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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 09:46 AM Jun 2013

Anonymous Just Leaked a Trove of NSA Documents

Chris Mills - Gizmodo UK

In the wake of last night’s revelation that everyone in the world has a creepy NSA-shaped stalker, defenders of online liberty and generally angry internet people Anonymous have leaked a treasure trove of NSA documents, including seriously important stuff like the US Department of Defense’s ‘Strategic Vision’ for controlling the internet.

The documents — 13 in total — were posted online, along with an accompanying message full of the normal Anonymous bluster: people won’t be silenced, they have the memory of trivia-master elephants, the governments of the world will fall, your average press release really.

The documents seem to mostly relate to PRISM and supporting operations, and mostly date from around 2008, supposedly not long after PRISM first reared its ugly head. One of the key things Anonymous has highlighted from the documents is the existence of an “intelligence-sharing network” that shares data gleaned from PRISM with “intelligence partners” around the world. Although we’re still in the process of combing through the documents, you can bet your last Bitcoin that ‘intelligence’ has been shared with British security services.

Hit up the documents for further details; just be warned that although this might look like the plot of a B-list movie starring Aston Kutcher, the docs themselves are incredibly dry and full of more acronyms than whatever presentation you should be working on.

http://gizmodo.com/anonymous-just-leaked-a-trove-of-nsa-documents-511854773

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Anonymous Just Leaked a Trove of NSA Documents (Original Post) n2doc Jun 2013 OP
I was wondering when they were going to engage - Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #1
Anonymous Engaged Nothing. MineralMan Jun 2013 #25
du rec. xchrom Jun 2013 #2
Spying on the spies. Seems like just deserts. BlueStreak Jun 2013 #3
Like this? ashling Jun 2013 #12
No spying needed. They're all unclassified public documents. MineralMan Jun 2013 #17
Great. Unthnking Americans being led around by the nose once again. One more point for the tea party okaawhatever Jun 2013 #19
haha OUTSTANDING! boilerbabe Jun 2013 #4
Golly. I wonder if the government was expecting privacy in this age of technology. LMAO Solly Mack Jun 2013 #5
i am sorry, but I just have to ellie Jun 2013 #6
Oh how I do love irony. bunnies Jun 2013 #7
Haha, 13 documents from 5 years ago is a trove?? I wish Anonymous really had some cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #8
And not even classified documents. MineralMan Jun 2013 #14
"Treasure Trove" LOL, like "how to get and maintain your security clearance" snooper2 Jun 2013 #9
Im currently reading: bunnies Jun 2013 #10
No. And they didn't Google the titles, either. MineralMan Jun 2013 #15
We need more of this by more groups. The light always makes the roaches scurry. L0oniX Jun 2013 #11
The "released documents" are all unclassfied, MineralMan Jun 2013 #16
The document at that link is not even a classified document. MineralMan Jun 2013 #13
Or they thought they had found a treasure trove and didn't think to do the simple step of of Bodhi BloodWave Jun 2013 #18
Nah. It's the bloggers who are touting this who are MineralMan Jun 2013 #20
where did the OP go... snooper2 Jun 2013 #21
I dunno. MineralMan Jun 2013 #23
I figure if we just keep kicking this prime example snooper2 Jun 2013 #24
Bah, give me a REAL Camaro (67-69) any day over that bloated, expensive pig DJ13 Jun 2013 #27
So what is the gist of what these docs have to say about anything? Generic Other Jun 2013 #28
The docs they released just outline the potential for MineralMan Jun 2013 #29
The problem seems to be it always gets swept under the rug Generic Other Jun 2013 #30
It doesn't really, but it's a complicated issue. MineralMan Jun 2013 #33
People do not give consent Generic Other Jun 2013 #34
Given that this business has congressional and court approval, MineralMan Jun 2013 #35
4 posts from you in this thread but it is no big coup HangOnKids Jun 2013 #31
Just don't pee your pants laughing. MineralMan Jun 2013 #32
This makes me LOL. n/t tammywammy Jun 2013 #22
Looks like you and about 50 others got played by Anonymous! Google Anyone? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #26
Are these documents classified? leeroysphitz Jun 2013 #36

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
25. Anonymous Engaged Nothing.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:39 PM
Jun 2013

They did a Google search and found some public documents on government websites.

