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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLook how tiny Bradley Manning is, physically.
What he is accused of doing is enormous.
The Wikileaks data show the war on terror is a lie.
premium
(3,731 posts)U.S. Marshals, Army CID?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The librarians tried to tell us, but Corporate McPravda was carrying water for Wall Street's satraps.
premium
(3,731 posts)Federal, I would think being as this is Military.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I didn't use a capital "S," as I meant state as in State. They must be Federal employees. Or volunteers, like Oliver North planned on using should REX-84 become operational.
In Ollie's day, the idea was that the Michigan Militia and a bad number more of the other right-wing paramilitary groups across the nation would be deputized to do Reagan-Bush's domestic dirty work, in the event of a "national emergency." The idea was that the government would be able to circumvent the posse comitatus laws if there were mass protests against a "hypothetical" U.S. invasion of Central American nations like El Salvador or Nicaragua. Reagan-Bush thought they might need to round up undesirables, foreigners and whoever else they designated as enemies of the state.
Rex 84: FEMA's Blueprint for Martial Law in America
http://www.globalresearch.ca/rex-84-fema-s-blueprint-for-martial-law-in-america/3010
premium
(3,731 posts)Thanks for the link.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)you should take everything published there with a canister of salt.
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)As for what else you don't like, like I give a shit.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)you're starting to get a bit cranky.
And Salon blogs isn't the same as Salon.
The dude is quoting Wayne fucking Madsen.
You always come up with the best stuff.
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The guy who wrote that Mike Connell was warned that Karl Rove was out to get him?
The guy who would scoop most of the press if there was one.
That Wayne Madsen?
So. BTW. What have you to add about Bradley Manning, siddithers? Anything?
RZM
(8,556 posts)The fruit-loop nutjob who thinks Mossad pushed out Eliot Spitzer and H1N1 was created in a lab.
He's certifiable.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)For all his faults, real or imagined, at least Wayne Madsen tries to get to the truth.
That's a hell of a lot more than what passes for the nation's press tries to do.
mythology
(9,527 posts)For a video link:
http://infowars.net/articles/march2008/140308Mossad.htm
He's not trying to get at the truth, he's trying to get people to subscribe to his service like Glenn Beck does or Newt Gingrich.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)And people, even here, buy into his bullshit!
Additionally, Wayne Madsen reports [subscription required] that "Defense sources have confirmed our March 11, 2008, report that Emperors Club VIP, the prostitution firm that entangled New Yorks outgoing Governor Eliot Spitzer in a call girl ring, is viewed by US intelligence as a front for Israels intelligence agency, the Mossad.
"The sources claim that Spitzer was 'outed' for his aggressiveness in attacking money launderers connected to Russian-Israeli organized crime syndicates and other Wall Street malfeasance."
In an earlier report, Madsen mentioned that "There is also speculation that although Spitzer was implicated in the large international investigation of the Emperor's VIP Club's prostitution business, GOP dirty tricks operative Roger Stone figures in the case as a collateral agent provocateur. Stone has a history of badgering Eliot Spitzer and his elderly father, New York real estate magnate Bernard Spitzer."
Madsen went on to say, "There is also intense speculation about the identities of the other clients of the Emperors VIP Club call girls service. A February 5, 2006, article by Ben Smith in The New York Observer describes a close relationship between Eliot Spitzer and former Bill Clinton aide Dick Morris. Spitzer told the newspaper that Dick Morris' dad was his dad's lawyer. In 2006, the Democratic National Convention was shocked to learn that Morris, then Clintons top political consultant, paid $200 an hour to a Virginia prostitute named Sherry Rowlands. The revelations about Morris came mere hours before Clinton was to deliver his acceptance speech at the convention.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Here's something important Madsen reported for ITT that Corporate McPravda missed:
QUESTIONABLE TIES
Tracking bin Laden's money flow leads back to Midland, Texas
by Wayne Madsen
In These Times, Issue 25
On September 24, President George W. Bush appeared at a press conference in the White House Rose Garden to announce a crackdown on the financial networks of terrorists and those who support them. U.S. banks that have assets of these groups or individuals must freeze their accounts, Bush declared. And U.S. citizens or businesses are prohibited from doing business with them.
But the president, who is now enjoying an astounding 92 percent approval rating, hasnt always practiced what he is now preaching: Bushs own businesses were once tied to financial figures in Saudi Arabia who currently support bin Laden.
In 1979, Bushs first business, Arbusto Energy, obtained financing from James Bath, a Houstonian and close family friend. One of many investors, Bath gave Bush $50,000 for a 5 percent stake in Arbusto. At the time, Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, head of the wealthy Saudi Arabian family and a brother (one of 17) to Osama bin Laden. It has long been suspected, but never proven, that the Arbusto money came directly from Salem bin Laden. In a statement issued shortly after the September 11 attacks, the White House vehemently denied the connection, insisting that Bath invested his own money, not Salem bin Ladens, in Arbusto.
