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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNSA Is Collecting Phone Records Of Millions Of Verizon Customers Under Secret Court Order
By Joseph Menn and Sinead Carew
SAN FRANCISCO/NEW YORK (Reuters) The U.S. National Security Agency is collecting telephone records of millions of Verizon Communications customers, according to a secret court order obtained and published by the Guardian newspapers website.
The order marked Top Secret and issued by the U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court directs Verizons Business Network Services Inc and Verizon Business Services units to hand over electronic data including all calling records on an ongoing, daily basis until the order expires on July 19, 2013.
The order can be seen at: http://r.reuters.com/kap68t
Signed by Judge Roger Vinson at the request of the FBI, the order covers each phone number dialed by all customers and location and routing data, along with the duration and frequency of the calls, but not the contents of the communications.
The disclosure comes as the Obama administration is already under fire on other privacy and First Amendment issues. In particular, it is being criticized for a search of Associated Press journalists calling records and the emails of a Fox television reporter in leak inquiries.
Officials at the White House and the NSA declined immediate comment. Verizon spokesman Ed McFadden declined to comment.
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/05/nsa-is-collecting-phone-records-of-millions-of-verizon-customers-under-secret-court-order-report/
COMMENT: No worries...it is 'our people' collecting the info. spit
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Yet?
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)What a shitbag of RW trollery that rag has become. And the haters harf down every morsel.
CharlesInCharge
(99 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)that they have confirmed it from a few different sources first.
CharlesInCharge
(99 posts)The four-page order was disclosed Wednesday evening by the newspaper The Guardian. Obama administration officials at the F.B.I. and the White House also declined to comment on it Wednesday evening, but did not deny the report, and a person familiar with the order confirmed its authenticity. We will respond as soon as we can, said Marci Green Miller, a National Security Agency spokeswoman, in an e-mail.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/us/us-secretly-collecting-logs-of-business-calls.html?hp&_r=0
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)CharlesInCharge
(99 posts)you still dismissing it now that the NYTimes has confirmed it????
The Guardian is center-left/Liberal.
Initech
(100,065 posts)I'm sure all cell phone carriers are guilty of this.
struggle4progress
(118,280 posts)can be expected to make well over a billion phone calls and to send well over 4 billion text messages EVERY DAY
That would be a helluva lotta data to comb through, hoping to find suspicious patterns
The source seems to be Greenwald, who not so long ago was ridiculously claiming the US gummint recorded EVERYBODY's phone calls
... CNN has so far been unable to independently verify the authenticity of the document ...
Report: Secret court order forces Verizon to turn over telephone records of millions
By Chelsea J. Carter, CNN
updated 12:13 AM EDT, Thu June 6, 2013
cui bono
(19,926 posts)is a wacko with this same argument which was rebutted successfully by several others in that thread.
Stop attempting to smear Glenn Greenwald with unsubstantiated ideas.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)More like a Kock water carrier. And he smears himself daily with unsubstantiated fears without help from anyone here.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Find me more than 2-3 people who you agree with every thing they say and do.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)He's a lawyer, remember? Or he used to be anyway.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I think he was disbarred for corruption.
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Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)from right-wing talking points.
"I was never sanctioned or disciplined by any bar, court, or anyone else. I decided voluntarily to wind down my practice in 2005 because I could, and because, after ten years, I was bored with litigating full-time and wanted to do other things which I thought were more engaging and could make more of an impact, including political writing."
Yeah, you're trying to slander him.
Prove he was disbarred.
Also:
"In seven-plus years of political writing, I have written a grand total of twice for Cato: the first was a 2009 report on the success of drug decriminalization in Portugal, and the second was a 2010 online debate in which I argued against former Bush officials about the evils of the surveillance state.
I not only disclosed those writings but wrote about them and featured them multiple times on my blog as it happened: see here and here as but two examples. In 2008, I spoke at a Cato event on the radicalism and destructiveness of Bush/Cheney executive power theories.That's the grand total of all the work I ever did for or with Cato in my life. The fees for those two papers and that one speech were my standard writing and speaking fees. Those payments are a miniscule, microscopic fraction of my writing and speaking income over the last 7 years. I have done no paying work of any kind with them since that online surveillance debate in 2010 (I spoke three times at Cato for free: once to debate the theme of my 2007 book on the failure of the Bush administration, and twice when I presented my paper advocating drug decriminalization).
