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JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:27 PM May 2013

Bloodied London Attacker Speaks To Camera After Beheading: ‘You People Will Never Be Safe’

“I apologize that women had to witness this today but, in our land, our women have to see the same,” the attacker said on camera after beheading a man on the streets of London. “You people will never be safe.”

It is believed there were two attackers who acted in coordination, killing one and wounding two more in the streets of London. The attackers were incapacitated after they assaulted police.

This violent act is being considered an Islamist terrorist attack by British authorities.

Video of attacker in link: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bloodied-london-attacker-speaks-to-camera-after-beheading-you-people-will-never-be-safe/

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Bloodied London Attacker Speaks To Camera After Beheading: ‘You People Will Never Be Safe’ (Original Post) JaneyVee May 2013 OP
Jesus fucking Christ. randome May 2013 #1
There was more than one and they were filming each other and asked passersby to also film. snagglepuss May 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE May 2013 #4
I never thought I would consider my martial arts training in Japanese sword Katashi_itto May 2013 #39
Yeah, that's kind of depressing. Always be prepared, I suppose. randome May 2013 #66
Can't carry a Japanese sword around with you though rl6214 May 2013 #80
Very true, not like I imagined donning my hakama and striding around the city Katashi_itto May 2013 #91
I would love to have that sort of skill rl6214 May 2013 #114
I started out with legitimate DVDs eventually, with all my moving around, found a good Dojo Katashi_itto May 2013 #125
Hats off to you, that takes a lot of dedication. rl6214 May 2013 #164
Oh not sure if it's dedication, just a matter of finding something you like :) Katashi_itto May 2013 #166
I wonder if the ECHR will uphold his inevitable asylum claim nt geek tragedy May 2013 #2
Big man BeyondGeography May 2013 #5
Boko Haram comes to London? Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #6
When have we ever really been safe? n/t winter is coming May 2013 #7
Sickening troglodytes are a cancer on society.nt sufrommich May 2013 #8
which trogs on which society? tiny elvis May 2013 #137
"in our land..." Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #9
Sorry, white man's burden and all that. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #11
oh nebenaube May 2013 #17
Yes, but it didn't really break out until the post-war era. Comrade Grumpy May 2013 #20
Didn't Shakepeare smoke cannibis? coldmountain May 2013 #106
I initially thought you referred to "cannibals", not cannabis. Shrike47 May 2013 #29
I don't think too many English now living had a choice in that matter... JHB May 2013 #99
+1 n/t Skip Intro May 2013 #19
there is no thought in that response tiny elvis May 2013 #135
One thing in common with people here in the US like Bachmann... Archae May 2013 #10
False equivalency. former9thward May 2013 #12
Amen to that. n/t cigsandcoffee May 2013 #15
Scott Roeder is a fundy. Archae May 2013 #16
Got anything more recent than leftynyc May 2013 #25
LOL n/t whathehell May 2013 #31
Anders Breivik thought he was some kind of Knight Templar. CJCRANE May 2013 #42
It'll make for an interesting discussion leftynyc May 2013 #47
Yeah sure, but he didn't behead him so it doesn't count. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #26
If you're going to do the leftynyc May 2013 #41
As per my post #42... CJCRANE May 2013 #46
And what propoganda leftynyc May 2013 #56
I didn't say "forced". I implied "influenced". Look at "Rwanda Radio" CJCRANE May 2013 #58
Yeah, fundies usually limit themselves to LuvNewcastle May 2013 #48
Not sure what thread you're reading but the one I read has some people dumping on fundamentalism. Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #51
I'm reading the same thread you are leftynyc May 2013 #52
A minute ago you were looking for something more recent than 4years ago, Egalitarian Thug May 2013 #60
Try and keep up leftynyc May 2013 #140
But they do help make the social and legislative climate more hostile to LGBT folks, nomorenomore08 May 2013 #71
I am defending reality. former9thward May 2013 #72
Okay, point taken. We're "not as a bad as them" (in this respect). nomorenomore08 May 2013 #75
Can you name the countries where "gays are hanged and women stoned" please? Turborama May 2013 #122
That's a softball question Separation May 2013 #126
No, it isn't. Only* one of those countries (Iran) has hanged gay people recently Turborama May 2013 #128
http://m.ranker.com/list/7-worst-capital-punishments-for-being-_illegally_-gay/joanne Separation May 2013 #132
Links don't work in post titles Turborama May 2013 #143
Yes, it is -- Women continue to be stoned and beheaded in Iran and other Islamic countries. whathehell May 2013 #159
The Taliban were stoning women in Afghanistan before we threw them out. former9thward May 2013 #173
Fundies in the US WANT to be able to stone to death anyone they think isn't following their god, kestrel91316 May 2013 #78
Exactly. nt Pale Blue Dot May 2013 #94
BS Niceguy1 May 2013 #139
Thank you . n/t whathehell May 2013 #160
American fundies are responsible for the Iraq War and a hole host of other atrocities Downtown Hound May 2013 #167
Oh please...Now you're a mind reader? whathehell May 2013 #157
Yes, dragging homosexuals to death behind cars is much better jberryhill May 2013 #79
Bang on. The whataboutery that always surfaces is contemptible. snagglepuss May 2013 #84
No, they have less photogenic ways of killing people they dislike Scootaloo May 2013 #127
True, but there are some of them who would gladly unleash world conflagration in the name Skidmore May 2013 #142
^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller May 2013 #149
Probably more like the Boston bombers: self-radicalized. CJCRANE May 2013 #13
Bachmann beheaded people? Whom, and when? Call the FBI. nt Dreamer Tatum May 2013 #32
american fundementalists are disney actors. galileoreloaded May 2013 #54
I could be wrong, but I suspect that higher living standards and relative social cohesion nomorenomore08 May 2013 #73
yep. people here bitch, but they dont know. nt galileoreloaded May 2013 #74
Hardly a reason to take our eyes off our own fundies, though. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #77
+1 JustAnotherGen May 2013 #151
The 9/11 hijackers were from affluent families, most of them geek tragedy May 2013 #83
But that may well be the exception that proves the rule. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #86
The USA is on the short list of more extreme wealth disparities. Quantess May 2013 #124
I realize that. We do have the highest disparity, by far, of "developed" nations. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #129
Oh and BTW, Quantess May 2013 #133
I didn't think you were. nomorenomore08 May 2013 #134
It was tougher than I thought to find either Saudia Arabia or United Arab Emirates Quantess May 2013 #131