In conflicting statements, Bush at first denied ever knowing Bath, then acknowledged his stake in Arbusto and that he was aware Bath represented Saudi interests. In fact, Bath has extensive ties, both to the bin Laden family and major players in the scandal-ridden Bank of Commerce and Credit International (BCCI) who have gone on to fund Osama bin Laden. BCCI defrauded depositors of $10 billion in the 80s in what has been called the largest bank fraud in world financial history by former Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau. During the 80s, BCCI also acted as a main conduit for laundering money intended for clandestine CIA activities, ranging from financial support to the Afghan mujahedin to paying intermediaries in the Iran-Contra affair.
When Salem bin Laden died in 1988, powerful Saudi Arabian banker and BCCI principal Khalid bin Mahfouz inherited his interests in Houston. Bath ran a business for bin Mahfouz in Houston and joined a partnership with bin Mahfouz and Gaith Pharaon, BCCIs frontman in Houstons Main Bank.
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http://inthesetimes.com/issue/25/25/feature3.shtml
Ask your friend at CNN why they missed that story, zappaman.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That's odd, considering what it's meant for our nation, planet and democracy.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2092749
Anything to add, besides your emoticon?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)objection to you using it as a source as I believe we are all adults enough to judge for ourselves without censors, which I consider to be a worse evil, censorship that is, than being able to read the trash published by the Moonie rag known as the Washinton Times.
We appreciate your concern for us, though but you really don't have to worry, we have survived Fox, Beck, Limbaugh, and all the Right Wing talking points we see even here sometimes, and our minds remain unpolluted.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)you remember them? You defended them up and down, telling us how they were such a great DUer, almost right up until the day they got tombstoned for their use of right-wing sources?
Yeah, they liked to use the Washington Times. A lot.
How is BBI, anyway? Still keeping in touch?
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I doubt it because it seems like you two had a lot in common. Like you, the dude hated what I posted about George Herbert Walker Bush in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963 and in all his replies to my posts never wrote boo against the BFEE.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Likely, he recognized the bullshit when he saw it.
JFK...psychic!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)was a Moonie rag if you recall. And you want to speak of old friends who are now tombstoned. I'm happy to do that, although frankly I could not care less who is or isn't 'tombstoned', I care about important things. However to humor you, I remember well a few of your old friends who are now tombstoned, who used so many right wing talking points and who you supported right up until they were tombstoned. Remember them? Lol, there's an old saying, 'people in glass houses should not throw stones'. So, being this is so important a topic to you, much as I hate to mention people who are no longer here, it doesn't fair as they cannot defend themselves, I will be more than happy to supply the names of your old tomb stoned friends. A lot of people would probably get a kick out of remembering them. It is very petty though and I'm not into 'petty' much, but just to oblige you.
Do you really think that being banned from an internet forum is such a tragedy that you view it as some kind of terrible event? It's the INTERNET! It's like playing chess, a game, people are banned all the time from internet forums, they go on to other, and sometimes much better things where they get even more attention to publish their POVs.
Don't take the internet so seriously, and don't ever think that just because they are not posting here anymore, they are not posting on even bigger forums, some even on TV now. Did you know that? v Lol, I love it when you mention BBI, I'm sure s/he does to, s/he really got to you I guess. You shouldn't let people get to you like that, it's bad for you. YOU care about these petty little things, that's fine, we know that. We don't care.
Here, let me help you. If you want to 'get to' me, eg, you have to do it with facts. You have to prove me wrong about something. THAT'S the only way you could affect me. So far, that has never happened. I just find you amusing which is why, unlike so many others, I do not have you on ignore despite disagreeing with you on almost everything. I'm a Liberal Democrat so that goes without saying. You do add some light entertainment to DU, you're so 'concerned' about the internet and who is doing what, or who said what seven years ago. It's beyond fascinating.
I don't get why people get themselves so worked up over a discussion board that they keep track of everything that goes on. It makes me wonder if they have any lives outside of the internet. I hope someday to write a dissertation on this phenomenon. It's one of the most fascinating things to me. Adults acting like children 'nyah, nyah, 'your friend' is in trubbbbble'! Just beyond belief to watch sometimes. I get such a kick out of it, but then I have a weird sense of humor.
Btw, BBI was just another of thousands of liberal commenters I have met on the internet. It was a game for quite a few of them to work hard to get themselves banned from forums for one reason or another. BBI obviously wanted that, who knows why, that is his/her business and no concern of mine. I can't believe you didn't know that, everyone else did. It took a while but they succeeded in the end.
