religion and ethnic identity of 2 billion people on earth and accuse me of shit stirring? If refusing to sit back and let you spread anti-Islamic propaganda without criticism is shit stirring, that I proudly stand charged. I have read more than I can stomach from you. We will not be having further conversations, period.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #150)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 08:56 AM

backscatter712 (26,355 posts)

151. Whee, and the accusations of bigotry continue. Talk about shit-stirring.

You completely mischaracterize the site I link, which gives the same treatment to the Bible, and the book of Mormon as it does to the Quran. Everything in that site is taken directly from those religious texts. I think it's being quite even-handed.

Islam, as it turns out, being an Abrahamic religion, has the same flaws as Christianity and Judaism. The human rights activism of Muslims, Christians and Jews doesn't take place because these adherents of their religions are following the teachings, but because they are breaking them. You don't see most Christians or Jews refusing to eat shellfish or wear blended fabrics, do you? Paul says in the New Testament "Slaves, follow your masters" and "Women, submit to your husbands." Yet in the US, we had an abolitionist movement, fought a civil war and abolished slavery (despite Southern plantation owners reading the Bible verses I paraphrased specifically to justify slavery...) We had a women's suffrage movement here in the West that brought women some, but not all, of the legal rights and respect they deserve, but even today, we have Christian extremists demanding that women sit down, shut up, submit to their husbands and the male church leaders, and stop demanding fair treatment. The clergy of the Roman Catholic Church is still a boys-only club.

You don't become moral by following the teachings of the Bible or the Quran. You do so by breaking most the rules in those texts, and only picking out the pieces that actually make sense and aren't too incompatible with basic decency. If you want to see what happens when you follow the teachings too closely, see the Westboro Baptist Church. Or the Taliban.

You'll respond to this post. I'll bet you can't resist...

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #151)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 06:39 PM

idwiyo (5,113 posts)

158. The is nothing else left for them but rinse and repeat same old accusations of bigotry.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #151)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 07:10 PM

opiate69 (10,129 posts)

159. I particularly love how she presumes to criticize your ability to pick good sources...

Then links to wikipedia as a source, herself.

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Response to opiate69 (Reply #159)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 07:15 PM

backscatter712 (26,355 posts)

160. And don't you know, you're completely unqualified to interpret the Quran or the Bible...

Unless you spend years and years and years in seminary or the Muslim equivalent to ensure your interpretations are correct, and you can be trusted with the gift of interpretation.

How dare we atheists sit down, read religious texts for ourselves and point out the nonsense and bigotry! We have to be specially trained to roll the words around in six levels of indirection, abstraction and symbolic reinterpretation in religiously approved psychological framing, so we can get our doublethink working and be able to tell the world that 2+2=5!

If we dare to read the texts straight up, doublecheck the meanings of words using translation notes, and look at the texts from an objective point of view, we're in very serious danger of recognizing the contents as bullshit. Can't have that!

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #160)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 07:16 PM

opiate69 (10,129 posts)

161. prezactly.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #160)

Sun May 5, 2013, 10:04 AM

Phillip McCleod (1,837 posts)

..here's a link to a thread in 'religion' with an excerpt and link..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/121878678

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Response to Phillip McCleod (Reply #199)

Sun May 5, 2013, 08:07 AM

HiPointDem (20,729 posts)

But, didn't you know? You're not allowed to criticize a culture and a religion where women are beaten and repressed. That would just be bigoted!

See, we have to turn the other way when the burqa's used to hide bruises. Otherwise, we're being Western imperialists, imposing our culture of human rights.

HOW DARE WE TELL THEM NOT TO TREAT WOMEN AS PROPERTY! WE MUST RESPECT THEIR MISOGYNISTIC CULTURE!

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:16 AM

randome (34,845 posts)

13. That's a keeper pic!

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Response to randome (Reply #13)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:19 AM

backscatter712 (26,355 posts)

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #19)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:44 AM

Phillip McCleod (1,837 posts)

24. what?! no true scotsmen either?!

sheesh. is nothing sacred?

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Response to Phillip McCleod (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:34 AM

backscatter712 (26,355 posts)

what the hell? might as well join you.
let's relive some of the choicest moments shall we?

here's what brought the buckets of digital spittle down upon *my* head..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022663197#post2

Phillip McCleod
2. but there's no reason to suspect coercion, right?

i mean.. fundie muslim parents are notoriously even-handed an open-minded with their teen daughters..

..right?