That is a good point. hrmjustin May 2013 #104
They have not killed people although I think Bachmann has the potential to kill. hrmjustin May 2013 #102
Sharia Law Kills Gays and Women Mango40 May 2013 #156
Post removed Post removed May 2013 #14
What a trollish first post BeyondGeography May 2013 #18
Jurors got it right this time. Good. uppityperson May 2013 #23
its weird how so many of these lunatics seem attracted to and drawn in to the muslim religion quinnox May 2013 #21
Oh fer crying out loud, Christianity has had it's moments. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #24
true, but I'm talking recently, not ancient history quinnox May 2013 #27
I must have missed those by Christians in the US. nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #28
You might have, and that's understandable, as those perps were a tad less open & brazen about it. whathehell May 2013 #33
Apparently you aren't familiar with the Church of the Aryan Nation. Cleita May 2013 #81
That's an intrinsically flawed understanding. Spider Jerusalem May 2013 #82
What ?? What ?? jessie04 May 2013 #170
To paraphrase a poster up thread, got anything more recent than 600 years? whathehell May 2013 #37
+1 Libertas1776 May 2013 #40
I used "pathetic" leftynyc May 2013 #44
Agreed. Thanks. n/t whathehell May 2013 #68
Anders Breivik, the LRA... CJCRANE May 2013 #49
Keep searching, lol. whathehell May 2013 #67
I'm not searching. It's not my job to knock down CJCRANE May 2013 #70
Whatever. whathehell May 2013 #85
Okay, let's say I reel off a litany of points and examples... CJCRANE May 2013 #90
If you could have done it, you, or some other nervous PCer here would have. whathehell May 2013 #105
You just missed the point of my post. CJCRANE May 2013 #119
Nope, you missed mine whathehell May 2013 #150
Islamic fundamentalism has been raging since Muhammed died in 632 with the Shia/Sunni split riderinthestorm May 2013 #113
I was talking about the 20th century particularly the 60s and 70s. CJCRANE May 2013 #120
I don't understand your last two sentences. Are they a seque for something that I missed? riderinthestorm May 2013 #169
I'm talking about terrorism before the 1980s and after the 1980s. CJCRANE May 2013 #171
I aplologize that reality interferes with your religous views. jeff47 May 2013 #53
Much of that has been caused by Christian fundies LuvNewcastle May 2013 #57
Bullshit. whathehell May 2013 #88
All the bigotry and ignorance they preach does at least LuvNewcastle May 2013 #101
Yeah, right, LOL. whathehell May 2013 #109
I really don't see anything funny. LuvNewcastle May 2013 #116
I'm sure you don't.. whathehell May 2013 #117
LOL...I don't have any "religious views" -- I'm agnostic. n/t whathehell May 2013 #65
I apologize that reality interferes with your need for political correctness. whathehell May 2013 #69
It's so unimportant to you that you replied multiple times? jeff47 May 2013 #115
Oh my. You are desperate, aren't you? whathehell May 2013 #118
Sorry, but your thesis is that Christians don't do this kind of thing jeff47 May 2013 #121
Sorry, but I presented no "thesis" of the kind, lol, and In fact, if you read whathehell May 2013 #147
Islam is about 700 years younger than our locally preferred version of the same fiction... Democracyinkind May 2013 #153
That's nice. whathehell May 2013 #174
I'd say it's fairly clear it's mostly the other way round - Islam is a cause, not just an attractor. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #30
There's something else going on here... CJCRANE May 2013 #38
I agree, and it is "religion" independent nadinbrzezinski May 2013 #43
Islam desperately needs its own Reformation. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #61
I don't know, if you look at the "Arab Spring" that was mostly started by liberals CJCRANE May 2013 #63
Very good observation. Lizzie Poppet May 2013 #64
Yup, Wahhabi Islamic extremists. roamer65 May 2013 #97
i like wahhabi covered peanuts arely staircase May 2013 #163
Incredible backwards logic CrawlingChaos May 2013 #89
No, what you have said makes no sense to me. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #92
It makes no sense to say that terror begets terror? CrawlingChaos May 2013 #95
It makes no sense to say the West commits "massive terrorism" or call this "retaliatory". Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #123
staggering, EPIC bullshit CrawlingChaos May 2013 #136
Are you kidding? Tens of thousands Iraqis slaughtered by the U.S. Arugula Latte May 2013 #168
Terrorism does not just mean "anything bad I want to make a point about". Donald Ian Rankin May 2013 #172
No, I'll tell you what's weird Scootaloo May 2013 #130
Did I miss the Blame Party 4Q2u2 May 2013 #22
Have the attackers been identified yet? Blue_Tires May 2013 #34
No, exceptionally little information right not except, unusually, a large amount of on-scene... Poll_Blind May 2013 #35
I'm watching the BBC livestream now... Blue_Tires May 2013 #36
If you mean named, no leftynyc May 2013 #45
omg Marrah_G May 2013 #50
We have a saying here in PA Dutch land: "Too soon old; too late schmart." WinkyDink May 2013 #55
It's fucking amazing Fgiriun May 2013 #59
They feed off each other. CJCRANE May 2013 #62
Wow! I just saw this on Al J. Cleita May 2013 #76
The first sentence is certainly misleading. When I asjr May 2013 #87
"You people?" Rosa Luxemburg May 2013 #93
Sick-minded individuals everywhere. Will they ever stop? Amonester May 2013 #96
Nnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive May 2013 #100
Disagree if you want. roamer65 May 2013 #98
Warped fundy scum should be annihilated from the Earth. tabasco May 2013 #103
Religion is poison. roamer65 May 2013 #108
Blaming "religion" for atrocities like these, is like blaming "government" for Nazi death camps. whathehell May 2013 #111
The riots are starting in Woolwich. roamer65 May 2013 #107
The EDL took to the street in huge numbers. MADem May 2013 #141
"You people?" Well, that is just rude. nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #110
Those two crusaders just drove millions of people into the "nuke them all" camp. Marr May 2013 #112
naturally, because there are only two effective ways to make it stop tiny elvis May 2013 #138
What a horrific act - but I have to ask a question malaise May 2013 #144
A crusade is nothing more than a Christian jihad, and LuvNewcastle May 2013 #145
And it was deliberate malaise May 2013 #146
Please...The ":Crusades" were over several hundred years ago, despite whathehell May 2013 #152
Tell it to the hundreds of thousands of people who LuvNewcastle May 2013 #154
Nah.. whathehell May 2013 #155
You haven't shown shit, LuvNewcastle May 2013 #158
I have, actually, and smilies actually do help those lacking reading comprehension skill. whathehell May 2013 #161
We won't, of course, ever be "safe" n2doc May 2013 #148
It's almost as if, with endless drone warfare (terrorism) against multiple Muslim nations Fire Walk With Me May 2013 #162
America has a special talent for finding enemies. LuvNewcastle May 2013 #165
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
1. Jesus fucking Christ.
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:33 PM
May 2013