But for you to be so obsessed with him/her, well, I guess that hands them the victory they wanted. They have become immortal, thanks to you. Obsessions are bad for people, worse than getting banned and then moving on to better things because life really is more important than online political forums. Especially if you have children and other family and friends who take up most of your time which most of us do. Lighten up, obsessing over things that no one much cares about must be hard to deal with. I wish I had the spare time you seem to have to focus on these irrelevant things. But most of us do not.
And you better believe it. Lol!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I mean, here's a post of mine from 2004, well before you were even a DUer, where I criticized the use of the Washington Times:
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=743546&mesg_id=743553
I look forward to the link, if it even exists. And if it does exist, in what context it was used.
Sid
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)to 'prove' something so irrelevant. I remember it well, that's good enough for me. And I was here in 2004 but don't bother worrying yourself over it or spending too much time trying to figure out if I was ever banned. Lol, no, I was never banned, just changed names for reasons I have shared with those who matter. I don't remember you though, I do remember some great DUers who have left sadly as they were the reason many of us were attracted to DU in the first place. Too much right wing garbage on this site lately for many Democrats who have moved on and become more active in RL politics.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)making an accusation, then not having the evidence to back it up. Pretty fucking weak.
"I remember it well, that's good enough for me". I'm calling you on your bullshit this time. You made the accusation. Prove it.
You really thought you had a "gotcha" there, didn't you?
A quick search of your name and "Washington Times" shows a pile of posts over the last while where you obliquely accuse me of using the Washington Times as a source.
You made the fucking claim. Back it up or retract it and apologize.
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)When have you posted anything that sheds light on the gangster nature of the state?
Not once on anything I've posted. And nothing shows up on a GOOGLE search of DU. Not once.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)and the best part is that you don't know when you're being hilarious.
Maybe, since you're such a top-notch researcher, you can help sabrina find the evidence of my use of the Washington Times as a source.
The "I remember it well, that's good enough for me" ploy is going to be great fun to use, tho.
"Hey, I don't think you should have linked to StormFront"
"What? I didn't link to StormFront."
"Sure you did. Don't you remember?"
"Prove it!"
"I don't have time to look for it. I remember it well, that's good enough for me."
"Hey, David Duke isn't a source you should use at DU"
"I didn't use David Duke. What are you talking about?"
"Ah. I remember it well, that's good enough for me."
"Hey, why did you link to that white-nationalist, anti-Immigration, VDARE hate-site fundraiser?"
** crickets **
Sid
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's like a passion with you.
Coming from the bizarro conspiracy world that you inhabit, octafish...
If you spend even half the time you spend denigrating good DUers going after the Bush Family Evil Empire, who knows? The War Party might be in the dock by now.
premium
(3,731 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Why then was this not implemented during the height of the Occupy Wall Street movement?
How long does something have to not happen before people stop saying we are "dangerously close"?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)DemocracyNow.org
Once-secret documents reveal the FBI monitored Occupy Wall Street from its earliest days and treated the nonviolent movement as a potential terrorist threat. Internal government records show Occupy was treated as a potential threat when organizing first began in August of 2011. Counterterrorism agents were used to track Occupy activities, despite the internal acknowledgment that the movement opposed violent tactics. The monitoring expanded across the country as Occupy grew into a national movement, with FBI agents sharing information with businesses, local police agencies and universities. Were joined by Mara Verheyden-Hilliard of the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund, which obtained the FBI documents through the Freedom of Information Act. "We can see, decade after decade, with each social justice movement, that the FBI conducts itself in the same role over and over again, which is to act really as the secret police of the establishment against the people," Verheyden-Hilliard says.
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/12/27/the_fbi_vs_occupy_secret_docs
demwing
(16,916 posts)there was/is no martial law, and no OWSers were sent to FEMA "detention camps."
come on...
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Why is that important, if we have nothing to fear?
Sen. Frank Church on the powers of the NSA:
That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesnt matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
Know your BFEE: Spying on America Isn't Just Business, It's Tradition.. That was 1976, before the Internet and email and all the rest of it.
BTW: REX 84 was brought up by Rep. Jack Brooks (D-Texas) during the Iran-Contra investigations in 1986.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Let's review:
You posted a link.
I quoted the very first paragraph from that link, which claimed we were dangerously close to FEMA camps and martial law. This warning came in 2006.
I stated that the report was "tin foil hat" material, and wondered how long something could not happen and still be dangerously close.
You posted back that it was, in fact, happening, and used as evidence the spying on Americans.
So...how the hell does spying on Americans prove that we are all about to get sent to FEMA camps under martial law?
Focus.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)My point is that all the warnings about totalitarian government from decades past are coming to fruition.
My mistake is thinking you wanted evidence of that.
demwing
(16,916 posts)but it wasn't when we started this ridiculous exercise.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)It goes back a long ways.
The Propaganda System That Has Helped Create a Permanent Overclass Is Over a Century in the Making
Pulling back the curtain on how intent the wealthiest Americans have been on establishing a propaganda tool to subvert democracy.
