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Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:27 PM

Frum dims his lights & admits GOP must come to their senses

All Good Things...
by David Frum Jun 3, 2013 11:05 AM EDT

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Conservative reformers are understandably allergic to arguments about income inequality…one of the lessons I think conservatives should take from the 2012 Romney defeat is that the increasing concentration of wealth in America has dangerous political and intellectual consequences. [...]

Conservative reformers must not absent themselves from the environmental debate. Humanity’s impact on the climate — and how to address that impact — is our world’s largest long-term challenge. If conservatives refuse to acknowledge that challenge, they only guarantee that the challenge will be addressed in ways that ignore conservative insights and values.

Conservative reformers should make their peace with universal health coverage. It’s the law, and it won’t be repealed. Other countries have managed to control costs while covering everyone, and the US can too. A message of “protect Medicare, scrap Obamacare” reinforces the image of conservatism as nothing more than the class interest of the elderly.

I appreciate that conservative reformers must pay lip-service to shibboleths about Barack Obama being the worst president of all time, who won’t rest until he has snuffed out the remains of constitutional liberty, etc. etc. Dissent too much from party orthodoxy, and you find yourself outside the party altogether. Still … conservative reformers should admit, if only to themselves, the harm that has been done by the politics of total war over the past five years. Now Republicans are working themselves into a frenzy that will paralyze Congress for the next 18 months at least, and could well lead to an impeachment crisis. As it becomes clear that the IRS story is an agency scandal, not a White House scandal, conservative reformers need to be ready to do their part to apply the brakes and turn the steering wheel.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/03/all-good-things.html

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Reply Frum dims his lights & admits GOP must come to their senses (Original post)
kpete Jun 2013 OP
CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2013 #1
libodem Jun 2013 #2
Monk06 Jun 2013 #3
JHB Jun 2013 #7
zipplewrath Jun 2013 #12
samsingh Jun 2013 #19
zipplewrath Jun 2013 #21
riderinthestorm Jun 2013 #4
Iliyah Jun 2013 #5
pansypoo53219 Jun 2013 #6
emulatorloo Jun 2013 #13
ReRe Jun 2013 #8
Demoiselle Jun 2013 #9
ruffburr Jun 2013 #10
silvershadow Jun 2013 #11
navarth Jun 2013 #14
SunSeeker Jun 2013 #15
Lordquinton Jun 2013 #16
1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #17
samsingh Jun 2013 #18
warrior1 Jun 2013 #20
SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #22
blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #23

Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:30 PM

1. I cannot improve on this article.......all I can do is K&R.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 01:46 PM

2. recommended

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:12 PM

3. David is so cute. Right wing extremists are now conservative reformers. Tea baggers are not


conservatives they are destroyers of democracy.

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Response to Monk06 (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:04 PM

7. Yep. Dave seems to have forgotten that conservatives needed to lean heavily on...

...racism, bible-thumping, and hippie-hating to gain their majorities and base of power. The Bill Buckley Fan Club just wasn't big enough to pull it off all by itself, nor were the Initiates of St. Ron.

Now, after working their entire careers to bring about the current state of affairs, they are shocked to find themselves infested with teas.

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Response to JHB (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:57 PM

12. They're wrong

The real problem with the modern American Conservative movement is that it is flat out wrong. I can't think of a single "conservative" issue on which they can claim any evidence of the strength of their position. They've never balanced a budget using "conservative principals". They've never produced long term economic growth using them. They've never conducted a foreign policy that anyone would want to emulate.

Conservatives would have avoided both WWI and II. They hated Nixon going to China. Then they turned around and wanted a stronger policy in Vietnam. They hated detente.

They oppose abortion, they advocate celibacy, they try to legislate morality all the while complaining about the "nanny state".

They want to cut taxes, increase spending, undermine the middle class, and off shore production. NONE of that has "grown the economy" at all and in fact has been shown to weaken us in both a military as well as economic sense. Even their most recent attempt at an "austerity" movement has been shown to be based upon flawed data and to be exactly the opposite of what they propose.