That is one messed-up dude.

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[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
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Response to snagglepuss (Reply #3)

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
39. I never thought I would consider my martial arts training in Japanese sword
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:28 PM
May 2013

to have a practical use in defense. I used to view it as something I use to stay limber and keep toned.

Now, going to Europe twice a year....

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
66. Yeah, that's kind of depressing. Always be prepared, I suppose.
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:41 PM
May 2013

I sometimes imagine horrible things happening to my daughters so that when something horrible does happen, I can deal with it. Not quite the same thing but close.

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[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
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Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
91. Very true, not like I imagined donning my hakama and striding around the city
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:45 PM
May 2013

Last edited Wed May 22, 2013, 07:25 PM - Edit history (1)

looking for a fight

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
125. I started out with legitimate DVDs eventually, with all my moving around, found a good Dojo
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:37 AM
May 2013

Last edited Thu May 23, 2013, 04:07 AM - Edit history (1)

in which to train, then have made a habit of going to Iaido training camps:




Here:

This is a great resource/organization to get involved with. I belong to it, as I practice Kendo too.
http://auskf.info/index.htm

One thing to keep in mind, is your participating in history. Kendo and Iaido are around 850 years old. Its both deadly and has artistry at the same time.


tiny elvis

(979 posts)
137. which trogs on which society?
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:43 AM
May 2013

are these lunatic barbarians with imagined grievances?

unpretty homemade bombs are sickening cancer
mass produced bombs from the air are a policy dispute

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
9. "in our land..."
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:48 PM
May 2013

Anyone care to guess the number of people in England who are responding to that little gem with some variant of "feel free to fuck right back off to your 'land' then, asshole."

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
11. Sorry, white man's burden and all that.
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:57 PM
May 2013

Or to put it more nicely, the legacy of colonialism. If you didn't want all those darkies and Pakis coming there, maybe you should have stayed out of their lands in the first place.

Also a result of British government policies of opening the metropole to the colonials after World War II. (I happen to be reading a history of cannabis in Britain right now; that post-World War II opening also ushered in the age of cannabis in the UK. The colonials brought their habits with them.)

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
20. Yes, but it didn't really break out until the post-war era.
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:40 PM
May 2013

The book looked at early arrest records; they were mainly Arabic and Asian seamen on shore leave.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
29. I initially thought you referred to "cannibals", not cannabis.
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:09 PM
May 2013

I hadn't realized England was having a cannibal problem...

JHB

(37,148 posts)
99. I don't think too many English now living had a choice in that matter...
Wed May 22, 2013, 07:50 PM
May 2013

...and certainly not the now-deceased victim.

Archae

(46,291 posts)
10. One thing in common with people here in the US like Bachmann...
Wed May 22, 2013, 02:56 PM
May 2013

The key word here:

Fundamentalism.

Warren Jeffs and his cult, Fred Phelps' "God hates fags" cult, Pat Robertson, and so on.

Fundamentalist religion.

I used to be in a Fidonet (pre-Internet) group called "Holysmoke," which was described as a "religious food fight."

But just look at the posters in that group, the ones who are/were obviously fundies.

http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/quotes.htm
http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/quotes.htm

Obviously, the 1rst Amendment lets fundies be fundies.

But it also lets me say they are divisive troublemakers.

former9thward

(31,913 posts)
12. False equivalency.
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:01 PM
May 2013

Fundies in this country are not beheading random people on the street. Why people think they have to turn logic into a pretzel to defend Islamic terrorists I don't know.

Archae

(46,291 posts)
16. Scott Roeder is a fundy.
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:11 PM
May 2013

Fundy Christian, who shot and killed Dr Tiller.

It doesn't matter what faith, or where they are.