I have done far more work for, and received far greater payments from, the ACLU, with which I consulted for two years (see here). I spoke at the Socialism Conference twice - once in 2011 and once in 2012 - and will almost certainly do so again in 2013. I'll speak or write basically anywhere where I can have my ideas heard without any constraints. Moreover, I'll work with almost anyone - the ACLU, Cato or anyone else - to end the evils of the Drug War and the Surveillance State. And I'll criticize anyone I think merits it, as I did quite harshly with the Koch Brothers in 2011: here.
The very suggestion that there is something wrong with writing for or speaking at CATO is inane and childish. The claim that it means I 'worked at CATO' is just an obvious lie. If writing for or speaking at CATO makes one a right-wing CATO-employed libertarian, then say hello to the following right-wing libertarian CATO employees, all of whom have been writers for or speakers at the CATO Institute in the past:
Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas (Writing for CATO's Unbound: here and here);
Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden (speaking about surveillance issues at CATO in January, 2011, speaking again at CATO in July, 2012 about FISA, and favorably citing CATO);
Democratic Rep. Jared Polis (defending CATO as "a leader in fighting to end the war in Afghanistan and Iraq and helping to end the War on Drugs" .
the ACLU's Legislative Counsel Michelle Richardson (speaking at the CATO Institute's 2011 event on FISA);
Brown University Professor Glenn Loury (writing for CATO's Unbound);
liberal blogger and Clinton Treasury official Brad DeLong (writing for CATO's Unbound);
Harvard law Professor Lawrence Lessig (writing for CATO's Unbound);
liberal blogger and GWU Professor Henry Farrell (writing for CATO's Unbound)"
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I disagree.
There's nothing there that Greenwald himself didn't mention in what I posted.
Give it up.
And stop misquoting him. He clearly wrote "The very suggestion that there is something wrong with writing for or speaking at CATO is inane and childish," not what you said.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)And did you notice the news lately? Guess Obama is not so innocent after all and Greenwald is no crackpot, as that other poster likes to refer to him.
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Greenwald is a lawyer, and he does work for CATO. So I guess I'm not the " increasingly fucking nutbar" one here.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)You're factually incorrect on multiple points for the purpose of ad Hominem and slander.
And "The Guardian is an espionage front" is just silly.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)And I don't owe Greenwald or any other Koch-funded "libertarian" any loyalty, admiration, the benefit of the doubt or anything else. Why would I? In my view he's a slandering fink. And he's clearly not a Democrat so why would you care what I or anyone else think of Glenn Greenwald? He's a RW clown IMHO. YMMV. Sorry.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)about anyone.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Hissy made showing that you are incorrect and making shit up to try to discredit Greenwald. Were you doing the same when he criticized GWB? Of course you were, right? Links?
And you never produced links showing he was disbarred. Where are those?
Obama has expanded GWB's warrantless wiretapping. It's a fact. It has been known for quite some time now. Deal with it.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Computer programs "listen" to massive amounts of traffic for specific words, phrases... who knows what else.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)to comb through data.
Marr
(20,317 posts)But I know first hand that software is created to listen to large amounts of audio traffic for specific words and phrases.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)long time to go through data.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Of course you need a lot of fishermen inspecting the actual fishes.
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randome
(34,845 posts)[hr]
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)The swiftboats are a-roarin' so hope you'll stick around.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Check this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022954891
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)If you couldn't read that CBS piece and feel the smoke being blown up your bum you should pay closer attention to s4p's threads which are really very good.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)that were no based on any facts. And s4p likes to call Greenwald a crackpot, which is so far from the truth it pretty much ruins s4p's credibility, especially when coupled with his assertions that were based on his/her own ideas that were not based on evidence.
dkf
(37,305 posts)@marcambinder: And document seems absolutely legitimate. I read it to intel official who said "Uh, can't talk about that." #NSA
randome
(34,845 posts)And these 'records' include only phone numbers. They are not recording conversations. I'm interested in seeing the rationale behind this but some are comparing this to 'East Germany' and 'tyranny' and I think that's ludicrous.
Those who want to see the worst possible outlook are gleefully licking their chops and saying, "See? Told you so!"
Let's see what the rationale for this is, first, before getting all hot and bothered.
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SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)Now "they" will know that James & Nicole want to leave team #36, but they don't want their team captain to know that they think he's a jerk, and that's why they want to leave the team..
randome
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Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)The same stuff that's always been available (and still is) from any landline telco switch (which is how they know how much to bill you for long distance calls).
I guess that's why I can't generate a whole lot of righteous outrage about it. Not yet, anyway.
6000eliot
(5,643 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,023 posts)6000eliot
(5,643 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)We are not anymore...
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Relies on the grossly uneducated and mostly uncaring masses to be content with it's bread and circuses. We are in the "know" here for the most part, outside of this is ignorant bliss for the majority of Americans.