Wednesday, 17 April 2013 00:00
By Andrew Gavin Marshall, AlterNet | News Analysis
Where there is the possibility of democracy, there is the inevitability of elite insecurity. All through its history, democracy has been under a sustained attack by elite interests, political, economic, and cultural. There is a simple reason for this: democracy as in true democracy places power with people. In such circumstances, the few who hold power become threatened. With technological changes in modern history, with literacy and education, mass communication, organization and activism, elites have had to react to the changing nature of society locally and globally.
From the late 19th century on, the threats to elite interests from the possibility of true democracy mobilized institutions, ideologies, and individuals in support of power. What began was a massive social engineering project with one objective: control. Through educational institutions, the social sciences, philanthropic foundations, public relations and advertising agencies, corporations, banks, and states, powerful interests sought to reform and protect their power from the potential of popular democracy.
SNIP...
The development of psychology, psychoanalysis, and other disciplines increasingly portrayed the public and the population as irrational beings incapable of making their own decisions. The premise was simple: if the population was driven by dangerous, irrational emotions, they needed to be kept out of power and ruled over by those who were driven by reason and rationality, naturally, those who were already in power.
The Princeton Radio Project, which began in the 1930s with Rockefeller Foundation funding, brought together many psychologists, social scientists, and experts armed with an interest in social control, mass communication, and propaganda. The Princeton Radio Project had a profound influence upon the development of a modern "democratic propaganda" in the United States and elsewhere in the industrialized world. It helped in establishing and nurturing the ideas, institutions, and individuals who would come to shape Americas democratic propaganda throughout the Cold War, a program fostered between the private corporations which own the media, advertising, marketing, and public relations industries, and the state itself.
CONTINUED...
http://truth-out.org/news/item/15784-the-propaganda-system-that-has-helped-create-a-permanent-overclass-is-over-a-century-in-the-making
PS: Thanks for the outstanding righteous indignation! Really.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Allen L Roland is a regular columnist at Veterans Today, a site considered by the SPLC to be a hate site.
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2011/01/06/buyer-beware-veterans-today-and-its-anti-israel-agenda/
His article "On Obama I and II", at Veterans Today, featured this lovely picture.
Globalresearch isn't much better. But DU conspiracy theorists love sites like those.
Sid
Cha
(297,047 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)It is a General Courts Martial held by the United States Army, with one of the charges being a capital offense (generals are for felonies and can impose the death penalty). Military attendees would be in full dress uniform.
So, I'm thinking Ex-military private contractors. Maybe Blackwater?
And Military contractors give US Gov. plausible deny ability and do not violate posse comitatus.
hack89
(39,171 posts)here is a picture of an CID agent wearing a similar blue polo shirt Manning's escorts are wearing.
Why would you need to worry about plausible deniability or posse comitatus? Manning is in the military justice system. The military does have law enforcement officers.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Because I saw a post inferring/referring to action in the USA by military service members. I simply meant to point out Posse Comitatus has already been sidestepped by the close relations to mercs with the DOD. The police state is closer than it appears in the side mirror.
As for the blue-shirts possibly being CID in casual clothes, not sure.
hack89
(39,171 posts)there is no reason not to. There is nothing unique about this case that would require "mercs".
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)I thought that the military would used uniformed Military Police specialists as escorts from a military prison to the courtroom. Every time I escorted anyone, the accused or the important, I was in uniform (USN). I thought it standard practice to have staff from the place of confinement escort the accused to the place of trial, not detectives/investigators.
Someone asked who the plain clothed persons might be, and as the distinction of private and state military is getting pretty blurred. I speculated that a private military contractor might be providing security for some obscure reason.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
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Octafish
(55,745 posts)The top ranks are where the troublemakers lie.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)...except for the cyborg who has a pact with the devil.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)("I got one of them PACs, too." Beep! Beep! Beep! Beep!
krispos42
(49,445 posts)...
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)I don't recall the minimum size requirement to get in the military, but he must be right at the cut-off.
alsame
(7,784 posts)5'2" and 105 lbs.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)..."It's the size of the fight in the dog."
Bradley Manning is one tough soldier. HOOAH!!!!!!!
malaise
(268,856 posts)the war on terror is highly profitable
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Let me put it in the words of the comandeer-n-thief, George Walker Bush, on Feb. 14, 2007:
"Money trumps peace." Then the guy laughed.
Why no reporter asked him what he meant would have saved a lot of trouble, treasure and lives.
malaise
(268,856 posts)They got away with more than murder
Octafish
(55,745 posts)"A multi-generational family of fibbers." -- Kevin Phillips, former GOP strategist on the Bush dynasty.
