Question: if climate change is detected in the long term, is the weather changing in the short term?

[CreekDog]

and I mean, is the weather changing in the short term, on average, if the climate is changing in the long term?

remember, I said "on average".

[on point]

1. Yes. But think of a Bell curve, where the center point is moving. A given weather item may be to

either side.
So a given event may be behind the curve and resembles what it used to be like, or on the forward side of the bell curve and more like what it will become.

Also, part of the climate change is that there is more energy in the system.

Sort of like a pendulum which used to have a nice easy slow swing. Now we put more energy into it so it now swings wilder, further from side and side and more quickly.

[uppityperson]

2. Weather can vary dramatically, whether climate changes or not.

For instance, we've had 2 ungodly long wet springs, now are having one of the nicest I remember.

[CreekDog]

4. i'm asking if climate is changing

is the average weather event changing or staying the same?

[uppityperson]

6. Global climate change does result in overall average weather change also. Some places end up

dryer, some wetter, some windier. So yes, global climate change involves overall average weather change.

[CreekDog]

7. thank you

[Puzzledtraveller]

3. define "change"

I mean, here in Louisville. It's been climate "change" for as long as I can recall. I suppose because of the region I am not used to stable weather and what may be part of long term change may also just be the whacky effect of the Ohio Valley, business as usual. From a laymans point of view anyway.

[CreekDog]

5. the the climate is now 2 degrees warmer than in the past

is the average weather, day to day, two degrees warmer than in the past?

yes or no?

[uppityperson]

10. Not necessarily. Some places it is 4 degrees, others minus 2. Weather is in a spot and those

spots are getting different variations. On average, some places are 2+, some -4 which equal +2. Or +10, -12 = 2

[CreekDog]

11. so you're saying that all those changes aren't changes

i take back my "thank you".

[uppityperson]

12. What? snark snerk what?

Weather is local. Climate is global. Local weather may be +4 here, -2 there making global -2. Climate is averaging the temp overall where weather is local.

[CreekDog]

13. and climate is calculated from individual weather over place and time?

and climate change is calculated from the aggregate of changes in individual weather over place and time?

or is weather just weather and climate calculated by unicorns and nymph dreams?

[uppityperson]

15. meh. narwhals and feckers

I'm going back to argue godwins with a newbie. Catch you around.

[uppityperson]

19. here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2958477

[Puzzledtraveller]

14. I was just looking at NOAA's charts yesterday

I was wanting to see what comparative temps in the region were over a 10, 20 year period. From what I can tell, no. I know what you are asking though and I think that is harder to extract by just looking ar ambient air temperature recordings. I'm not qualified to give a serious answer but I enjoy learning about the weather.

[CreekDog]

16. No, I'm getting at the fundamental defintion of climate

and climate is made up of weather.

there are people that want to wall off climate from weather --yes, they really do.

an individual weather event may not reflect the overall change that is occurring at a specific geographic and time scale, but it will be a part of that overall change.

[Puzzledtraveller]

18. That makes sense to me.

[KittyWampus]

8. This issue isn't Climate Change. It is CLIMATE VOLATILITY> Language has meaning. "Change" is wrong.

The climate changes over time anyway. That's why some are able to obfuscate so well.

[CreekDog]

9. why isn't the issue climate change?

climate volatility is also an issue.

why can't it be both?

[kestrel91316]

20. Look. Weather + Time = Climate. Do the math.

[CreekDog]

21. I agree, that was basically the point I was making