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Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:27 PM May 2013

Pope Francis Shakes up the Ambassadors Meeting and Addresses Economic Issues

By Deacon Keith Fournier
5/18/2013
Catholic Online (www.catholic.org)
The West, with all of its promise of freedom, flirts with an instrumentalist materialism devoid of any understanding that the market was made for man not man for the market



The Church's social doctrine holds that authentically human social relationships of friendship, solidarity and reciprocity can also be conducted within economic activity, and not only outside it or after it. As Pope Benedict XVI wrote: "The economic sphere is neither ethically neutral, nor inherently inhuman and opposed to society. It is part and parcel of human activity and precisely because it is human, it must be structured and governed in an ethical manner."

VATICAN CITY (Catholic Online) - On Thursday, My 16, 2013, Pope Francis received four new ambassadors to the Holy See and accepted their credentials. As has been the custom of his predecessors, he used the moment to give address matters of international importance.

He signaled his intention to challenge the very foundations of economic theory itself by reasserting the Catholic contribution that the economy was made for man and not the other way around. His predecessor, Pope Benedict, in his 2009 letter Charity in Truth (Caritas in Veritate) offered seeds for building an economy of communion and gift.

In reading the address of Pope Francis I once was again convinced of the continuity in the election of Francis to succeed Benedict. The Church calls us to a preferential option or, I prefer, a love of preference for the poor; the kind of love which the Lord Himself shows in his very identification with the poor.

The implications of our response to this command are expounded upon in the 25th chapter of the Gospel of St Matthew. This means a demonstrated concern for their well being and the development of a social and economic order which includes them within its embrace and promise of advancement. This is why the Church upholds the dignity of all human work and the basic right to a living, just or family wage.

...The West, with all of its promise of freedom, flirts with an instrumentalist materialism devoid of any understanding that the market was made for man not man for the market. In this kind of mistaken approach to a free market economic order the accumulation of capital can come to be viewed as prior to the flourishing of the person, the family and the common good. In its wake, the poor can be forgotten and peace threatened.

The market economy can be a force for good when humanized and expanded to offer participation to more and more men and women. How to do that will require the work of ...

http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=50994

Considering that the church took 400 years to forgive Galileo, this pope moves at light speed...The Vatican must be totally shock up...a damn good thing
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Pope Francis Shakes up the Ambassadors Meeting and Addresses Economic Issues (Original Post) Katashi_itto May 2013 OP
Again this is nothing new coming from the RCC Elmergantry May 2013 #1
Righhhtt Katashi_itto May 2013 #2
Google the "Catholic view on Capitalism" Elmergantry May 2013 #8
Here you go...Words from the popes over the years regarding capitalism Elmergantry May 2013 #10
Nope nothing, except this pope seems to be backing his words with actions, again 60+ days in Katashi_itto May 2013 #12
What do you mean "nope nothing"? Elmergantry May 2013 #13
"Hehe" Your link, ahhh the ego is strong with this one, as if quoting a few sites Katashi_itto May 2013 #14
Your right Elmergantry May 2013 #16
Hardly, you missed the point entirely, but think what you like Katashi_itto May 2013 #17
the tragedy is that this is news-church should have been doing this for the past thousand years dembotoz May 2013 #3
No argument from me, but at least they can start getting themselves on the right track Katashi_itto May 2013 #4
He does seem to have some good intentions pennylane100 May 2013 #5
60 Days into his Papacy, he shaking the Vatican to it's core. I am inclined to give him the benefit Katashi_itto May 2013 #6
Do you mean regarding the status of women. pennylane100 May 2013 #18
The Catholic Church has been pretty much left-wing on economics since the 1800s. reformist2 May 2013 #9
Yep! NT Elmergantry May 2013 #11
"The poor, the poor, work always for the poor" Recursion May 2013 #7
He took his name from St Francis, you was known for his works amongst the poor Katashi_itto May 2013 #15
 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
1. Again this is nothing new coming from the RCC
Thu May 23, 2013, 10:41 PM
May 2013

I guess this Pope has a way of making it seem that way..

Good for him I guess...

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
8. Google the "Catholic view on Capitalism"
Fri May 24, 2013, 06:55 AM
May 2013

And see for yourself...

Here is what the previous Pope said...


http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1909020,00.html

Saying basically the same thing as Francis

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
10. Here you go...Words from the popes over the years regarding capitalism
Fri May 24, 2013, 08:27 AM
May 2013

Francis hasnt said anything new...

Perphap he just dumbed it down a little


http://www.michaeljournal.org/capitalism.htm

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
12. Nope nothing, except this pope seems to be backing his words with actions, again 60+ days in
Fri May 24, 2013, 08:33 AM
May 2013

and groups want to take the same positions Republicans did when Obama was 60 days in his Presidency

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
13. What do you mean "nope nothing"?
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:00 AM
May 2013


And what "actions" has Frances done other than rehashing what the Church has already said per my link?
 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
14. "Hehe" Your link, ahhh the ego is strong with this one, as if quoting a few sites
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:05 AM
May 2013

makes you an authority... Go Google, you can find several things this pope is doing that sets him apart from the others


I can see this is pointless, so do the searches yourself

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
16. Your right
Fri May 24, 2013, 10:21 AM
May 2013

So silly of me to reference other Popes saying basically the same thing as Frances has proving he is saying nothing new...ohhh sooo silllyy!!!


>>you can find several things this pope is doing that sets him apart from the others.

Like what, wearing a simple cross, not living in the Papal residence? Oh yeah, that ought to fix the caplitalist system!!

>>I can see this is pointless

I think you are right. None so blind as those who refuse to see.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
4. No argument from me, but at least they can start getting themselves on the right track
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:13 PM
May 2013

I like this Francis, Bishop of Rome

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
5. He does seem to have some good intentions
Thu May 23, 2013, 11:38 PM
May 2013

but his church continues to treat women women as second class citizens with no right to control their own bodies and no path to priesthood. True equality for all in the church will never happen.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
6. 60 Days into his Papacy, he shaking the Vatican to it's core. I am inclined to give him the benefit
Fri May 24, 2013, 05:48 AM
May 2013

of the doubt

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
18. Do you mean regarding the status of women.
Fri May 24, 2013, 02:33 PM
May 2013

I would bet a pound to a penny that the changes I mentioned will never happen. However I hope I am wrong.

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