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Chris Mills - Gizmodo UK
In the wake of last nights revelation that everyone in the world has a creepy NSA-shaped stalker, defenders of online liberty and generally angry internet people Anonymous have leaked a treasure trove of NSA documents, including seriously important stuff like the US Department of Defenses Strategic Vision for controlling the internet.
The documents 13 in total were posted online, along with an accompanying message full of the normal Anonymous bluster: people wont be silenced, they have the memory of trivia-master elephants, the governments of the world will fall, your average press release really.
The documents seem to mostly relate to PRISM and supporting operations, and mostly date from around 2008, supposedly not long after PRISM first reared its ugly head. One of the key things Anonymous has highlighted from the documents is the existence of an intelligence-sharing network that shares data gleaned from PRISM with intelligence partners around the world. Although were still in the process of combing through the documents, you can bet your last Bitcoin that intelligence has been shared with British security services.
Hit up the documents for further details; just be warned that although this might look like the plot of a B-list movie starring Aston Kutcher, the docs themselves are incredibly dry and full of more acronyms than whatever presentation you should be working on.
http://gizmodo.com/anonymous-just-leaked-a-trove-of-nsa-documents-511854773
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)Viva Anonymous! More please.
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)They did a Google search and found some public documents on government websites.
Script Kiddies...
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)ashling
(25,771 posts)MineralMan
(146,287 posts)All can be googled and seen on the .gov sites where they're located.
Anonymous googled them. Aren't they clever?
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)boilerbabe
(2,214 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)That shit cuts both ways.
ellie
(6,929 posts)hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Thank god for Anonymous.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Well played, Anonymous. Well played.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)amazing stuff to release for a change.
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)They're available on government websites. They're public documents. For example:
http://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/DIEA/DoD_NetOps_Strategic_Vision.pdf
snooper2
(30,151 posts)a DoD doc on their vision for NetOps and bringing all the different enterrpise networks into one secure managable system...
in otherwords, pretty boring reads LOL
On edit, has anybody above that is going "WooHoo! GET THE MAN!" actually read any of the documents? Or even the titles
bunnies
(15,859 posts)FINAL REPORT:
INFORMATION SHARING ENVIRONMENT (ISE)-
SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY REPORTING (SAR)
EVALUATION ENVIRONMENT
JANUARY 2010
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)Had they, they'd have seen that all are publicly available on the web, anyhow. None of this stuff is classified.
The Script Kiddies know how to Google!
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)MineralMan
(146,287 posts)and are readily available online. Wikipedia even has entries on them from some time ago. Nothing Anonymous revealed is a secret. It's all public information.
The Script Kiddies have learned to use Google.
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)It's available on a Department of Defense website:
http://dodcio.defense.gov/Portals/0/Documents/DIEA/DoD_NetOps_Strategic_Vision.pdf
Anonymous anonymously Googled it, apparently. Not a very big coup, really.
Bodhi BloodWave
(2,346 posts)googling the titles before announcing their victory to the Internets
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)the dupes. They didn't bother to do the Google searches and find out that there is nothing to this "Release."
The Script Kiddies used Google for their "hacking." That's all.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)MineralMan
(146,287 posts)I saw this OP and went to look at the link. I clicked through to the document and noticed no classification notice on it, so I Googled the title. Sure enough, I found it on a DoD site, available to anyone. So I checked some of the others. All were public. There are even Wikipedia entries on them.
The bloggers are having a field day with this Anonymous "release." Egg on all of their faces for not checking out the stuff to see whether it was really some sort of Anonymous "coup."
It's inconvenient for some when people actually look at the real information. They're counting on nobody doing that, I guess.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)maybe it will be a learning experience?
Anyway, you see the new Camaro ZL1 , 580 pieces of badass horsepower
DJ13
(23,671 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)You seem to think they are mundane. Have you read them? Do they reveal any patterns? Surveillance abuses? Protocols for spying on Americans? Stuff some of us might have missed?
You may be right that all the docs are already available, but it sounds like you have to dig to find them. Anonymous just hands us a bone already dug up. So just what do the docs reveal? Can you explain?
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)accessing and mining data for intelligence purposes. Starting from the old TIA (Total Information Access) program from years ago, that was put out by the Defense Department in a Request for Proposals, a long chain of public documents have laid out the concept and discussed the possibilities of this technology. It's never been a secret. There were discussions of the FISA courts and their role in this data gathering right here on DU a couple of years ago.
