In a 2005 poll, 72% of DUers responding said they would heckle Laura Bush

[cali]

if she came to their community.

The over the top hypocrisy on DU never seizes to amuse the hell out of me, darlings.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1801830

And DU was unrelentingly nasty to Laura Bush as First Lady, someone who was, in my opinion, a pleasant rather unoffensive, if boring first lady.

[JaneyVee]

1. Are any of those posters still around? Don't get mad at DU, get mad at the individuals.

Besides, lets not promote toddler behavior by shouting at people when they're talking.

[cali]

2. I'm not mad at DU. And I have no idea if those who responded are still around

my point is simple, stupid partisanship rules.

[JaneyVee]

3. So then who are you claiming is over-the-top hypocritical?

[JaneyVee]

61. Guess I was put on ignore. Oh well.

[donnasgirl]

77. You are put on ignore

When you dare tell the truth and call it as you see it.

[BenzoDia]

105. Then you don't have a point at all. Is this really the extent of political discourse here?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

42. I am still around.

The question to ask yourself is why more of those respondents aren't.

[JaneyVee]

49. How did you vote on the question? The topic here is hypocrisy.

And the reason why more of those respondents aren't is probably because this place is inundated with anti-Democratic party posters on a site called Democratic Underground. They've probably moved on.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

62. No, they were Democratic liberals -

who chose principles over Party -- and they were tombstoned by the dozens in the early years of the Obama Administration because they dared to point out the flawed policies, appointments, and actions taken by the Obama Administration. They were guilty of being as passionate about wrongdoing by O as by Bush. I marched with many of them under a Democratic Underground banner in San Francisco for 8 years -- they were good people who believed in the superiority of modern Democratic principles and polices, and fought like demons to see that the Party didn't drift any further from them. DU is worse for their absence.

I am no hypocrite. I support a citizen's right to engage in political frees speech in the form of heckling of Laura Bush as I support the same right in regards to Michelle Obama.

[JaneyVee]

66. Only one YES voter seems to be tombstoned. The rest appear to be active.

Like I said, probably just moved on. If anyone should be heckled it should be the Republican congress. First lady isn't an elected official, doesn't collect a Govt salary, nor does she write laws or appropriate funding. Might as well heckle your priest.

[pmorlan1]

76. Great post

Thank you for the great post. Sometimes the Truth hurts.

[frylock]

83. word up

[burnodo]

103. +1

nt

[AllTooEasy]

71. I was part of the %28

%72 were WRONG then, and they are still WRONG now. They will be WRONG with the next First Lady. Heckling is rude to the host and annoying to the crowd.

Nice try.

[enlightenment]

106. Interesting.

So who were you in 2005, since in this incarnation you've only been around since 2008?

[RebelOne]

4. To me, she seemed like a fairly decent person.

Her main fault was that she married an asshole.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

45. I agree.

I personally would not have bothered with going after Laura Bush, and I might not go after Michelle Obama, either, though I would certainly giver her a polite earful if I would ever have the chance to see her in person.

[Puzzledtraveller]

5. Thanks for shining a light on it

[deathrind]

6. False Equivalency...

Big difference between starting a war and sending thousands of Americans into said war vs. signing anti discrimination legislation.

Also 72% of 74 total votes is not a very good sample size.

[cali]

8. in a word: horseshit.

that wasn't the question asked and in the threads I found, DUers LOVED any heckling of Laura Bush.

[William769]

12. DU Administrators seem to think only 6 members are required on Jury decision.

74 is a hell of a lot big more sampling. Just saying.

Equality is equality no matter how you slice it.

I want mine and I want it now! Thank you very much.

[Myrina]

22. I don't recall Laura Bush starting a war ...

[Bake]

26. A I don't remember Michelle Obama signing any legislation ...

Bake

[cherokeeprogressive]

46. Which war did Laura Bush start?

[JaneyVee]

63. Who heckled Laura Bush?

[William769]

7. Well said.

The hypocrisy really stinks up the place.

[cali]

9. thanks. just a little research turns up interesting things.

[arely staircase]

35. because it is obviously the same people

[William769]

39. Stupid is as stupid does.

[arely staircase]

43. so where can i find the list

of du poll results from before I became a member so I won't be hypocritical by voicing an opinion different from the one voiced by some other people years ago?

silly ass meta op.