Fundies cause trouble.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
42. Anders Breivik thought he was some kind of Knight Templar.
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:32 PM
May 2013

There is a more interesting discussion to be had about stochastic terrorism and why extremist propaganda is allowed to proliferate...but it probably won't happen.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
47. It'll make for an interesting discussion
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:37 PM
May 2013

but it's not really something that can be regulated - those who really want to will find a way to skirt the rules, the lines will be drawn in places that will no doubt piss off some group.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
26. Yeah sure, but he didn't behead him so it doesn't count.
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:06 PM
May 2013

Couple that with the fact that Scott looks like "regular people" and you can see how there's no comparison...
















 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
41. If you're going to do the
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:31 PM
May 2013

magical balance fairy thing I'm going to ask you the same question I asked above - do you have anything more recent than 4 years ago to hang on the fundy Christians and would you like to see a side by side list of atrocities done in the name of religion by fundy crazies? Why people here feel the need to dump on Christianity every time something like this comes up is beyond me. It's pathetic.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
58. I didn't say "forced". I implied "influenced". Look at "Rwanda Radio"
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:02 PM
May 2013

look at Nazi propaganda. Human minds are malleable and some weak people can be convinced to dehumanize others.

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
48. Yeah, fundies usually limit themselves to
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:41 PM
May 2013

mentally abusing their kids and encouraging bigotry against various kinds of people who aren't like them. You know, harmless stuff.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
51. Not sure what thread you're reading but the one I read has some people dumping on fundamentalism.
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:43 PM
May 2013

Feel free to pretend that your brand of fundamentalist psychopathy is better than their brand of fundamentalist psychopathy if you like, but from where I sit they're all psychopaths and the world would be a better place without any of them.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
52. I'm reading the same thread you are
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:46 PM
May 2013

Only I see (once again) a story about islamic fundies being ridiculously compared to the crusades because some people here can't seem to bring themselves to dump on islam the same way they dump on christianity.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
60. A minute ago you were looking for something more recent than 4years ago,
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:06 PM
May 2013

now we're back to the crusades. Oh well, I've never been able to understand the passion for delusion. Carry on...

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
140. Try and keep up
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:09 AM
May 2013

Different people are talking about different things. I asked for something more recent, somebody brought up the crusades (not me, that's a ridiculous comparison). Delusion is not seeing that the problem today is fanatical islam.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
71. But they do help make the social and legislative climate more hostile to LGBT folks,
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:52 PM
May 2013

sexually active women, and ultimately, anyone who isn't them. Which in a sense could be considered a form of low-level terrorism.

And this isn't even getting into clinic bombers, hate vandals, gay bashers. Just because we may not have people literally beheaded in the street, over here, doesn't mean we don't have a problem.

Of course the man described in the OP is a psychopath, and a piece of shit. You really think anyone in their right mind is going to "defend" him? By that logic, I could flip it around ask you why you're defending fundie Christian assholes.

former9thward

(31,913 posts)
72. I am defending reality.
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:58 PM
May 2013

There are many countries where sharia law applies and gays are hanged and women stoned. There is no country or state where fundies rule and gays are not being hanged and women stoned. That is reality.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
75. Okay, point taken. We're "not as a bad as them" (in this respect).
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:07 PM
May 2013

But the fact remains that our own home-grown variety of fundie is far from harmless. Just look at what's happened in Oklahoma, Kansas, Mississippi, in recent years - in some ways it is scarily close to a Christian version of Sharia. You don't need to have people literally stoned or hanged, to have a form of theocracy. And all theocracies are inherently oppressive to their citizens/subjects.

Separation

(1,975 posts)
126. That's a softball question
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:39 AM
May 2013

A good portion of Africa, Iran, Afghanistan. Not sure about Saudi Arabia as I haven't heard a story come out of there on the subject lately.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
128. No, it isn't. Only* one of those countries (Iran) has hanged gay people recently
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:49 AM
May 2013

And none of them are "stoning women".

(Africa isn't a country, btw, and saying "a good portion of it" is too vague.)

The post said "many countries" doing both those things (a false anti-Islam meme that often crops up on DU), so far one country doing one of those things has been named.

*To clarify, I don't mean "only" as in it's ok because it's just 1 - 1 is too many. I mean only 1 as compared to "many".

Separation

(1,975 posts)
132. http://m.ranker.com/list/7-worst-capital-punishments-for-being-_illegally_-gay/joanne
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:05 AM
May 2013

The following are countries that find homosexuality punishable by death: Mauritania, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Somalia, United Arab Emirates, Somalia, parts of Nigeria and parts of Malaysia

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
143. Links don't work in post titles
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:08 AM
May 2013

And what is this source?

Here's one for you. There are no penalties for being gay in the largest Muslim country in the world.

Still nothing on women being stoned. Not surprising, but sad that DUers have to use such toxic lies to try and prove something.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
159. Yes, it is -- Women continue to be stoned and beheaded in Iran and other Islamic countries.
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:46 AM
May 2013

As a simple google search will tell you.

http://www.google.com/search?q=stoning+women+for+adultery&sitesearch=

Oh gee, and what do we have here? -- A report of a Saudi woman being recently beheaded for "Sorcery".


former9thward

(31,913 posts)
173. The Taliban were stoning women in Afghanistan before we threw them out.
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:42 PM
May 2013

I visited a stadium in Kabul in early 2002 where the women were taken and crowds from the city were ordered in to watch the "events". The Taliban will do it again when we leave.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
78. Fundies in the US WANT to be able to stone to death anyone they think isn't following their god,
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:12 PM
May 2013

and in the right way, of course. Sometimes they murder people who aren't of their ilk merely because they aren't of their ilk.