Script Kiddies...

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
17. No spying needed. They're all unclassified public documents.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:58 PM
Jun 2013

All can be googled and seen on the .gov sites where they're located.

Anonymous googled them. Aren't they clever?

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
5. Golly. I wonder if the government was expecting privacy in this age of technology. LMAO
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:22 AM
Jun 2013

That shit cuts both ways.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
8. Haha, 13 documents from 5 years ago is a trove?? I wish Anonymous really had some
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:41 AM
Jun 2013

amazing stuff to release for a change.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
9. "Treasure Trove" LOL, like "how to get and maintain your security clearance"
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:43 AM
Jun 2013

a DoD doc on their vision for NetOps and bringing all the different enterrpise networks into one secure managable system...


in otherwords, pretty boring reads LOL


On edit, has anybody above that is going "WooHoo! GET THE MAN!" actually read any of the documents? Or even the titles

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
10. Im currently reading:
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 10:52 AM
Jun 2013

FINAL REPORT:
INFORMATION SHARING ENVIRONMENT (ISE)-
SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY REPORTING (SAR)
EVALUATION ENVIRONMENT
JANUARY 2010

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
15. No. And they didn't Google the titles, either.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:55 PM
Jun 2013

Had they, they'd have seen that all are publicly available on the web, anyhow. None of this stuff is classified.

The Script Kiddies know how to Google!

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
16. The "released documents" are all unclassfied,
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:57 PM
Jun 2013

and are readily available online. Wikipedia even has entries on them from some time ago. Nothing Anonymous revealed is a secret. It's all public information.

The Script Kiddies have learned to use Google.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
13. The document at that link is not even a classified document.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jun 2013

It's available on a Department of Defense website:

http://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/DIEA/DoD_NetOps_Strategic_Vision.pdf

Anonymous anonymously Googled it, apparently. Not a very big coup, really.

Bodhi BloodWave

(2,346 posts)
18. Or they thought they had found a treasure trove and didn't think to do the simple step of of
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:00 PM
Jun 2013

googling the titles before announcing their victory to the Internets

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
20. Nah. It's the bloggers who are touting this who are
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:12 PM
Jun 2013

the dupes. They didn't bother to do the Google searches and find out that there is nothing to this "Release."

The Script Kiddies used Google for their "hacking." That's all.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
23. I dunno.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jun 2013

I saw this OP and went to look at the link. I clicked through to the document and noticed no classification notice on it, so I Googled the title. Sure enough, I found it on a DoD site, available to anyone. So I checked some of the others. All were public. There are even Wikipedia entries on them.

The bloggers are having a field day with this Anonymous "release." Egg on all of their faces for not checking out the stuff to see whether it was really some sort of Anonymous "coup."

It's inconvenient for some when people actually look at the real information. They're counting on nobody doing that, I guess.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
24. I figure if we just keep kicking this prime example
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:37 PM
Jun 2013

maybe it will be a learning experience?


Anyway, you see the new Camaro ZL1 , 580 pieces of badass horsepower




Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
28. So what is the gist of what these docs have to say about anything?
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 01:58 PM
Jun 2013

You seem to think they are mundane. Have you read them? Do they reveal any patterns? Surveillance abuses? Protocols for spying on Americans? Stuff some of us might have missed?

You may be right that all the docs are already available, but it sounds like you have to dig to find them. Anonymous just hands us a bone already dug up. So just what do the docs reveal? Can you explain?

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
29. The docs they released just outline the potential for
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:06 PM
Jun 2013

accessing and mining data for intelligence purposes. Starting from the old TIA (Total Information Access) program from years ago, that was put out by the Defense Department in a Request for Proposals, a long chain of public documents have laid out the concept and discussed the possibilities of this technology. It's never been a secret. There were discussions of the FISA courts and their role in this data gathering right here on DU a couple of years ago.

People have forgotten, or didn't listen, or something. So, someone leaked a FISA court order to Greenwald, and he wrote an article, which led to all of this outrage. Nothing new was revealed. It's just that people haven't been paying attention. This whole business has been going on for 6 years already, and even before that.