[JaneyVee]

50. Really, now we're calling DU'ers stupid? Ugh. This place is filled with so much "tolerance".

[William769]

55. "This place is filled with so much "tolerance"."

you crack me up!

If you could only take off the blinders long enough to see the hypocrisy in that statement.

[JaneyVee]

56. Where did I call anyone stupid? I'm being tolerant of your opinion. No need for insults.

[William769]

58. Where did I?

I made a statement not directed at anyone. The only one's that would be offended are the one's that fit in the category. That I have no control over.

[JaneyVee]

60. The topic was 'people'. Ugh.

[William769]

64. You say that now that you edited.

Just a FYI: Edits can still be seen.

Have a nice day.

[JaneyVee]

67. Huh? My edit was at 1:54 pm. Your next post wasn't until 1:56 pm. No idea what you're talking about.

Say WHAT now that I've edited?

[phleshdef]

10. To be fair, 72% of 74 DUers responding to a poll 8 years ago said that.

I would hope the vast majority of DUers would have more class than to do something like that.

I wouldn't heckle anyone giving a speech. That's their time. And heckling makes your side look bad, no matter how righteous the cause. Its not an effective way to sell people on your point of view. If anything, it turns more people off from what you have to say.

[cali]

13. I don't think the partisanship on DU has lessened in the intervening years

Far from it.

[arely staircase]

36. but those same people are now being hypocritical?

who?

[Number23]

99. 72% of SEVENTY-FOUR people from 8 years ago??

Damn.

This is almost embarrassing. When any of those folks from 2005 show up, maybe the OP can ask them what's up. My bet is 90% of the folks that voted okay have been tombstoned for various reasons.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. Our first lady is more fragile than their first lady.

Or, something.

[JaneyVee]

16. Do we know if any of those posters followed through with their heckling of Laura Bush?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. Beats me. But, I would have applauded if they had.

[apples and oranges]

72. Fragile? The heckler sure didn't think so

when her ass was shown the door.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

97. Well, an awful lot of people hear seem to think so.

The First Lady (ta-dum) got heckled!! EEK!!

[Poll_Blind]

14. You've got a hell of a point. +1 nt

PB

[geek tragedy]

15. You know what, had Laura Bush done what Michelle Obama did, I'd have tipped

my cap to her.

Heck, W Bush's dodging of that shoe was pretty nifty.

[arely staircase]

37. +1 nt

[TheFutureWillCome]

84. +1 n/t

[Brickbat]

17. K&R

[JustAnotherGen]

18. I'm not being a hypocrite

:lmao: I've only been around since 2007.


Fine - we all want hecklers at events? Great.

But you all better applaud the first lady when she gets in that womans face and PUTS HER IN HER PLACE.

And that is the good that came out of it. Now you know -

She's no shrinking violet - as many of my black sisters are not. We've HAD to be a bit tougher and have thicker skin.


It's okay to heckle - but you damn well better support her for not just rolling over and letting some snot tread all over her.

Enough! Black women are no longer the whipping post of America. Don't like it? Go whip yourself.

[adigal]

25. What does being black or white or yellow or red have to do with this??

The woman heckled her over equal rights for gay people. I have been here a long time, and if Laura Bush had done what Obama did, threaten to take her ball and go home, this crowd would have ripped Bush a new one.

It is the hypocrisy that gets me. It's OK when we do it, but not when they do it. Another example: drone strikes.

I try to judge everyone using the same ruler. I don't care what color they are, or what party they are. When someone is acting like a jerk, that they are a Democrat is not a good enough excuse. And I think MO acted like a petulant child. Not her best day.

[JustAnotherGen]

28. Because

The 'visual' is not lost. Not on me. I wrote what I wrote and I meant it. Because in case you haven't been paying attention? Lately black folks are not exactly welcome around DU. At least our opinions aren't. We are to be patted on the head and told to sit in the corner. By everyone. That includes . . .


The vicious asshole who started it got put in her place.

And me? I'm of the mindset that the first lady is ALWAYS off limits. Always. We were polite to Laura Bush - why can't we be polite to our own. Show me ONE vicious post I made towards Laura Bush. You can't.

[adigal]

30. Well, I didn't say anything vicious, so that is beside the point

I don't think anyone who acts poorly is off limits. These are all public figures. And I don't see black or white - I see right or wrong. Sorry, we will have to just agree to disagree.