Tiller's killer, the Atlanta Olympics/abortion clinic bomber, that sort.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
139. BS
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:00 AM
May 2013

As a group the there is no credible evidence to support your claims. American fundies don't even compare to the islamist radicals that are runnjng amuck right now.

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
167. American fundies are responsible for the Iraq War and a hole host of other atrocities
Thu May 23, 2013, 12:49 PM
May 2013

So you're right, they're not the same. They're actually much, much worse than Islamic ones.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
157. Oh please...Now you're a mind reader?
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:39 AM
May 2013

Even if true, "wants" don't count -- Actions do.

Keep trying, though.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
127. No, they have less photogenic ways of killing people they dislike
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:47 AM
May 2013

It's not a defense, it's simply pointing out that two wild-eyed lunatics murdering one guy for whatever insane fucking reason their waffles told them to take up that morning, are still just a pair of worthless, meaningless two-bit criminals in the face of people who enact lethal policies that affect hundreds of thousands, and do so under the pretext of "serving the people's interest."

Michelle Bachman's never lopped anyone's head off. She just wants other women to die from ectopic pregnancies, botched DIY abortions, and oh yeah, is a staunch pro-war, anti-medicine policymaker. Thus, she has - and exercises -the power to make it happen.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
142. True, but there are some of them who would gladly unleash world conflagration in the name
Thu May 23, 2013, 05:36 AM
May 2013

of Armageddon and not bat an eyelash. There is no difference. THe only difference is that here the state keeps a lid on it and does not actively sponsor fundamentalist religious claptrap although there has begun a rapid blurring of the church-state separation.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
13. Probably more like the Boston bombers: self-radicalized.
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:03 PM
May 2013

Youtube and social networking makes it easier to spread extremist propaganda to susceptible minds.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
73. I could be wrong, but I suspect that higher living standards and relative social cohesion
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:02 PM
May 2013

are more responsible for the difference, than choice of religion per se. For instance, see the activities of American Christian fundies in Uganda - one of the poorest, most conservative countries on Earth - where they've engaged in open, blatant hate-mongering in a way they mostly wouldn't get away with over here.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
77. Hardly a reason to take our eyes off our own fundies, though.
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:12 PM
May 2013

Guys like Todd Akin, at their core, are as "primitive" and chauvinistic in the way they think, as any extremist imam. And I'm sure they wouldn't hesitate, given the chance, to impose their own wacko Christian version of Sharia.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
83. The 9/11 hijackers were from affluent families, most of them
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:23 PM
May 2013

Saudi.

Say what you will about Saudi Arabia, but a lack of social cohesion and low living standards are not its problems.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
86. But that may well be the exception that proves the rule.
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:31 PM
May 2013

And S.A. has one of the highest, if not the highest, wealth disparities in the world.

When I alluded to lower living standards and social unrest, I meant the Middle East as a whole. And I was suggesting that, under comparable conditions, American Christian fundies might behave in a similar fashion.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
124. The USA is on the short list of more extreme wealth disparities.
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:35 AM
May 2013

I'll go try to find a good graphic or a link...

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
129. I realize that. We do have the highest disparity, by far, of "developed" nations.
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:50 AM
May 2013

Which makes us all the more vulnerable to religious extremism, in my book.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
133. Oh and BTW,
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:07 AM
May 2013

I wasn't trying to start an argument, I just wanted to see for myself. UAE must not be included on the same lists as the USA and other OECD countries...?

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
131. It was tougher than I thought to find either Saudia Arabia or United Arab Emirates
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:53 AM
May 2013

listed anywhere in a gini coefficient. Oh, well, here's one anyway.

http://geo-mexico.com/?p=5044

Response to JaneyVee (Original post)

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. Oh fer crying out loud, Christianity has had it's moments.
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:01 PM
May 2013

Inquisition and crusades come to mind, just as witch hunts.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
27. true, but I'm talking recently, not ancient history
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:06 PM
May 2013

Its cold fact, many modern day attacks and terror are perpetrated by fanatics who seem to be drawn to the Muslim religion today.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
28. I must have missed those by Christians in the US.
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:09 PM
May 2013

On clinics no less, or gays, like Mathew Shepard.

Fanatics are horrid, no matter what day of the week they pray.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
33. You might have, and that's understandable, as those perps were a tad less open & brazen about it.
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:18 PM
May 2013

Murders under cover of darkness, sure...Beheadings in broad daylight in the street?

Not so much.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
81. Apparently you aren't familiar with the Church of the Aryan Nation.
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:18 PM
May 2013

This armed, neo-Nazi, religious organization of White Supremacists are Christians who honor Nordic Jesus, Jewish Jesus not so much. They have killed people including little children in the past two decades. Look it up.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
82. That's an intrinsically flawed understanding.
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:21 PM
May 2013

They aren't "drawn to" the Muslim religion; in most cases, they are Muslims, from historically and culturally Islamic societies. That's like saying the IRA were "fanatics who were drawn to the Catholic religion".

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
37. To paraphrase a poster up thread, got anything more recent than 600 years?
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:24 PM
May 2013

The backward bend in the interest of pc points looks painful, not to mention embarrassing.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
49. Anders Breivik, the LRA...
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:42 PM
May 2013

There are probably other examples. It's not my job to find them because I'm not here to knock down Christianity, just to point out that no culture has a monopoly on extremism.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
70. I'm not searching. It's not my job to knock down
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:50 PM
May 2013

Christianity, America or the West.

And it's not false equivalence. Those are examples of atrocities justified by a combined religious and political motivation.

Islamic fundamentalism as we know it is a relatively knew phenomenon. It grew to prominence in the 80s. Before that terrorism in that part of the world was inspired by marxism and nationalism. And in the western world terrorism was political (marxist or fascist) rather than religious.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
90. Okay, let's say I reel off a litany of points and examples...
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:42 PM
May 2013

what's that going to achieve?