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/2/17/a_multigenerational_family_of_fibbers_fmr
And to think some people on DU don't believe the BFEE exists.
malaise
(268,856 posts)Indeed they made a killing
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I won't be able to watch the vid until I'm at home
Octafish
(55,745 posts)[font size="1"]Warmonger, print by John Carroll.[/font size]
In answer to a question during his press conference of Feb. 14, 2007, Gov. George W Bush said: Money trumps peace.
Q: A lot of our allies in Europe do a lot of business with Iran. So I wonder what your thoughts are about how you further tighten the financial pressure on Iran, in particular, if it also means economic pain for a lot of our allies.
BUSH: It's an interesting question. One of the problems, not specifically on this issue, just in general, that - let's put it this way: Money trumps peace, sometimes.
In other words, commercial interests are very powerful interests throughout the world. And part of the issue in convincing people to put sanctions on a specific country is to convince them that it's in the world's interest that they forego their own financial interest.
And that's why sometimes it's tough to get tough economic sanctions on countries, and I'm not making any comment about any particular country, but you touched on a very interesting point.
You know - so, therefore, we're constantly working with nations to convince them that what really matters in the long run is to have the environment so peace can flourish.
In the Iranian case, I firmly believe that, if they were to have a weapon, it would make it difficult for peace to flourish, and therefore I am working with people to make sure that that concern trumps whatever commercial interests may be preventing governments from acting.
I make no specific accusation with that statement. It's a broad statement. But it's an accurate assessment of what sometimes can halt multilateral diplomacy from working.
SOURCE:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-6416108...
Money trumps peace.
That explains a lot. In fact, that explains everything about everything in regards to Bush and his cronies in the War Party. To them, money is everything.
It was odd, the way it rolled out of the crazy monkeys mouth. Its off-the-cuff naturalness was at odds with Bushs customary strangulation of the English language. Money trumps peace was obviously a phrase he was familiar with, one he had used often. Judging from his record, its likely the saying was something he had learned at home.
Money trumps peace.
When I heard it I was infuriated.
Later, came the shocker. News Flash: Bush tells the truth.
Then Duhbya adds:
Sometimes.
And all was normal, for that was a lie. Part of the Big Lie, actually. You see, to the Bush Family Evil Empire the War Party, Money Trumps Peace. ALWAYS.
Money also trumps Truth.
Money also trumps Loyalty.
To Bush and the people he works for, Money is Everything.
Why? Because Money buys Power. And Power gives them more Money.
Dog and hood applied as weapons of torture, Abu Ghraib Prison, Baghdad.
Remember how Poppy gave April Glaspie the green-light for Saddams move into Iraq, back in 1990? Well, that mayve been good enough for Lee Hamilton, but it didnt sell the American people on making war for oil in the Middle East. Poppy and Cheney had to think up a causus belli with legs, so they came up with WMDs.
Anyway, the main witness for the prosecution just got hanged, but here he is in better days:
Shifting Price of Oil
TARIQ AZIZ: Our policy in OPEC opposes sudden jumps in oil prices.
HUSSEIN: Twenty-five dollars a barrel is not a high price.
GLASPIE: We have many Americans who would like to see the price go above $25 because they come from oil-producing states.
HUSSEIN: The price at one stage had dropped to $12 a barrel and a reduction in the modest Iraqi budget of $6 billion to $7 billion is a disaster.
GLASPIE: I think I understand this. I have lived here for years. I admire your extraordinary efforts to rebuild your country. I know you need funds. We understand that and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.
I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late 60's. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction. We hope you can solve this problem using any suitable methods via Klibi or via President Mubarak. All that we hope is that these issues are solved quickly. With regard to all of this, can I ask you to see how the issue appears to us?
My assessment after 25 years' service in this area is that your objective must have strong backing from your Arab brothers. I now speak of oil But you, Mr. President, have fought through a horrific and painful war. Frankly, we can see only that you have deployed massive troops in the south. Normally that would not be any of our business. But when this happens in the context of what you said on your national day, then when we read the details in the two letters of the Foreign Minister, then when we see the Iraqi point of view that the measures taken by the U.A.E. and Kuwait is, in the final analysis, parallel to military aggression against Iraq, then it would be reasonable for me to be concerned. And for this reason, I received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship -- not in the spirit of confrontation -- regarding your intentions.
I simply describe the position of my Government. And I do not mean that the situation is a simple situation. But our concern is a simple one.
SOURCE:
http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/glaspie.html
Carlyle Group heavyweights include (clockwise from top, left)
James Baker III (represents all of Saudi Arabia named in a trillion-dollar lawsuit by 9-11 families),
George Herbert Walker (Poppy) Bush (poster boy for Plausible Deniability),
William E. Kennard (converted expertise as chair of the FCC into service for CGs US Buyout and Telecom & Media desks), and
Frank Carlucci (college roommate of one Donald Rumsfeld).
Yes. War is Big Business. Mighty Profitable, too. No wonder some might say, let alone think, Money trumps peace.