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:46 PM

BainsBane (52,574 posts)

134. What you call bigotry toward atheism

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:50 AM

octothorpe (962 posts)

26. Where's the fun in that?

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Response to octothorpe (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:39 AM

backscatter712 (26,355 posts)

21. Ah yes! I forgot they had a fast-response squad of bra-less ninjas! n/t

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:49 AM

octothorpe (962 posts)

25. I don't wear a bra... can I be one of those ninjas?

I've always wanted to be a ninja.

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Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:58 AM

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:42 AM

Raine1967 (11,563 posts)

23. KICK.

Thank you stevenleser.

I'm still amazed at this particular chapter of DU history.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 11:53 AM

polly7 (20,582 posts)

27. Thank you, it's nice to see the truth. nt.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 01:52 PM

RainDog (28,784 posts)

51. Thanks for posting this

I thought it was unbelievable that so-called "feminists" on this board were attacking this woman for her actions and siding with misogynists simply because of the type of protest in which she engaged. If your "feminism" is consistently aligned with censorship and right-wing religion, your feminism isn't feminism.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:40 PM

R B Garr (16,533 posts)

61. So this was an interview conducted by FEMEN?

and that makes it true and accurate. Really? What else is she going to say to them.

This young woman seems very adept at creating quite a maelstrom for herself. What seems to be the most consistent thing is that she is playing both sides against the middle. No doubt she wants independence for herself and is seeking a way out of her current life, but she knowingly chose a tough road for herself. It's as if she wanted to create an insurmountable wedge for herself to return to her previous existence. She says what each group wants to hear.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #61)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 03:50 PM

RainDog (28,784 posts)

65. No. The post here that made claims about what she said was lying

here's the thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2663197

Here's a translation of what she said that indicates the OP was twisting her words. She wasn't saying what each group wants to hear. Her words were misquoted and she was denied outside contact to verify things she had heard that were done in her name.

Don't try to spin this as some unreliable female. She was told things that were not true. However, she indicated her support for FEMEN the entire time.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/04/subject-of-femens-topless-jihad-questions-the-groups-tactics/274790/

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Response to RainDog (Reply #65)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:24 PM

polly7 (20,582 posts)

125. Ok, but none of those shit replies or the truth proving they were shit replies

matters here ......... because it's STILL all about naked breasts and how these FEMEN women are reinforcing the PATRIARCHY just by giving the menzzzz something to leer about and so have diminished all other women everywhere, especially femenists here who've spent so much time educating us rubes on the dangers of exposing breasts for horny men everywhere. Amina's message was never actually a consideration in all of those mega threads, neither was the issue of Islam and oppression. It's the patriarchy.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #125)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:52 PM

LadyHawkAZ (6,199 posts)

136. A patriarchy

Not *THE* patriarchy. It's about *Western* patriarchy and the horrible oppressiveness of our own sexuality- women's choices are oppressive, patriarchal and generally horrid. Islamic patriarchy is verboten for discussion and indeed, from reading some of the posts, seems not to exist at all.

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Response to LadyHawkAZ (Reply #136)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 09:55 PM

polly7 (20,582 posts)

137. +1000. I'm glad you corrected me on that and yes, you're exactly right.

It was a real eye-opener to see how Islamic patriarchy is given a pass, considering how vehement they are about it here.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #137)

Sun Apr 28, 2013, 05:45 PM

LadyHawkAZ (6,199 posts)

154. The only reason I can see for this

is that since it promotes "modesty" and discourages women from sexual activity (very strictly discourages, in fact), it's exempt from criticism. Because how you dress and how much skin you show doing it is such a huge factor in your value as a person to society, right? That's feminist! Right?? Not patriarchal at all!

Islam honors women! Showing breasts, now, that's oppressive!

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 04:35 PM

MellowDem (5,018 posts)

82. Amina is an anti-religion hater and bigot...

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 08:56 PM

kwassa (23,340 posts)

115. Is there a transcript of this interview available somewhere?

Spell it out.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #139)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 10:45 PM

stevenleser (32,886 posts)

141. LOL, see my #140

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Response to idwiyo (Reply #117)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 10:41 PM

kwassa (23,340 posts)

138. I have no idea one way or another. Neither do you.

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Response to kwassa (Reply #138)

Sat Apr 27, 2013, 10:50 PM

idwiyo (5,113 posts)

who kill while invoking a secular justification.

I myself am more concerned with human rights than the particular ideology or excuse someone invokes to justify murder or abuse.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #174)

Mon Apr 29, 2013, 06:41 PM

The Straight Story (48,121 posts)

179. No, but a source

And not just of women. Same with different governments, other religions, philosophies, etc.