For instance...

What religious word did GWB use to describe the war on terror?

What did his supporters believe the war on terror and the Iraq War was really about?

What did a conservative General say about the war on terror?

What did George Bush say to President Chirac about who or what motivated him to start the Iraq War?

You see, it doesn't really achieve anything to dehumanize one side or the other. When you let the extremists make you angry against a whole group of people you become a pawn in the game of divide and conquer.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
105. If you could have done it, you, or some other nervous PCer here would have.
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:03 PM
May 2013

The fact is, you really can't. Sure, there are a few murdering, off the wall Christians in this

and other countries, but the numbers and the brutal "means" just don't equate.

Saying that one is attempting to "dehumanize" one side or another" for pointing that out

just seems silly. Facts are facts.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
119. You just missed the point of my post.
Wed May 22, 2013, 10:04 PM
May 2013

If you answered the questions I posed you would see what I'm getting at.

The majority of GWB's supporters are fundie christians who supported the war on terror and the Iraq War as a religious war. Many of the abuses in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib were religion-based.

During the Bush era I read a poll which said 85% of troops in Iraq believed Iraq was behind 9/11. I've read interviews where they believed they were their to avenge 9/11 and many of them thought it was a war against Islam, see General Boykin for example.

The problem is propaganda that dehumanizes people on both sides. Don't fall into that trap.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
150. Nope, you missed mine
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:33 AM
May 2013

and the answers to your questions, while easy, don't support your claim.

To believe that the "majority" of GWB's supporters were "fundie christians" you must be under the delusion

that a little more than HALF of the US population (the number that re-elected him in '04) were "fundie christians".

Sorry, bro, but that's delusional. The number of "fundamentalist christians" in this country is nowhere NEAR that high.

Yes, I know idiot Bush called the Iraq War a "crusade", but no one besides bin Laden and a few crazed fundies

here ever believed that. Most of us believed it to be about either oil, terrorism, or both.

The fact that 85 percent of troops in Iraq believed Iraq was behind 9/11, speaks to ignorance of facts,

not religious indoctrination, your infinitesimal number who believed it was a "war against Islam", not withstanding.

I hardly need a "warning" regarding propaganda as I'm a senior citizen who has seen, heard, and

lived more history, American and otherwise, than you can probably imagine.


 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
113. Islamic fundamentalism has been raging since Muhammed died in 632 with the Shia/Sunni split
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:42 PM
May 2013

The sectarian violence by Islamic fundamentalists on both sides has been a constant battle - with outright pitched battles buttressing low level terrorism on both sides in between.

Then there are periods such as the Ottoman empire where the fundamentalist terrorism and level of atrocity are notoriously well documented.

All of this is religious - certainly nothing to do with Marxism or nationalism.

And FWIW, I'd quibble also with your categorization of "western world" terrorism as either marxist or fascist solely... The American revolution was certainly sparked by (what the British termed) terrorist episodes like the infamous Tea Party in Boston Harbor... The French revolutionaries could also equally be labelled terrorists and they certainly were not motivated by Marx. Eric Rudolph was motivated by the Christian religion - and there are others but I'm too weary to actually expend a whole lot of brain power on it. Suffice to say there are other counter examples to your statement that solely marxist or fascist imho.

I will say however that in recent history, it really seems as though Islamic fundamentalist terrorism against the "west" appears to be in its own class lately in the frequency and brutality of the attacks.



CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
120. I was talking about the 20th century particularly the 60s and 70s.
Wed May 22, 2013, 10:08 PM
May 2013

If we go back into history there's a lot of blame to go round. The crusades, the conquistadors, the inquisition etc.

And somehow to forget the people who supported the Iraq War as vengence for 9/11 shows your blind spot. There is a whole base of fundamentalist christians who believe the war on terror is a religious war.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
169. I don't understand your last two sentences. Are they a seque for something that I missed?
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:01 PM
May 2013

I don't dispute your point that there's blame on all sides. That wasn't what I was quibbling about. My post was about the motives you were assigning to the roots of the violence.

I was disagreeing with your point that Islamic terrorism is/has been primarily Marxist or nationalistic. Or that western terrorism has been motivated primarily by fascism or marxism.

I have no idea if its true that fundies believe the war on terror is a religious war (do you have a link for that?), or that people who supported the Iraq War were motivated primarily by vengeance for 9/11, but those two examples disprove your very own position from post #70.



CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
171. I'm talking about terrorism before the 1980s and after the 1980s.
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:09 PM
May 2013

"The Mujahideen" was created in the 80s in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets.

Before that arab terrorists were mostly influenced by socialist and secular ideas (during the 20th century).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nationalism

"Personalities and groups associated with Arab nationalism include Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser, the Arab Nationalist Movement, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, the Arab Socialist Ba'ath Party which came to power in Syria and Iraq for some years, and its founder Michel Aflaq. Pan-Arabism is a related concept, in as much as it calls for supranational communalism among the Arab states." My bold.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Arabism

" Its popularity was at its height during the 1950s and 1960s.Advocates of pan-Arabism have often espoused socialist principles".

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
53. I aplologize that reality interferes with your religous views.
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:48 PM
May 2013

Wanna talk about the Christians slaughtering gays in Africa? Or does that not count because it's in the 'wrong' part of the world?

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
57. Much of that has been caused by Christian fundies
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:01 PM
May 2013

in America exporting their bigotry. Also, there's no telling how many gay teens have committed suicide because of bigoted fundy teachings taught to them and their peers. The equivalency isn't false; we could sit around all day discussing what Christian fundy bigotry is doing around the world. American fundies cause just as much misery as Islamic fundies, they just don't set off bombs, at least not usually.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
88. Bullshit.
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:38 PM
May 2013

"American fundies cause just as much misery as Islamic fundies, they just don't set off bombs, at least not usually".