They can't point to a single long term success of anything they espouse, and that includes their attitudes towards environmental "conservation".

They've failed, repeatedly.

And contrast and compare that with liberals. Liberals can claim huge long term successes, everything from Social Security to the union movement. They were right about civil rights, and continue to be right as we move forward with LGBT rights. They're right about the environment. They've managed to balance budgets, and reduce deficits. They've won wars. And the democrats anyway have always been larger than the republicans, and in fact ran congress for 40 straight years, something the GOP has NEVER done.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 4, 2013, 12:14 PM

19. i have come to the conclusion that conservatives are stupid, cowardly, selfish

people who do the wrong thing for society. you are right - they never balance the budget, add to the debt and take away from all but the top 10% of the 1%.

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Response to samsingh (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:05 PM

21. To be generous

In their mind they actually think they're right. Well, alot of them anyways that I know. But there is no small portion of "magical thinking". There is also a healthy dose of "faith based" reasoning as well to much of conservatisim. It's the "it should work this way so it does work this way" kind of reasoning. It's not that liberals can't be guilty of this kind of reasoning (all it takes is education....). However, over the long run, liberals are susceptible to being proven wrong by history. The conservatives consistently and repeatedly will hold to a position, DECADES after they have been proven wrong. Which is why you still get the wackos talking about how the voting rights act was wrong, or Brown vs The Board of Education or something. It's Buchannan saying that we backed the wrong side in WWII. It's Coulter saying that McCarthy was right. Their solution to being proven wrong is to blame the facts.

30 years of creeping conservatism has caused a huge collapse in the middle class, the loss of middle class tax revenues, which has led to the unanticipated reductions in FICA income. But you wont' even find them defending these outcomes, much less explaining them. They'll merely deny them, along with climate science and evolution theory.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:20 PM

4. K&R nt

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:48 PM

5. This man is upset at what?

GOPers created the monster either slay it or embrace.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:50 PM

6. this is the monster HE created.

unintended consequences for semantics boy.

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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:11 PM

13. Was very anti-Palin in 08 and very anti-teabagger

Just setting the facts straight. Was pretty much "ex-communicated" for his stance on Palin extremism.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:08 PM

8. Sorry...

Can't stand the guy. Will never trust a word that comes out of his mouth. We all know that wingers are not going to turn their ship around. But still, thanks kpete for keeping us up on what they're saying..

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:14 PM

9. Bless his little heart.

I've thought for years that he looks very nervous when he opines on television. I think somewhere deep down he may know better...but he also knows where his bread is buttered. Or something.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:36 PM

10. I say-

Don't change a thing right wingers, Keep showing your ASS!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:44 PM

11. With any luck, their period of reflection will last past cut-off for real entry to 2016. nt

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:23 PM

14. Dave will have to do a lot more than this

before I ever forgive him for his part in the Bu$h years.

Hey, Dave....take 'Axis of Evil' and stick it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:24 PM

15. Ok, Dave, I'll bite. What "conservative insights" would address climate change?

A good guy with a gun?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:27 PM

16. Am I the only person who noticed

"been done by the politics of total war"

Indirect Goebbels reference?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2013, 06:19 PM

17. No matter what you think about Frum it is prudent to read what he has to say.

The man is not stupid and he is often quite candid about the failings of his own Party - sometimes ours too.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2013, 12:12 PM

18. frum needs to understand that he must have the integrity to leave today's conservative parties

he can't continue to vote for them and then complain they're not changing.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2013, 12:15 PM

20. the teabaggers in congress

will never let this happen. They are tasting the blood of the "moderate" republicans. McCain, et al., can not get them to get in line. I'm not sad.

This will be the end of the republican party as we know it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2013, 02:21 PM

22. Man, they wait till it's gone so far that Alex Jones is being taken as a serious source

and then start to whine because they look like loonies and fools.

Congratulations Frum, you are one of them. You let this happen, you enjoyed it for awhile, now you can live with it.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2013, 03:43 PM

23. HA HA ! Good luck with THAT !

 

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