I call out rw fundies quite a bit and consider myself a non-denominational Christian.

I respect my sister's choice to be a fundie but saw for years how the church used their influence in a negative way, she finally started to go to a less 'legalistic' church (she used to wear head scarves to church, women keep silent sort of thing, etc). I don't think she was fully aware of other views and interpretations of things but that changed over time.

Calling out a mainstream religion in one particular area of the world I don't have a problem with either. Even if it pisses off some of those people it gets out information and awareness that there are other choices.

I posted something about pat robertson the other day on FB and my one jumped right in and told me basically it was left wing christian hating drivel and why did I hate christians, etc. Explained to him that in my view there were a lot better representations of the faith out there and he was bilking people out of money and nothing wrong with bringing that to light.

I don't want to remove peoples' choices of faith and such, but I don't think calling them out on it is all that bad really. Educate, explain, complain, compare and contrast, make people aware of broader things - and you can still respect their choices at the end of the day - especially by not trying to codify choices you prefer in forced actions/laws.

We were told men would not have cared about this whole protest thing if it didn't have boobs in it. But it seems the ones most distracted by that were the ones complaining about it so loudly. I see many men complaining about the crap that goes on in the middle east when it comes to how people are treated, from Iran hanging gay people to women being stoned to death for being raped. But no, the only reason we paid attention was a half naked woman.....

Islam has serious problems right now in some countries where the hard liners run things and women there don't have a fighting chance. Instead of applauding someone who shed a lot on that through her tactics she got vilified.

And just because we have problems too does not mean we can't bring to light problems elsewhere.

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Response to The Straight Story (Reply #179)

Mon Apr 29, 2013, 08:34 PM

BainsBane (52,574 posts)

187. I was almost thinking your post was reasonable

until you had to go back to your straw man arguments.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Mon Apr 29, 2013, 06:32 PM

Zorra (27,670 posts)

178. Well, I declare Steven...it appears that you have completely infuriated the Holy Trollers yet again.

Have you so soon forgotten that beating and oppressing women is acceptable, even admirable, when it is quasi-sanctioned by organized religion?

The all wise and knowing Ipapasapa of the Sacred Order the Not Even Really Sisters of Perpetual Bullshit is obviously not pleased with your OP; I'm sure it would have alerted on you already if had not already used up its allotment of alerts.

Perhaps the Novitiate of Socks is heeding the call, and alerting on this post as you read it.

Freeper trolls, corporate trolls, Third way trolls, gun trolls sexist trolls, homophobic trolls, and now we have the Holy Trollers

Are there any other conservative groups left, that you can think of, that will be sending their pied pipers to DU for a shot at influencing the lovable but gullible and naive among us?

Flat Earth Society trolls maybe?

The DU Direct Line Personals:

Living, loving, friendly, playful but very lonely Universe who no one understands seeking direct, real connection with serious, loving human beings interested in growth.

Religion and book worshipers need not apply.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #178)

Mon Apr 29, 2013, 08:01 PM

stevenleser (32,886 posts)

185. LOL, true, but I'll respond the way teachers respond when a kid asks why they gave them a grade...

I didn't cause the folks who are upset to be upset. They are upset because they intentionally bought into statements by Amina obviously made under duress, attacked anyone who pointed out what was obvious and now they feel foolish and rightfully so. But they thoroughly earned and deserve feeling foolish.

The above doesnt even account for folks who self proclaim to be feminist but attack a feminist group because of the way they express their feminism. Egads, boobs!

Breasts, which all mammals of both sexes have, we can't be showing those, at least not if we are female, because a man might be turned on and that invalidates the protest and makes the protesters stupid. That's what the message is from some self-proclaimed feminists here.

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Response to stevenleser (Original post)

Mon Apr 29, 2013, 07:33 PM

Bonobo (29,257 posts)

184. All of the posters (except 1) don't seem to have the courage to visit

this thread.

I see only one of the original gang behind all the boobie outrage.

The rest seem not to be able to show their faces.

Conspicuous in their absence, they are -as Yoda might opine.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #184)

Sun May 5, 2013, 03:48 AM

Kurska (5,739 posts)

191. I'm not surprised, only real cowards would launch an assault on a woman for expressing her freedom.

And it would take actual courage to own up to one's mistakes.