No, and you're unlikely to catch them cutting off heads in the middle of the street, either.

Try again.

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
101. All the bigotry and ignorance they preach does at least
Wed May 22, 2013, 07:58 PM
May 2013

as much damage as bombs set off by Muslims. Fundies mentally abuse their kids and are major contributors to homophobia and misogyny in America and around the world. And they are currently causing deaths in other countries, most notably in Africa, where they've encouraged hate and murder.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021975645

These things aren't just happening every few years and they aren't just limited to America. Most of what the fundies do is mental abuse, but that abuse most certainly has physical consequences. The Christian fundy ideology is toxic, and the only reason they're more passive is because they're accustomed to being limited by American laws.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
109. Yeah, right, LOL.
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:18 PM
May 2013

You really think that the "mental abuse" of some fundies is on par with getting your HEAD CUT OFF?

Sorry, but when you have to go all the way to Africa to find a traditionally Christian country whose practice

of mysogyny and homophobia could even COMPARE, let alone surpass, that of Muslim countries, you know you're

in trouble.

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
116. I really don't see anything funny.
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:19 PM
May 2013

Mentally abused people often act out physically. The Southern states, where fundy religion has the biggest foothold, have high rates of crime, poverty, and ignorance. MS and LA have the most gun crime in the country. But I guess that's okay since our rednecks didn't decapitate anybody like the evil Muslims did.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
117. I'm sure you don't..
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:26 PM
May 2013

and that, in itself, is kind of funny.

Sorry, bro, it will probably take a few years, but you'll need to learn how to to quit while you're ahead.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
69. I apologize that reality interferes with your need for political correctness.
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:45 PM
May 2013

Last edited Wed May 22, 2013, 06:39 PM - Edit history (1)

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
115. It's so unimportant to you that you replied multiple times?
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:13 PM
May 2013

Yeah, sure. That's entirely believable.

Oh, and was Africa the wrong part of the world, or do you just not give a damn about dead gays?

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
118. Oh my. You are desperate, aren't you?
Wed May 22, 2013, 09:36 PM
May 2013

A. I answered twice.

B. I never said it was "unimportant".

C. If YOU really gave "a damn about 'dead gays', not to mention 'dead women',

You'd do some research on the the number of executions

of members of both of these groups in Muslim countries. .





jeff47

(26,549 posts)
121. Sorry, but your thesis is that Christians don't do this kind of thing
Thu May 23, 2013, 02:44 AM
May 2013

Your claim is that people are being "politically correct" by not only attacking Islamic fundamentalists.

When people point out Christian fundamentalists doing the same thing, you now call them "desperate".

That's a really, really pathetic attempt at defending your claim.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
147. Sorry, but I presented no "thesis" of the kind, lol, and In fact, if you read
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:17 AM
May 2013

post # 105, you'll see that I said this:

"Sure, there are a few murdering, off the wall Christians in this

and other countries, but the numbers and the brutal "means" just don't equate".

Please come back when you learn to think critically and argue intelligently.

A battle of wits with an unarmed opponent is kind of boring. See ya.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
153. Islam is about 700 years younger than our locally preferred version of the same fiction...
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:10 AM
May 2013

Which means - by the logic you use - that Islam has about 100 years left to stop being associated with beheadings in order to keep the comparative moral high ground.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
38. There's something else going on here...
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:27 PM
May 2013

There's an element of the stochastic influence of extremist propaganda on the internet, on youtube and social networking sites

We saw it happen with Anders Breivik and the Boston Bombers. This is probably another example.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
61. Islam desperately needs its own Reformation.
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:08 PM
May 2013

And by "desperately," I mean "bootstrap your asses into the 21st Century or you risk being so incompatible with the rest of the world that genocidal conflict becomes inevitable."

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
63. I don't know, if you look at the "Arab Spring" that was mostly started by liberals
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:20 PM
May 2013

and moderates...but something else has sprung up to hijack it...

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
64. Very good observation.
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:36 PM
May 2013

I remember when the Arab Spring was first getting under way (or at least when the Western press first started covering it). I remember thinking, "this is it...the Islamic Reformation is beginning." Instead, because these movements were in opposition to the existing political power structures (which were often comparatively secular), they tended to get co-opted by regressive Islamist groups who were also in opposition to those regimes.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
89. Incredible backwards logic
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:38 PM
May 2013

Terror begets terror. The West commits massive terrorism against the Muslim world year after year, then acts surprised when this inspires retaliatory terrorist acts. Your conclusion: it must be the fault of Islam.

That actually makes sense to you?

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
123. It makes no sense to say the West commits "massive terrorism" or call this "retaliatory".
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:27 AM
May 2013

The west isn't doing anything that could remotely be called terrorism.

What it is doing is a) fighting against evil Muslim fanatics, with the support of the democratically-elected governments of most of the countries involved, but arguably with less concern for collateral damage than it should (although killing far fewer people that the death tolls suggest) and b) failing to prevent evil Muslim fanatics perpetrating terrorism and murder on a huge scale against other Muslims and blaming the west for their crimes (which is why the civilian death tolls in Iraq and Afghanistan are so high, not because the West is killing people).

If you want to retaliate against people for the bloodshed, you should be targetting the Muslim groups responsible, not the West.

CrawlingChaos

(1,893 posts)
136. staggering, EPIC bullshit
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:18 AM
May 2013

At this point, it's almost surreal to encounter someone spouting these Bush-era fantasies of good and noble bringers of Western democracy vs. crazed Muslim evil-doers. But I certainly understand the nature of your comments now.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
168. Are you kidding? Tens of thousands Iraqis slaughtered by the U.S.
Thu May 23, 2013, 12:56 PM
May 2013

is indeed terrorism.

