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William769
(55,144 posts)MineralMan
(146,286 posts)are disappearing. I remember hearing major speech pattern differences in my extensive US travels in the 1960s. I hear less of it these days. I think the melding is progressing apace. That's probably due in large part to television.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)From our Central Florida Southern accent to New York City accents.
About the same time, a friend of my Dad's from college moved from Michigan to Central Florida and his children had trouble understanding anyone, teachers or students.
On the other hand, when we visited Mom's relatives in Alabama, we had trouble understanding their thick accents.
It wasn't as though we had not been exposed to various speech patterns. Dad's parents were from Escanaba, Michigan, and friends of their from Michigan, Ohio, New York and other northern states often visited in the winter. When I was in high school, one teacher thought I was from the Midwest since I had picked up some of the accents from my grandparents' friends.
I think you're right - television has reduced regional accents. I think I read that most TV news people have Midwestern accents and that seems to be what many people are emulating.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Orrex
(63,203 posts)I don't know if "totally different" is a formal linguistic term, but to me it implies "not inter-compatible," in the way that Mandarin and Swahili are "totally different."
But regional accents with incidental quirks of grammar or vocabulary don't strike me as all that "totally different." And that's speaking as someone who's been asked "yinz red up your closet?"
demwing
(16,916 posts)Please translate: "yinz red up your closet?" into real English.
I'm overcome with curiosity
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)And every new place I go, I get pronunciation tips from the locals to make me sound like less of an outsider.
When I was in Wisconsin, even the city I was in (Green Bay), I was saying wrong (I emphasized Green instead of Bay). When I was in Southwest Virginia, the first thing I learned was that if a town ended in 'ville' it was pronounced 'vul' instead of 'ville' (it was hard to get used to that considering my hometown ends in ville)
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)depending on sentence structure and use of the word.. I'm a blend of the west and the south.
New Mexico its Pop almost right when you get across the border from Texas where they use the word Soda.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)One that I went to camp in as a kid, and car-a-mel (with the extra a in there) is the candy.
I'll always say certain things, and soda is one of them. I'm too much of a northerner to let that go. I have a slight NY accent (grew up in the NYC suburbs) but my parents are not New Yorkers and if we said something like coffee (with 3 syllables) or dog 'dou-og' we would have been corrected and gotten in trouble for it. I will admit to using 'fuhgedaboudit' in my vocabulary.
We People
(619 posts)Never heard of that one!
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)Let me see if I can find something on youtube.
This is the closest I can find
We People
(619 posts)Thanks for going to all that trouble
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)The alternate pronunciation of the candy is CAR-m'l.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)n/t
lapislzi
(5,762 posts)If you say it wrong, the locals will remind you that car-MEL is in California.
And we eat caramels with three syllables.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)PatSeg
(47,399 posts)and Gulfport is "Gufport". Biloxi is "Biluxi".
csziggy
(34,136 posts)It cracked us up every time - and she could not hear the difference between "golf" and "Gulf"!
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)I was in high school and my friends were always trying to teach me the "right" pronunciation for certain words. Once we moved back north, I quickly unlearned everything they taught me.
I had forgotten about the "Golf of Mexico"!!!
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Uptown, it's more like "Norluns".
You just gotta love a city that has internal dialects!
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)So much flavor and personality.
I hate it when people say that -- because I don't think I've ever heard a local say it that way. The closest I've ever heard is na-orlens Pretty much any pronunciation that doesn't put a hard emphasis on the "eans" portion of the word is regularly used.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)And that's certainly what it sounded like to me, or maybe "N'Awlins".
But my ear is not that good so maybe you're right.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Just to cover both bases. I used to call it pop and then I moved to CA where people called it soda.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)When I told people on the East Coast that, they laughed at me. I'm still scarred.
I call it "soda" now (live in Oregon).
Come to think of it, when i lived in Ohio people called it "pop" -- pronounced "paahp" with a slight nasal thing going on.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)No matter what kind it actually is.
Waitress: "What kind of Coke'll you have?"
Diner: "Dr Pepper, please".
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)I guess "Coke" is kind of like generic, like "Kleenex." But it seems confusing to me.
Skeeter Barnes
(994 posts)"I mo git me a co drank"!
Buns_of_Fire
(17,174 posts)In formal settings, like when ordering with a Moon Pie, they'll ask for an "RC-Co-Cola".
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Over almost the whole country???
when did this happen?
unblock
(52,196 posts)malthaussen
(17,187 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)but merry?