War Profiteers
Profits Over Patriotism in Iraq
By Robert L. Borosage, Eric Lotke and Robert Gerson
The tales sound like tortures from the Arabian Nights. Drivers sent to their deaths in empty convoys dispatched because the contractor is paid by the trip; men stripped naked in prison and attacked by dogs; troops in the desert drinking contaminated water, waiting for meals that never come.
But the stories are not fiction. They come from the American occupation in Iraq, a military operation that has privatized war to an unprecedented degree, using private, commercial companies for everything from feeding the troops to patrolling the streets.
This report explores the unprecedented use of private contractors during the Iraq war and occupation. It shows how the catastrophic failures in Iraqi reconstruction derive directly from the conservative ideology and policies of those who drove this war of choice.
Theres a lot of money to pay for this. We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon.
Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary1
I am reasonably certain that they will greet us as liberators, and that will help us keep the requirements down . (W)e can say with reasonable confidence that the notion of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers is way off the mark.
Paul Wolfowitz, Deputy Defense Secretary2I.
SNIP
5I can unequivocally state that the abuse related to contracts awarded to KBR (Halliburton) represents the most blatant and improper contract abuse I have witnessed during the course of my professional career.
Testimony of Bunnatine Greenhouse, the highest ranking civilian in the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.11
CONTINUED with all the details as of September 2006
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:Q66wS6XXvqsJ:home.ourfuture.org/reports/report-war-profiteers.pdf+war-profiteers+borosage+lotke+gerson&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
PDF of complete article above: http://home.ourfuture.org/reports/report-war-profiteers.pdf
That explains a hell of a lot.
That explains the Gulf of Tonkin and the lies to ramp up Vietnam.
That explains the Cold War and how the Soviets never really were a threat to America.
That explains the Star Wars bogus missile bogus defense rip-off.
That explains Gulf War I and how Poppy lied to America about Saddams WMDs and a threat to Saudi Arabian oil back in 1990.
That explains sucking up to the Taliban by Texas Oil and ENRON way back when.
That explains 911, and how Bush and his crew ignored all those warnings and dots.
That explains why they tied 911 to Iraq and why Junior Monkey lied to America about WMDs in order to illegally invade Iraq.
That explains their warmongering ways.
It is their heritage. "The War Party."
Well, one woman has had the courage to stand up to these warmongers. Her name is Cindy Sheehan. She lost her son, Casey, on April 4, 2004 in George W. Bushs War.
The Taming of Evil, painting by Renata Palubinskas.
Not much mention was made of Bushs pronouncement in the Main Stream Press, but that is to be expected from Corporate McPravda their job is to protect the crazy monkey with cufflinks.
Ms. Sheehan wrote an excellent article on the subject.
Cindy Sheehan: Money Trumps Peace...Sometimes
A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Cindy Sheehan
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 10:23am. Guest Contribution
It is always painful to watch George stumble his way through press conferences. He can't get through a sentence without at least two-three "uhs," his eyelids flutter up and down in what my daughter Carly calls the "liar's blink." It is painful that a human like that is ostensibly the leader of the free world. There is always a plethora of things that he says, does, or screws up on to write about but this time what caught my attention happened during the Q&A. George was asked if he thought the economic sanctions on Iran would work because so many European nations trade with that country.
He stopped to collect his thoughts with what he thought must've looked like a studied and careful demeanor, but more like someone with a sour tummy, and said: "well, let's put it this way...money trumps peace, sometimes. In other words, commercial interests are very powerful interests throughout the world." (I added the italics.) It is always interesting with people who frequently play fast and loose with the truth, such as the liars in BushCo, once in a while if they talk long enough, they tell a truth.
"Money trumps peace" is the fundamental reason for the invasions and subsequent gory and violent occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. In Richard Behan's excellent article "From Iraq to Afghanistan: Connecting the Dots with Oil," he brilliantly follows the history of the oil-money trail in these countries that are 1) rich in oil, and 2) well placed for the transportation and delivery of oil. Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan, or their leaders or governments had anything to do with 9-11, but they were in the way of oil and other industries that profit from oil, so they had to go. Money trumped peace in those countries and they are destroyed and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Afghanis, and Americans have been slaughtered because they were blocking American imperialistic profiteering.
"Money trumps peace" is the underlying reason for all wars as two-time Congressional Medal of Honor winner and highly decorated Major General Smedley D. Butler wrote in his reflective, prophetic work, "War is a Racket":
WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the very many. Out of war, a few people make huge fortunes.
CONTINUED
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/contributors/792
It isnt fair to call them the BFEE. For they are more than a single family representing the interests of the worlds monied or gangster classes. They are more of a movement of the greedy.
Theirs is the real axis of evil a line running through the hearts of men who use people as cannon fodder, enslave the survivors for profit, and envision a future where their chosen descendants thrive as royalty.
