I see a lot of people pissed off at the data mining

[mindwalker_i]

And I agree completely with the anger over it. However, I have to wonder how many regularly open their ass cheeks to Facebook. How many do those stupid loyalty cards to Safeway?

I get the feeling that with technology at the point it's at, at getting better all the time, it's not virtually impossible to avoid being tracked. Mostly by corporations, partly by the government (regardless of who's in power). The only way through this is to insist that the transparency goes both ways - that we see what corporations are doing, and that we see what the government is doing. Cops are pissed off enough that they are getting recorded too.

[BlueJazz]

1. I'm one of the few people on DU that (as far as MY stuff). I don't care who knows it.

Leave my bank account alone and you can check my calls or whatever-the-hell-you-want. I really couldn't care less. My personal stuff is of no interest to any sane human being.

Other people DO care and that's fine. I'll stand up for them but again, it's only for them.

[randome]

3. Same here.

I think the newer generations don't particularly care. Maybe because they have better things to worry about?

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[bowens43]

12. Better things to worry aboout? Are you kidding?

Fuck freedom, who needs it?

[randome]

13. I doubt your freedom has been affected in the slightest because of this.

I would rather the data mining did not occur and I want to hear an explanation as to why it does but I don't see the point in getting all hot and bothered about some nebulous hypothetical situations.

This is the Internet Age, where technology and 24/7 connectivity carry the assumption that a lot of personal data will always be out there.

The newer generation, I think, simply shrugs and moves on. As longship points out below, we have zero expectation of privacy on the Net.

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[backscatter712]

9. "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear."

Where have we all heard that before?

[BlueJazz]

17. You're wrong about my thoughts. I don't feel that way. What's OK with me does not equate to how..

..I want other people to feel..or act.

[bowens43]

11. How sad. How did you become so apathetic?

[BlueJazz]

16. Easy answer: People or the Government will never know what really goes on in my life.

I learned from my parents to never "throw your trash out in the street".
In short: I truly have nothing to worry about. I DO worry about other people's rights and liberty and security and I wish they
were not so open with their life....but that's the way it is and I'm glad to fight and stand up for them.

On Edit: their not there.

[longship]

2. There is zero expectation of privacy on the Net.

And likely on cell phones.

That's just the way the technology works, especially the Internet. Encryption can make your messages private, but there's nothing to disguise the fact that you sent a message from A to B. And every server along the way has a copy. That's TCP/IP protocol.

[neverforget]

4. What business is it of the government who I call, when I call and for how long I talk to them?

As for Facebook, loyalty cards, etc., those are something the user has to sign up for and sign or agree to certain uses by a private company and I can cancel them at any time. With the government, it's none of their fucking business who I talk too and this shit is going on in secret so how can I stop it? If they suspect me of doing something illegal, get a warrant per the Constitution. Tracking who I call is wrong and none of their business.

[ohheckyeah]

5. Exactly....

choosing something is one thing, having the government choose it for you is another.

[Luminous Animal]

8. I use a fake name and phone number when I sign up for "loyalty" cards.

[treestar]

15. They won't notice you

They aren't really after you.

Until most of your calls are made to Yemen and to certain people there, for example.

In the meantime, they just aren't interested.

[neverforget]

18. how do I know that?

They're not interested until they are.

[randome]

19. What, you want someone to prove a negative?

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[Hell Hath No Fury]

6. I own no cell phone -

use an assumed name on FB, have an email address associated with an account that is not mine, pay cash as often as possible at stores, and the computer I use is associated with the prior owner. Am I still being datamined? Probably, but I sure as heck enjoy making it a little more difficult for them.

[Luminous Animal]

7. One is by consent, the other is not.

[HipChick]

10. Not me...I'll probabely be employed

until I choose to retire..

[Fumesucker]

14. The same people who are pissed off at data mining will piss in a cup for a job

If your own body isn't safe from search, why the hell worry about your records?

[byeya]

20. Not me. I organized a law suit against the Dept of Interior many years ago over random drug

testing and with the help of the ACLU found a law firm willing to take the case pro bono. The suit didn't free all 17,000 but it freed 12,000 and the judge used terms like "kafaesque" to describe the department's plan.