[ieoeja]

70. "Another example: drone strikes". I will ask the question I always ask. Name one?

Name one DUer who opposed drone strikes under Bush, but support drone strikes under Obama?

As I recall pacifist threads were an echo chamber under Bush. The relatively few pacifists on DU had a good ole time bashing Bush while most of us ignored those threads because we didn't care about the drone strikes. And we certainly didn't care enough about Bush to defend him.

A lot of DUers do care about Obama, so now they voice their opinion instead of ignoring you. Ignoring you did not mean I agreed with you. It just meant I wasn't going to rain on your parade on a Democratic webpage when I believed you were attacking Bush wrongly.

[Tarheel_Dem]

65. Speak on it, My Sister! I'm just glad Ms. Sturtz didn't get in my face!

[Number23]

101. But 72% of 74 people said they'd do it!1 SEVENTY FOUR PEOPLE!!1one

Won't you PLEASE think of the children??!?

[onpatrol98]

44. We don't worship the Obamas.

We respect people when they are speaking. And the first lady isn't refusing to advance equality. She has, in fact, been very supportive of advancing equality. Which makes the heckling even the more confusing? The hold up is not with Michelle Obama.

The heckler thought she had a soft target. What she was doing was friendly fire? But, she wasn't being friendly.

If she wanted to heckle (which I still think is rude), she could have found people ACTUALLY opposed to equality. Which for the record, isn't Michelle Obama?

She could have picked senators until she turned blue and found perfect targets to make a point. Since, that's where the actual fight would be...in terms of actual legislation.

Heck, I wouldn't have said as much if she had heckled the President with the assumption that he could sign an executive order AND still pushed legislators for legislation. Walk and chew gum.

But, in no reality did targeting the first lady on this particular issue make sense. She was in an event discussing poor children. She can't sign an executive order. She is for advancing equality. The country isn't interested in her pushing legislation. Just ask Hilary about pushing healthcare as a first lady. It wasn't well received.

It was a major fail and didn't help her goal. Sure, it will play well in the media. A food fight within the democratic party. That's not going to move legislation, either.

I can't believe any rational person who had an advanced opportunity to speak with this heckler would have suggested this event with the first lady was the perfect opportunity to make her case. She made a poor choice of venue. It happens.

I think the first lady handled it well. The heckler wanted a spotlight and definitely received one. If that's the only objective. Mission Accomplished.

[lib87]

93. I Agree!

The rude heckler got her her attention and the First Lady rightfully shut her down.

Now the rude heckler can go act 'taken aback' at home.

[Bandit]

21. While I was not one of those polled, Laura Bush is an admitted LIAR and Propagandist

Remember the love poem Bush* supposedly left on her pillow for her...It wasn't real and she admits she only invented it to try and imporve Bush*'s popularity....I have not heard of a single account of Michele Obama Lying to the people...PERIOD

[Texasgal]

23. So?

What's your point?

Got one over DU Cali? Does that make you feel special?

[ieoeja]

73. +1

[randome]

24. You have a point but this was at a private event, not a public one.

I don't mind a protester showing up anytime politics are involved, whether private or public, just making that distinction from Laura Bush. The poll might have read differently if 'private' versus 'public' was in the wording. Or maybe not.

Still, Michelle O has class, regardless of whether it was appropriate or inappropriate. She handled the situation superbly.

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[BlueStater]

27. Well, frankly, I think Laura Bush is more deserving of scorn than Michelle Obama.

She wasn't just bland and offensive. Quite often, she acted as a mouthpiece for Chimpy's agenda. Personally, I found her to be one of the creepiest first ladies ever. As the country fell apart around us all thanks to her idiot husband, she never lost that lobotomized smile of hers.

[graham4anything]

29. This is meta.

Statement of Purpose

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. No posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports unless there is really big news. No conspiracy theories. No whining about DU.

[Puzzledtraveller]

31. tron

[Jennicut]

33. We are capable of hypocrisy. Laura Bush probably had little to no direct influence on her husband.

I think heckling is kind of pointless but can be amusing at times. Michelle Obama was able to deal with it, and the heckler got little done for her cause, which I agree with. I don't see the big deal either way. Just seems kind of pointless not to go directly to those in more power. Some people get frustrated and go to anyone close to the person in power. It's free speech but there are more effective ways to get action.