It is clear, theirs, truly, is a culture of death. They are a culture of warmongers. They are merchants of death. To such, money does trump everything. They worship Mammon. They are the War Party.
You should see the replies on DU then:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x250447
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)he handed to a private concern as opposed to becoming a whistleblower.
Fuck him.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Where are your priorities, Dreamer Tatum?
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)are culpable for the caskets in your picture.
If he was of the mindset you think he is, he'd have pored over those documents before becoming a
legitimate whistleblower.
Instead he handed them over to another fame-seeker.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Seeing how nobody in power was doing anything about ending the needless slaughter, Bradley Manning stepped up.
Interested in learning how to make a better future? Build democracy.
Can't take the truth? Live in a dictatorship.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Giving hundreds of thousands of documents to a fame-hungry conduit?
What exactly did that do, again?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Some people were surprised to discover that it was a money maker for the connected. Even Comcast noticed.
http://ed.msnbc.com/_news/2011/12/16/9498407-iraq-war-giant-successfor-war-profiteers?lite
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)I will answer for you: FREAKING NOTHING.
Except in the process of doing nothing, it embarrassed people for no reason, uncovering confidential communications that
have been part of diplomacy since GOD WAS A BOY.
Fans of diplomacy over war, of which exactly 100% of DU was before Iraq, should have been horrified instead of titillated by
the unnecessary exposure of State Dept documents.
Oh well. Those informants didn't need to stay secret anyway, right? Julian Assange's desire to be a globetrotting, jet-setting information broker trumps any of the realities involved with making the diplomatic rubber hit the road.
And JESUS CHRIST, you needed those docs to find out that war is a moneymaker? Tell me, how many confidential dossiers
are required to convince you that water is wet?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)And it's not much in the way of a case for excusing lying America into war, war crimes, and war profiteering.
BTW: Great indignation! Most patriotic, in a way.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Anything to say about the real issues, Dreamer Tatum?
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)The leaks would have been far more directed.
Patiently waiting for you to show me some structure in the leaks.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)As for structure in the leaks, look it up yourself. That's not my job.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)The charge has lost its allure.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)and other material that showed American crimes.
But he deserves to have the book thrown at him for releasing 250,000 unredacted diplomatic cables.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)(In addition to the war-related info, doncha love the one about protecting GMO foods from European rejection by engaging in "military style" trade wars?)
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/06/04/bradley_manning_trial_10_revelations_from_wikileaks_documents_on_iraq_afghanistan.html
Ten Revelations in the Wikileaks Documents:
During the Iraq War, U.S. authorities failed to investigate hundreds of reports of abuse, torture, rape, and murder by Iraqi police and soldiers, according to thousands of field reports.
There were 109,032 violent deaths recorded in Iraq between 2004 and 2009, including 66,081 civilians. Leaked records from the Afghan War separately revealed coalition troops alleged role in killing at least 195 civilians in unreported incidents, one reportedly involving U.S. service members machine-gunning a bus, wounding or killing 15 passengers.
The U.S. Embassy in Paris advised Washington to start a military-style trade war against any European Union country that opposed genetically modified crops, with U.S. diplomats effectively working directly for GM companies such as Monsanto.
British and American officials colluded in a plan to mislead the British Parliament over a proposed ban on cluster bombs.
In Baghdad in 2007, a U.S. Army helicopter gunned down a group of civilians, including two Reuters news staff.
U.S. special operations forces were conducting offensive operations inside Pakistan despite sustained public denials and statements to the contrary by U.S. officials.
A leaked diplomatic cable provided evidence that during an incident in 2006, U.S. troops in Iraq executed at least 10 Iraqi civilians, including a woman in her 70s and a 5-month-old, then called in an airstrike to destroy the evidence. The disclosure of this cable was later a significant factor in the Iraqi governments refusal to grant U.S. troops immunity from prosecution beyond 2011, which led to U.S. troops withdrawing from the country.
A NATO coalition in Afghanistan was using an undisclosed black unit of special operations forces to hunt down targets for death or detention without trial. The unit was revealed to have had a kill-or-capture list featuring details of more than 2,000 senior figures from the Taliban and al-Qaida, but it had in some cases mistakenly killed men, women, children, and Afghan police officers.
The U.S. threatened the Italian government in an attempt to influence a court case involving the indictment of CIA agents over the kidnapping of an Egyptian cleric. Separately, U.S. officials were revealed to have pressured Spanish prosecutors to dissuade them from investigating U.S. torture allegations, secret extraordinary rendition flights, and the killing of a Spanish journalist by U.S. troops in Iraq.
In apparent violation of a 1946 U.N. convention, Washington initiated a spying campaign in 2009 that targeted the leadership of the U.N. by seeking to gather top officials private encryption keys, credit card details, and biometric data.