People have forgotten, or didn't listen, or something. So, someone leaked a FISA court order to Greenwald, and he wrote an article, which led to all of this outrage. Nothing new was revealed. It's just that people haven't been paying attention. This whole business has been going on for 6 years already, and even before that.
It started in the 1960s, when the NSA began exploring the possibility of intercepting communications that weren't necessarily military. The technology and capabilities have steadily improved since then. In the 1960s, the big outrage was over whether the NSA could open US First Class Mail. It turned out that they could, as long as it was sent to addresses outside of the country. So, that was done with many, many first class letters addressed overseas. Since then, it has all expanded. International phone calls have been selectively monitored since the 1970s. More outrage ensued, but it was soon forgotten. As capabilities have developed, access has become more and more broad, and more and more communications are tracked or monitored.
None of that is really a secret. It's just that people don't dig too deep in the news, so most people remain unaware.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)when it needs to be addressed. And you are right. They never seem to retreat. Just a slow steady creep forward.
Maybe Anonymous can serve to draw more attention to the issue of privacy. It is one of my main concerns.
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)It gets ignored a lot, until someone brings it back into the news again.
If you want to go back to the beginning, read The Puzzle Palace by James Bamford. Written in 1983, it opened the doors of the NSA and revealed some of what goes on there. It's not all accurate, but it's a good introduction. What is not accurate, I cannot say, since I'm still covered by security constraints from the 1960s. But, it got a lot right.
I've been following this since I left the USAF. It's interesting to me. But, this recent stuff just isn't that surprising. The programs have all been discussed widely, here and in other outlets. There's tons of information out there about it. It's not really that newsworthy, unless you don't know anything about what the NSA and FBI, among others, are up to.
If you're really interested, you'll have to go do some reading. It's a long, complicated story, that I couldn't begin to explore in DU posts. It's very interesting, though.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)to warrantless searches. And you are right it may not be newsworthy, but how does anyone address this issue without raising it loudly?
Most of us know they spy on us. Some of us just expect Democrats to be less supportive of the idea. We think it's a bad direction for our country to take and we feel the need to speak out against it and tighten the reins on the programs. I take this for granted as the Democratic default position. Seems though I am in the minority for feeling this way.
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)outrage is unlikely to change it. That's going to take electing a new crew at Congress. And that's going to take several election cycles. The old guard in Congress is dying off, and it's going to be up to us to find and elect members of Congress who will implement the changes we want. I don't like being spied on, either. I know it's happening, and deal with it as best I can. But, I also don't expect anything to change until we replace current legislative people with a new, younger, group who shares our beliefs. Until we do that, it should be our main focus. And it will have to be done one Congressional District and state at a time.
Do we have the will to do that? I don't know. I'm almost 68 years old, so I don't have that many more congressional election cycles in which to be as active as I have been for decades. I'm hopeful others and younger than I will join in that effort, and in every congressional district. I'm seeing a few at the local caucuses, meetings, and conventions where I am. Not enough, though. In my congressional district, we've been very successful in electing progressives to both state and national legislatures. We also helped get Al Franken elected...by the skin of his teeth, too. My Congressional Representative is Betty McCollum. She's a good House member. Keith Ellison is the member from Minneapolis, and the folks in that district are also doing a great job. But, there is much more to do, and in many other districts. Hard work regained both houses of the MN state legislature in 2012, and the result has been rewarding, with MN making marriage equality happen this year, when just two years ago, we almost made marriage equality unconstitutional.
The reality is that it has to be the people in each district who get progressives elected to the House and to state legislatures. It has to be done locally. Local efforts are more valuable than money in this, especially in close elections.
I'm a practical guy. I don't expect change to come from holding signs and chanting. I gave that up in the early 70s, in favor of getting in and doing the work of getting people elected to office. That is how real change is done. We have opportunities in 2014 and 2016. If we take advantage of them, we'll make progress. If we don't we won't.
There are folks who think that district work is a waste of time, or who want us to think it is a waste of time. It's hard to tell the difference between the folks who are simply discouraged and those who want us to be discouraged. Some of us just have to refuse to be discouraged and get out there.
GOTV 2014!
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)You are comedy gold!
oops typo from laughing so farking hard!
MineralMan
(146,287 posts)Have a good day, otherwise.