[Cali_Democrat]

34. Only 74 DUers took that poll. Internet polls of message boards aren't scientific at all.

You cannot say that it represents DU as a whole.

Also, using a poll like that to smear DUers is disgusting.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

38. Let's be blunt.

Most of those respondents have 1) been tombstoned for not following Party line when it comes to Obama or 2) left for more liberal Net grounds.

The remnants here are partisans, personality-driven, or a few hardcore liberals who carefully walk a line in an attempt to maintain a truly liberal presence here.

And yes, the hypocrisy here is sometimes enough to choke a person.

I would have heckled the shit out of Laura if given the opportunity and, if I felt she needed it, I would heckle Ms. Obama.

[ieoeja]

74. Or they got tombstoned because they were the type of people who would have heckled the shit out ...

... of Laura if given the opportunity.

Pieces of shit like that are almost certainly going to be pieces of shit to their fellow DUers as well which would inevitably lead to us tombstoning their fucking asses!

[arely staircase]

40. What other DU poll results from six years before I became a member am I obligated to agree with?

nt

[pmorlan1]

82. You missed the point

The point isn't about being obligated to agree with a poll. lol The point was about partisan hypocrisy. If you agreed it was ok to go after Laura Bush when she was First Lady you can't do a 180 and claim that the First Lady is off base just because it's now a Democrat in the WH. That kind of partisan hypocrisy doesn't go unnoticed and it's very embarrassing to see for anyone with even an ounce of integrity.

[arely staircase]

94. who did that?

who said it was ok to go after L. Bush and then did this 180?

[Life Long Dem]

41. You can't compare the Bush years to Obama's

The difference is that they make up scandals on Obama opposed to trying to keep up with all the Bush scandals. Big diff.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

47. The heck you can't.

On policy, they can very well be compared. And the Administration's actions regarding the AP is not made up.

[Life Long Dem]

53. And who's law is this?

Administration's actions regarding the AP is not made up. I see no laws broken and no scandal. Obama wants the shield law in place, and it's the Republicans who are not complying.

[Sheepshank]

48. 53 people voted to heckle Barbara Bush? that 72% is misleading

I doubt if this is the overwhelming endorsement you are attempting to imply.

there are at least 53 people on DU today that may not personally heckle Michelle, but are ok with her being heckled. I honestly don't get what double standard you are attempting to imply.

gawd!

[onpatrol98]

51. Even calling her boring makes her more exciting that I thought she was.

I forgot she existed most of the time. I'm not being rude or anything. She just didn't make my radar. The families of presidents or vice-presidents seldom make my radar. Even people running for office.

I tend to focus on the candidate or the politician of interest.

[graham4anything]

52. Ya know that poll was NOT on DU, so it is a misrepresentation.It is JERRY SPRINGER's.

the OP is putting that poll/results in and asking what DU thinks.

IT does NOT say it was taken from DU posters.



here is a cut/paste from it-the poll was on JERRY SPRINGER's show.

If Laura Bush came to your community, would you heckle her?

http://www.springerontheradio.com /

Its on a liberal website, but just thought you may want to put your input in. By the way, if you could vote on this poll here I would like to know what DU thinks.

[madrchsod]

54. there were several of us that loved laura....

we used to make fun of the hideous clothes she used to wear. other than that she was pretty much a non descript first lady. personally i felt kinda sorry for her. i think she was`t betting on becoming first lady when she married the dolt.

[demosincebirth]

57. You are so right. The over the top hypocrisy, here, never seams to amaze me too. We call

ourselves tolerant, open minded, caring and all of that good stuff. But don't dare bemuse or talk against anything politically that they hold dearly to their heart.

[awoke_in_2003]

59. If you enter public life, expect hecklers...

it is part of that crazy free speech thing.

[Bluenorthwest]

68. Phelps and Westboro heckeled and demonstrated at about 10,000 LGBT events, many of

them funerals. This went on in all 50 States, for many many years before any non gay group stood up to them in any way. It is very easy to assume that those who are claiming that all interruption is very bad stood aside while thousands of funerals were interrupted by Phelps and crew. They did not write letters to editors about the tactic, they did not organize their own churches to speak against Phelps nor to protect those he attacked over and over and over again.