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Although Mannings disclosures totaled some 720,000 recordsthe largest security breach in U.S. historythe leak still amounted to less than 1 percent of the almost 77 million documents reportedly classified by U.S. government agencies in 2010. The soldiers actions are at the center of an ongoing debate about a spike in extreme state secrecy in the U.S. since Sept. 11an issue regularly covered here on Future Tensethat has resulted in several aggressive leak investigations and surveillance of journalists.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Exposing war crimes and war profiteering would do the trick, were ours a vibrant and free press.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Hope he spends the rest of his life in prison. It's what he deserves.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)That's a far right point of view, actually.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Authoritarianism that can be turned on or off every four years.
When the other guys are in the White House, we're champions for governmental transparency and accountability. After all the government is Them and They need to be watched like hawks for evidence of wrongdoing. If we find such evidence, we'll shout from the rooftops for their heads on a platter. "If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention!"
When our guys are in the White House, we defend them from any accusations of wrongdoing regardless of how accurate the charges may be. After all, the government is Us and We need to make sure that They don't undermine our efforts. If there are accusations of wrongdoing, they must be utterly without merit and based purely on partisan skullduggery. "If you're outraged, you're helping Them!"
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)You don't represent all progressives.
Some of us understand the need for diplomacy and for diplomats, human rights activists and others working for peace to be able to do their behind-the-scenes work.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Especially profit from war.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)of secret government either.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)He should have figured out what he was whistle blowing and only released that.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)In a strange way, his story parallels the John Irving book
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I plan to, now. I remember the title character's name, what's his story?
Taverner
(55,476 posts)And feels he is called by God to do something.
He joins the Army, and I won't spoil the rest
Very sad, very touching and very strange
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Reminds me that I need to read it again. Check it out Octa.
railsback
(1,881 posts)Only 'little' men punch women in the face?
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Hallmark of a burgeoning POLICE STATE.
AnalystInParadise
(1,832 posts)size of the tiny soldier committing treason, it is the size of the treason committed by the tiny soldier.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Yep!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)So. Who's the real traitor?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Look it up.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)How come I knew the war was based on lies before Manning did his data dump?
G_j
(40,366 posts)Phttp://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/ten-years/
The figures below provide a statistical overview of the conflict which outlines its human toll. Numbers are derived from over 31,500 deadly incidents analysed for information including time and location, perpetrators and weapons used, with demographic records for those victims (around 40% of the total) for whom such information could be obtained.
In Sum
1 Slight variation of this figure from the IBC database will be due to the continuous addition of data as the online database is updated, and the inclusion in this release of March 2013 incidents still being fully processed.
IBC has documented 112,017 - 122,438 civilian deaths from violence between 20 March 2003 and 14 March 2013. 1
A complete account of violent deaths that includes Iraqi and foreign combatants (including coalition forces), as well as previously unreported civilian deaths still being extracted by IBC from the Iraq War Logs released by WikiLeaks, would include:
39,900 (combatants killed of all nationalities)
11,500 civilians (likely to be added from the Iraq War Logs)
2 For details, see IBCs 2012 annual report with updates on overall numbers and the Iraq War Logs.
3 70,000 people killed in Iraq since 2003, says Human Rights Ministry, AK News
yielding about 174,000 as the number of people documented killed in violence in Iraq since 2003. 2
IBC has recorded an additional 135,089 civilians injured, along with incident and demographic details where known. However IBC only records injured in incidents where there were also deaths, and (unlike for deaths) official Iraqi figures are consistently higher than IBC's. In May 2012 the Iraqi Human Rights Ministry reported that there had been 250,000 injured since 2003.
Etc. etc. etc.......
dkf
(37,305 posts)This is not right. I hope whoever leaked the Verizon doc isn't going to go through this. We need to tell the admin to back off.
MineralMan
(146,284 posts)Note: This song is satire, for those who are satire-impaired.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)I ran into one sailor once who was in the Navy and he was only 4'9" tall.
4 foot, 9 inches tall.
I'm not kidding you one bit, and I'll bet he didn't weigh more than 90 pounds.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Yeah. Small body. Big Brain. A real leader, too.
FYI: Me? I'm fat and dumb. Not drunk, though.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)You're right though, Manning is pretty small physically.
No wonder the federal government is afraid of him.
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Integrity. Does a Soul Good.
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)to how it would impact national security and the safely of many people.
Why else would he have released information exposing Chinese dissidents?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)How anyone could call this twerp a "mental giant" is beyond me.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)As for the Chinese dissidents, American technology has done more to them than most people can imagine.
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)RZM
(8,556 posts)MFM008
(19,803 posts)have a childrens section in military wear?
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)vanlassie
(5,668 posts)Kurovski
(34,655 posts)Thank you.
Ter
(4,281 posts)Either he is on his knees, or he is 4'10.