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General Discussion (Forum)

Video-Amina: Topless Tunisian Protester Tells Femen She Was Beaten,Kidnapped & Drugged By Her Family

1. I wish her well.

2. k&r n/t

3. speaks fluent american english with little accent & colloquialisms like "I was, like --" indicating

6. so? that's your takeaway? wowzer.

49. Is that what you call fluent English? n/t

54. She speaks good english, no doubt, but so do a lot of people all over the world.

59. This person has attempted to discredit her from the start

68. 'most' do not. but it may explain why her last name is tyler.

71. I'm so glad you're an expert on this issue

75. as much as you. btw, amina's terrible family reportedly sent her her passport.

76. Well, her cousin was the one who hit her

80. her parents are supposedly the ones committing her to a psychiatric facility and drugging her to

84. your lies are apparent

85. the charge that she had been committed to a psychiatric facility was widely reported as truth by

87. and she was asked about this in the video, above

89. doesn't explain why femen reported her as interned in a psych facility when they had no way

92. ah

95. Ah, now you're blaming the victims.

102. good example of smear tactics.

109. Per interview with Amina, her family kept her literally under house arrest. Her family also kept her

169. i see your skepticism in unidimensional.

70. This poster should ring a Bell. nt

72. Since I have spent my entire adult life around many people whose 2nd language is English

74. Two threads that speak to the poster's 'expertise' on matters:

91. Oh, now I get it!!!

103. It germinated over the past year in the Education forum....it's the worst kept secret on this

111. My metric for knowing when I'm on the correct side of an issue.

79. disgusting but perfectly in synch with all its posts.

81. why cali, i thought we were friends.

86. come clean with me, and that's a (remote) possibility

181. hannah bell?

188. yep.

93. "Its" posts?

96. The full on assault by some people on du against brave women fighting for their rights sucks n/t

104. Oh, you again on the wrong side of an issue

108. My exposure to US expat community can be counted in hours, and I spent less than a week combined in

203. amina's english *is* fluent grammatically, and her accent isn't british or australian, so if it's

198. Wow! Them ferinners can't learn our language.

202. 'international schools' are international, with international staff. they also tend to cater to the

204. No these schools are not necessarily limited to diplomatic

205. i understand what international schools are. i taught overseas for some time, & so did a close

206. I lived overseas for a decade as well., taught,

207. amina is not a child. i wasn't talking about children, and i didn't teach children. i taught at

208. Good, I'm glad you think I'm tiresome because you seem to so invested

4. k&r

5. it was so obvious she was under duress. I am beyond disgusted with

7. It WAS obvious. There are people so intent on casting this in a certain light that they

9. Absolutely. I get called the bigot for criticizing a religion that systematically promotes bigotry.

10. I never thought I would see feminists on DU using such ridiculous arguments to oppose feminism and

11. But we have to respect their culture of oppression!

22. It's just unbelievable. I'm trying to think of any oppressed group that does this. I can't.

32. they must feel profoundly profoundly foolish right now..

36. B-b-b-but.... BOOBS!!!

40. yeh it's 'hate speech' according to some.

60. Ah, the classic conflation of criticism of the Islamic religion with an attack on ethnicity.

77. But, you probably will not hear them say that, though.

83. We have people here claiming the mantle of feminism

209. Is it a subset of feminists or a subset of progressives?

215. Huge percentage of them were women. There were one or two men. nt

107. Silly person...

37. It was feminists on du who, years ago, convinced me to change my opinion

52. Yet when I was not happy about the Tsarnaev mother setting up arranged marriages

62. do you have a link for this one?

64. Here

210. Interesting. Some of the biggest defenders of misogyny in Islam

100. They really crapped their pants with that one.

44. You could try and learn something.

47. How women are treated in the Islamic world is taken straight out of the Quran.

112. False

122. You are really reaching, aren't you? How about you talk here and now?

127. What's unfortunate is that you believe you're the one to 'teach' anyone here anything. nt.

129. Anyone who is invested in intolerance above all else

130. LOL. That's it, I'm overcome with hatred.

135. Well I didn't write any of articles in the links I posted

149. Oh, I'm sorry - quoting directly from the Quran is "reinforcing stereotype".

150. You link to a site

151. Whee, and the accusations of bigotry continue. Talk about shit-stirring.

158. The is nothing else left for them but rinse and repeat same old accusations of bigotry.

159. I particularly love how she presumes to criticize your ability to pick good sources...

203. amina's english is fluent grammatically, and her accent isn't british or australian, so if it's

24. what?! no true scotsmen either?!