[apples and oranges]

69. Not buying it. The people who actually responded in comments mostly said No

The rest voted anonymously and could have been trolls for all we know.

[pmorlan1]

75. Thank you

I agree, the over-the-top hypocrisy on DU is stunning and really quite embarrassing.

If you say a policy was bad under George Bush then by god it's just as bad if Obama does it. Shame on you if you let the "D" after someone's name cause you to become principle free and nothing but a tool. Our Democratic leaders need us to help strengthen their spines to do the right thing. They don't need us to become "yes people" who agree with whatever they do no matter what. Jeez, have some respect for yourselves.

[Capt. Obvious]

78. Never "ceases"

[bowens43]

79. I have no problem with the heckling of any first lady or president for that matter...

have at it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

80. Thanks cali. You can always be depended on for intellectual dishonesty. 53 people voted "yes", in

a DU poll, where we can't tell who the voters were, or if they were long term members, or if they're still active members who are advocating a different viewpoint today. Afterall, it was 8 years ago. I've been here, almost from the beginning, and I recognize exactly one name in that thread, and that person lost their posting priveleges some time ago. False equivalencies suck!

[cali]

90. why honeypie. I'm just so hurt

bwahahahaha.

YOU talking about anyone else being dishonest, pumpkin. it's so cute.

[Tarheel_Dem]

96. !!!

[Logical]

102. LOL, yes, because the DU membership all of the sudden changed their whole personality! n-t

[frylock]

81. and they would do the same to Ann Romney..

and will do the same to Columba Bush when Jeb takes office.

[stevenleser]

85. Columba Bush actually has some personal acts that are worthy of protesting

http://www.sptimes.com/News/62299/State/Gov_Bush_says_his_wif.shtml

TALLAHASSEE -- Gov. Jeb Bush said Monday that his wife misled U.S. Customs officials about $19,000 in new clothing and jewelry she brought into the country because she didn't want him to know how much she had spent on her five-day Paris shopping trip.

Forced to explain his wife's actions at the Atlanta airport Thursday, Bush said Monday that the episode had disrupted their family life. His wife, Bush said, feels "horrible about this."

"It was a difficult weekend at our house," Bush said.

On Friday, the Bushes disclosed that Columba Bush had paid a $4,100 fine and was briefly detained by Customs agents for failing to declare merchandise when she arrived at Hartsfield International Airport. With that, the low profile enjoyed by the governor's quiet wife ended. "Shop 'til you drop," read a headline Saturday in the Bush's new hometown paper, the Tallahassee Democrat.

[Puzzledtraveller]

87. I feel sick to my stomach now, thanks

[patrice]

86. This was a private event. If you're in favor of abolishing private property, you should say so. nt

[auburngrad82]

88. There were 74 responses to that poll

Exactly how many members does DU have right now? 75?

[Android3.14]

89. Sorry, but no.

She is a hypocrite.

[HiPointDem]

91. difference between heckling someone at a public event and heckling them in a private home,

dahling.

[patrice]

92. Re stealing a private event: I've been around emo progs who admired stealing as a form of "justice".

Too bad that cost one young fellow I knew a night of gang-rape for not being discriminating enough about whom to steal from.

[HeroInAHalfShell]

95. Well Laura Bush is wrong in everything she says so its ok to heckle her.

But Michelle Obama is right in everything she says so its not ok to heckle her.

DU logic.

[Puzzledtraveller]

98. In a nutshell

[Logical]

100. LOL, Of course we would. The double standard is KING on the DU! n-t

[ProSense]

104. How about a little dripping irony from CODEPINK re Michelle Obama and heckler

How about a little dripping irony from CODEPINK re Michelle Obama and heckler
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022953975

"And DU was unrelentingly nasty to Laura Bush as First Lady, someone who was, in my opinion, a pleasant rather unoffensive, if boring first lady."

Was it anything like the freepers are to Michelle Obama?

The false equivalency of an 8-year-old less than popular poll on DU?

[orpupilofnature57]

107. Funny that polls posters on that discussion board were about 80% wouldn't .

[blue neen]

108. Some posters also didn't believe in Federal gun control in 2006.

They thought it was a "state issue."

[Apophis]

109. Don't you know? It's only okay if they heckle a Republican.