The President needs to start an honest dialogue about trust

[B2G]

A public dialogue about what the government is going to do to reestablish trust in the Congress, the Executive & Judicial branches with the American people.

He needs to do it soon. And it needs to be followed by action. And he'd better fucking mean it.

IMHO of course.

[graham4anything]

1. This story is already over. No one cares about it but the political beltway talking heads.

[uponit7771]

4. +1, after they found out WHAT it was and it had oversight they could no longer go with Greenwalds

...hyperbole on the matter

[boilerbabe]

2. he needs to do something because his poor supporters

are embarrassing themselves with their desperate attempts to spin this mess. and they are not helping his situation.

[uponit7771]

3. I agree, Obama better start the dialogue on trusting the sloppy ass'd US M$M "scandals" because they

...have never ever steered Americans wrong before ESPECIALLY when the breaking non new "news" is started by a winger.

Yeah...trust the M$M....they're smart

:rolleyes:

[B2G]

5. So this is the media's fault. Got it.

And to those of you here claiming that it’s being carefully monitored and US citizens aren’t included in this, I have some news for you. This is a big operation. There are most likely tens of thousands of people involved. And it’s going to be around for the rest of our lives. To think that some of these thousands of people might not misuse this information, either now or in the future, is laughable.

I’m sure the President thinks it’s under control. But he also thought the same about the IRS and the press issues. Frankly it seems to me there’s a lot he doesn’t know about within his administration, and the chance that security measures are being abused and he’s not aware of it is pretty damn likely if you ask me.

[uponit7771]

6. ...no, the professional lefts fault for reacting to our sloppy ass'd M$M and their horrible reportin

...instead of waiting a sec or two and getting the real skinny on the issue.

Bush broke the law, Obama is following the law and get a new congress if we don't like they law... period end of story

I really don't listen much to the "Americas Government is the Horrible" crowd either, that's not been my experience

[B2G]

7. I see. It's everyone's fault except for the government's.

Got ya.

[uponit7771]

9. No, people and Americas M$M respond to bright and shiny things & wingers like Greenwald know this

...the second his smell was over the story I knew it was full of bullshit sophistry.

No one is complainging an Top Posting about Japan attacking Pearl Harbor right now....it happened in the past too

[BlueCheese]

8. The law may or may not permit the gathering of so much data.

But it certainly doesn't require it, so blaming the current government for continuing to do so is perfectly valid.

[uponit7771]

11. We don't know that, we don't know what algorithm they're sending the Meta Data through...and

...I would LOVE to hear peoples response if America was attacked, 5k people killed and Obama was NOT collecting the meta data because he didn't want to tick off a couple of the professional left?

Would LOVE to hear the response

[BlueCheese]

13. That's a dangerous hypothetical.

It's completely unprovable, and can be used to justify just about any measure the government could take. Attempts to trade liberty for security are hardly ever a good idea.

Who is the professional left? Is Al Gore one of them? Bernie Sanders? Russ Feingold? Am I?

[Bluenorthwest]

14. Boston would suggest that collecting it is not helpful if you don't know what to do with it.

They need to do all of this, and yet they were interviewing the bombers, who traveled to Dagestan for months just after he had a child, whose parents who brought him here for 'asylum' had left the country after the mother was arrested. One of their friends had a license plate frame saying 'terrorista #1', Russia actually red flagged the guy for them to no avail.
So they also had all of this collected data. Still those two murderers got to murder.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. Just a reminder, this is not about who but about what. It is the law and the practices that

are not being welcomed nor trusted. There are those who have claimed that the law says 'if the President does it, it is not illegal'. Slavery was the law.
And my Senators and Representative are critical of these practices in no uncertain terms, so I don't need any new Congress people, thanks. Some others need to go. But to pretend this is uncontested in the Congress is dishonest as the day is long.

[markiv]

10. I really think talks about trust are a waste of time

a person either acts trustworthy, or they dont

even if they stumble, trust can be restored, but it's restored with actions, not words