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kentuck

(111,082 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:30 PM Jun 2013

The way I understand it...

The phone logs do not keep names or recordings of conversations - they only keep the numbers and numbers called to and from and the time of the call and the duration of the call. So your number, your family's numbers, and your friends numbers are of little benefit to them. So do they simply discard all those numbers after 3 months or are they stored in a permanent database?

As witnessed by the recent Boston Marathon bombing, most of these terrorists are too smart to use a phone anyway. They seemed to prefer the Internet. So are they monitoring our emails also? Or do they have to get special permission to do that? There are a lot of questions that should be asked, in my opinion.

So what if the government has all these numbers? What's the big deal? That seems to be the attitude of a lot of people. There is oversight, they say. Congress has oversight as do the FISA judges. It is the best we can hope for after 9/11.

But I would suggest that that type of thinking requires a lot of faith in your leaders and institutions. I don't think we should entrust anyone in government with that much power. The only way I could be more comfortable with the program is if the press had more access to the information. I do not trust politicians of either Party to do what is right when power clouds their vision.

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The way I understand it... (Original Post) kentuck Jun 2013 OP
If you can't trust your leaders then who can you trust? n/t Fumesucker Jun 2013 #1
Trust but verify. kentuck Jun 2013 #3
That information is classified seppuku-before-reading Fumesucker Jun 2013 #4
That Congress and Judges have oversight provides me little comfort. NYC_SKP Jun 2013 #2
I fail to see how the NSA phone logs could have prevented the LeftInTX Jun 2013 #5
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. That Congress and Judges have oversight provides me little comfort.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:37 PM
Jun 2013

They have oversight of banks and wars and the environment, too, and still we suffer.

LeftInTX

(25,277 posts)
5. I fail to see how the NSA phone logs could have prevented the
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:46 PM
Jun 2013

Boston attacks.

The FBI had actual information on Tamerlan. If they felt it was necessary, they could have obtained an individual warrant for his records several years ago.

I don't think going through a bunch of NSA logs could have alerted about the Boston attacks. Tamerlan was probably calling friends here in the US or in Russia and not known terrorists. Did Tamerlan buy one of those prepaid phones to go off the radar? I have no idea. The investigation of Tamerlan is after the fact.

Did they use e-mail to plan the attacks? I don't think so. Most criminals are smart enough not to use e-mail.

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