It started in the 1960s, when the NSA began exploring the possibility of intercepting communications that weren't necessarily military. The technology and capabilities have steadily improved since then. In the 1960s, the big outrage was over whether the NSA could open US First Class Mail. It turned out that they could, as long as it was sent to addresses outside of the country. So, that was done with many, many first class letters addressed overseas. Since then, it has all expanded. International phone calls have been selectively monitored since the 1970s. More outrage ensued, but it was soon forgotten. As capabilities have developed, access has become more and more broad, and more and more communications are tracked or monitored.

None of that is really a secret. It's just that people don't dig too deep in the news, so most people remain unaware.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
30. The problem seems to be it always gets swept under the rug
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:12 PM
Jun 2013

when it needs to be addressed. And you are right. They never seem to retreat. Just a slow steady creep forward.

Maybe Anonymous can serve to draw more attention to the issue of privacy. It is one of my main concerns.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
33. It doesn't really, but it's a complicated issue.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jun 2013

It gets ignored a lot, until someone brings it back into the news again.

If you want to go back to the beginning, read The Puzzle Palace by James Bamford. Written in 1983, it opened the doors of the NSA and revealed some of what goes on there. It's not all accurate, but it's a good introduction. What is not accurate, I cannot say, since I'm still covered by security constraints from the 1960s. But, it got a lot right.

I've been following this since I left the USAF. It's interesting to me. But, this recent stuff just isn't that surprising. The programs have all been discussed widely, here and in other outlets. There's tons of information out there about it. It's not really that newsworthy, unless you don't know anything about what the NSA and FBI, among others, are up to.

If you're really interested, you'll have to go do some reading. It's a long, complicated story, that I couldn't begin to explore in DU posts. It's very interesting, though.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
34. People do not give consent
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:42 PM
Jun 2013

to warrantless searches. And you are right it may not be newsworthy, but how does anyone address this issue without raising it loudly?

Most of us know they spy on us. Some of us just expect Democrats to be less supportive of the idea. We think it's a bad direction for our country to take and we feel the need to speak out against it and tighten the reins on the programs. I take this for granted as the Democratic default position. Seems though I am in the minority for feeling this way.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
35. Given that this business has congressional and court approval,
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jun 2013

outrage is unlikely to change it. That's going to take electing a new crew at Congress. And that's going to take several election cycles. The old guard in Congress is dying off, and it's going to be up to us to find and elect members of Congress who will implement the changes we want. I don't like being spied on, either. I know it's happening, and deal with it as best I can. But, I also don't expect anything to change until we replace current legislative people with a new, younger, group who shares our beliefs. Until we do that, it should be our main focus. And it will have to be done one Congressional District and state at a time.

Do we have the will to do that? I don't know. I'm almost 68 years old, so I don't have that many more congressional election cycles in which to be as active as I have been for decades. I'm hopeful others and younger than I will join in that effort, and in every congressional district. I'm seeing a few at the local caucuses, meetings, and conventions where I am. Not enough, though. In my congressional district, we've been very successful in electing progressives to both state and national legislatures. We also helped get Al Franken elected...by the skin of his teeth, too. My Congressional Representative is Betty McCollum. She's a good House member. Keith Ellison is the member from Minneapolis, and the folks in that district are also doing a great job. But, there is much more to do, and in many other districts. Hard work regained both houses of the MN state legislature in 2012, and the result has been rewarding, with MN making marriage equality happen this year, when just two years ago, we almost made marriage equality unconstitutional.

The reality is that it has to be the people in each district who get progressives elected to the House and to state legislatures. It has to be done locally. Local efforts are more valuable than money in this, especially in close elections.

I'm a practical guy. I don't expect change to come from holding signs and chanting. I gave that up in the early 70s, in favor of getting in and doing the work of getting people elected to office. That is how real change is done. We have opportunities in 2014 and 2016. If we take advantage of them, we'll make progress. If we don't we won't.

There are folks who think that district work is a waste of time, or who want us to think it is a waste of time. It's hard to tell the difference between the folks who are simply discouraged and those who want us to be discouraged. Some of us just have to refuse to be discouraged and get out there.

GOTV 2014!

 

HangOnKids

(4,291 posts)
31. 4 posts from you in this thread but it is no big coup
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:17 PM
Jun 2013

You are comedy gold!

oops typo from laughing so farking hard!

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