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)"Marry" has a slightly higher vowel sound than "Mary".
http://dialectblog.com/2011/09/21/marry-merry-mary/
unblock
(52,196 posts)if even those tiny squares in the legend were just a little bigger, that would help!
Prism
(5,815 posts)This one surprised me. When I go to a coffee shop in the Bay Area, there is a better than even chance the barista has no idea what I'm on about when I ask for skim. I have to say nonfat.
Is skim a Midwestern thing?
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)and you probably want to ask for "1% milk".
Lochloosa
(16,063 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Back East, it means a limited-access highway, often an Interstate (Bruckner Expressway in NYC, Jones Falls Expressway in Bawlmer): what Californians would call a freeway.
Out here, specifically here in Santa Clara County, it means a fast but undivided road with relatively few intersections and few if any buildings directly on it: what most folks would call a "parkway" or maybe a "boulevard".
malthaussen
(17,187 posts)Which apparently only exist east of the Mississippi.
-- Mal
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Thanks for playing, though.
In New England, a turnpike can be any old road, even a two-laner, as long as it was an actual turnpike (toll road with turnstiles) way back when.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)malthaussen
(17,187 posts)Shrike47
(6,913 posts)She kept saying the street, 'Balimer'. I kept saying 'could you repeat that?' I finally asked her to spell it. 'B-a-l-t-i-m-o-r-e', making it clear from her tone that I was an idiot.
hollysmom
(5,946 posts)what do you call that thing in a play ground where you climb steps and then slide down?
I grew up calling it a sliding pond. Doesn't make any sense at all since there is no water at the bottom - from what i can see, that is a local aberration to Hudson county, NJ (where my mother came from) - Some people call it a slide,others have called it a slip slide.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)I've never heard the other two.
malthaussen
(17,187 posts)I grew up in Pittsburgh's suburbs, that's what we called it. AFAIK, it didn't change when I moved to Philly -- although the culture shock of changing from "pop" to "soda" nearly did me in.
-- Mal
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)gum band = rubber band
sammich = sandwich
dahntahn = downtown
needs cleaned (or whatever) = needs to be (whatever) (this applies to all of western PA)
yinz = y'all (hence the name "Yinzer" for this speech pattern and its speakers)
malthaussen
(17,187 posts)"yinz" is a good example -- I never heard that until I was an adult and read about how strange the Pittsburgh dialect was.
-- Mal
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Cause that's what we called it when I was growing up. It always bothered me and I eventually I just started calling it a slide.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)I understood that the thing where you press a handle and drinking water came out was called a "bubbler." When we moved to Minnesota I got a lot of grief in school for using that term, and was informed that it's a "drinking fountain." Apparently "bubbler" is unique to Milwaukee (which the locals pronounce "M'wawkee" .
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Boston! Boston, Milwaukee, and no place in between.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)MyshkinCommaPrince
(611 posts)I love this sort of thing. Looking at how I fail to fit properly into so many of those maps shows me why people keep asking me where I come from. It isn't merely because I call it "Loowievill" instead of "Loovull". I favor a number of terms and pronunciations which are just outside the local norms.
I'm a bit surprised that "soft drink" has lost its popularity. I recall a piece on the topic of the isogloss on NPR, years ago. Their main examples were soda/pop/soft drink, with the last of these being prevalent on the west coast, and tennis shoe/sneaker/gym shoe/plimsole. I think I will have to start giving the neglected "soft drink" some love.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)reflection
(6,286 posts)That drives me batty. And they're everywhere. Thank goodness most of these people around me eat catfish. I worked at a seafood restaurant during college and I had to hear "SAL-MON" constantly.
janlyn
(735 posts)The thing that drove my mother crazy was calling a wash cloth a warsh rag!!! I made the mistake of saying it once...and my mother believed in striking what offends, so I bet you can guess where I got slapped!!
Even after living in the southern part of the US for almost 30 yr I still won't use that particular phrase. But it's ok to to say pert near!!!
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:37 PM - Edit history (1)
Folks in Chicago, if they are going to the store (or anywhere), will ask: "I'm going to the store. Do you wanna come with?"
I never knew most people finish that sentence "with me."
And my WI cousins referred to the drinking fountain as the "bubbler."
As a child, I once spent fifteen minutes trying to figure out why my friend from Alabama had a kite that died, and then she missed it and had to get a new one.
Finally realized it was her cat that died, not a kite.
Skittles
(153,147 posts)I learned that in England