The fruit of U.S.-committed terrorism looks like this:

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
172. Terrorism does not just mean "anything bad I want to make a point about".
Thu May 23, 2013, 01:22 PM
May 2013

Terrorism means "deliberately killing people with the goal of inspiring terror".

No accident, no matter how tragic or how negligent, is ever terrorism.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
130. No, I'll tell you what's weird
Thu May 23, 2013, 03:53 AM
May 2013

Is that every single time, it's the same cast of DU players who are jumping around pumping their junk like apes discovering astroglide, about how fucking awful Muslims all are.

I guess it's been a month and a half, overdue for DU's monthly descent into becoming Stormfront for a week.

 

4Q2u2

(1,406 posts)
22. Did I miss the Blame Party
Wed May 22, 2013, 03:44 PM
May 2013

I was so hoping to blame some other radical group other than the one that did this. Kind of like DU did for the Boston Bombings.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
35. No, exceptionally little information right not except, unusually, a large amount of on-scene...
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:21 PM
May 2013

...video footage including at least one "interview" with an attacker.

Very odd.

PB

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
55. We have a saying here in PA Dutch land: "Too soon old; too late schmart."
Wed May 22, 2013, 04:50 PM
May 2013

But of course, Islam cannot be culpable.

Fgiriun

(169 posts)
59. It's fucking amazing
Wed May 22, 2013, 05:06 PM
May 2013

how such a barbaric event perpetuated by religious extremists which are generally conservative will assist in bringing about resentment and further advance the conservative agenda.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
76. Wow! I just saw this on Al J.
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:10 PM
May 2013

Chilling. They literally butchered this guy with meat cleavers and knives and then waited for the police to arrive, who shot them, not fatally.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
87. The first sentence is certainly misleading. When I
Wed May 22, 2013, 06:33 PM
May 2013

read it it sounded as if the London attacker spoke after he was beheaded. When I first read it I also thought it was going to be a funny. It is far from that.

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
98. Disagree if you want.
Wed May 22, 2013, 07:48 PM
May 2013

I have no problem with the execution of the perpetrators of this crime. I favor the death penalty in extremely rare circumstances, but this would be one of them.

But in Britain, it won't happen.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
111. Blaming "religion" for atrocities like these, is like blaming "government" for Nazi death camps.
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:22 PM
May 2013

Just a little too general. .

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
107. The riots are starting in Woolwich.
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:13 PM
May 2013

Google them. Makes me pretty much think the goal of these scumbags was to fire up the EDL and get riots going.

EDL = English Defense League (far right extremists)

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
112. Those two crusaders just drove millions of people into the "nuke them all" camp.
Wed May 22, 2013, 08:31 PM
May 2013

I don't know if they were just insane, or insanely devoted religious crusaders, but they didn't do their people any favors here, that's for sure.

tiny elvis

(979 posts)
138. naturally, because there are only two effective ways to make it stop
Thu May 23, 2013, 04:55 AM
May 2013

one is to (kill) them all

the other involves living peacefully within our means

malaise

(268,553 posts)
144. What a horrific act - but I have to ask a question
Thu May 23, 2013, 06:44 AM
May 2013

Are attacks in Muslim countries by Western powers described as Christianist?

History teaches us that 'every little action brings a reaction'!!

malaise

(268,553 posts)
146. And it was deliberate
Thu May 23, 2013, 07:17 AM
May 2013

These folks always need some aggressive ideology to hide the real agenda - looting resources wherever. The so called Communist threat was over and their amorphous use of the word terrorism was a lovely gift box for 'next on the agenda' .

They created the fuel for this very profitable fire.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
152. Please...The ":Crusades" were over several hundred years ago, despite
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:59 AM
May 2013

one dumb president's use of the word ONCE.

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
158. You haven't shown shit,
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:43 AM
May 2013

you've just posted smilies. American fundamentalism and deaths in our overseas adventures are most certainly related. You'd know that if you'd ever attended a fundy church a listened to their sermons like I did as a boy. They garbage they spew directly affects who those people vote for and the wars they support, on t.v. and in church pulpits. But I'm sure I'll be treated to another of you're one-line denials and a smilie again.

whathehell

(29,023 posts)
161. I have, actually, and smilies actually do help those lacking reading comprehension skill.
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:06 AM
May 2013

Sorry, dear..I think we can all see that you've been badly affected by your Fundy upbringing,

and that you're frustrated and angry that you can't convince me that every evil can be attributed to it,

but I can't do psychotherapy or remedial education, so, I'll have to welcome you to the big I list and one more smilie.

Have a nice day.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
148. We won't, of course, ever be "safe"
Thu May 23, 2013, 09:23 AM
May 2013

People die from accidents, from random acts of senseless violence, from all sorts of things. Keep Calm and Carry on. The British have seen far, far worse than the actions of these fuckheads.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
162. It's almost as if, with endless drone warfare (terrorism) against multiple Muslim nations
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:12 AM
May 2013

that the neocon/Military-Industrial Complex system actually =want= to create resentment and enemies to continue funding their power grab.

Want an endless war budget? You're going to need endless war. That requires endless, unexpected enemies.

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
165. America has a special talent for finding enemies.
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:35 AM
May 2013

When communism fell in the USSR, I remember wondering how the world would be changed. I remember people talking about a "peace dividend" at that time. We managed to turn a cold war into a hot war, and now we're on the brink of a world war and economic collapse. After all this time, it looks like we were our own worst enemy. It would be funny as hell if it wasn't so pathetic.

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