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Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 06:58 PM Jun 2013

TRILLIONS to protect Americans from "Terrorists"

Last edited Sat Jun 8, 2013, 07:34 PM - Edit history (1)

and yet we cannot even fund Meals on Wheels during the sequester.

This is the part of the War on Terror and the NSA surveillance state that blows my mind.

"It is also worth noting that out of the 3,033 deaths attributed to terrorism since 2000, 2,996 were from 9/11. More precisely since 9/11, only 33 deaths were from Muslim Terrorists versus 150,000 deaths from homicides in America. Of the 33, all were from mass shootings that are only classified as terrorism because the shooters were Muslim. Had the the shooters been a guy with orange hair who thought he was the joker, then mysteriously it suddenly becomes not-terrorism.

That means you are 4500 times more likely to be killed by a fellow American than by a Muslim jihadist and 1830 times more likely to be killed at work by some corner cutting company than Al Qaeda. So when the next regressive idiot on Fox News or on Talk Radio starts screaming for us to invade Iran, tell them to adequately fund and enforce work place safety inspections and do something about gun control first.
http://democraticprogress.net/2013/04/infographic-deaths-by-terrorism-vs.html

The War on Terror and the surveillance state are not keeping us safer. They are primarily a way to steal oceans of money for a very tiny group of people and to put in place the mechanisms for despotism.

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TRILLIONS to protect Americans from "Terrorists" (Original Post) Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 OP
Good thing we don't have any bridges falling down so we can afford this. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #1
Hell - I'd Settle For Getting The Potholes Fixed cantbeserious Jun 2013 #15
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #2
"primarily a way to steal oceans of money" G_j Jun 2013 #3
So this murderer in Santa Monica is not a terrorist? byeya Jun 2013 #4
Not a single solid case of a terrorist attack foiled by mass, untargeted surveillance and profiling leveymg Jun 2013 #5
I'll take my chances with the rocket surgeon who was going to take out a bridge with a propane GoneFishin Jun 2013 #6
CNN is not any better than Faux News Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #7
+10000000000000 woo me with science Jun 2013 #8
'way to steal oceans of money for a very tiny group of people' marmar Jun 2013 #9
Americans kill more Americans than terrorists! SCVDem Jun 2013 #10
Give me back my portion of the money spent on your fucking war on terror! L0oniX Jun 2013 #11
Not to mention what a war on cancer and heart disease would do. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2013 #12
It's all part of some bigger plan AAO Jun 2013 #13
A wise man once said, "If you break it, you own it." AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #17
The "Pottery Barn" directive, US Code 10.200.200.1 AAO Jun 2013 #18
Anyone got the score on the number of Americans killed by foreign terraists since 9-12-01 vs. indepat Jun 2013 #14
Where did they get the money? They borrowed against the future assets of your grandchildren, AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #16
Trillions to raid the Treasury and bolster rich peoples's accounts. nt valerief Jun 2013 #19
K&R DeSwiss Jun 2013 #20
Where are all those "Deficit Hawks" when you really need them? ~nt 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #21
And trillions to support our invasion/terrorism activities overseas. Arugula Latte Jun 2013 #22
Trillions to protect us, but..... ReRe Jun 2013 #23
Yea people are pissed. felix_numinous Jun 2013 #24
bin Laden laughed at us to his watery grave magellan Jun 2013 #25

G_j

(40,366 posts)
3. "primarily a way to steal oceans of money"
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 07:06 PM
Jun 2013

"...and yet we cannot even fund Meals on Wheels during the sequester."

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
5. Not a single solid case of a terrorist attack foiled by mass, untargeted surveillance and profiling
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 07:27 PM
Jun 2013

The example that was claimed a day or two ago was quickly debunked. I haven't seen another offered since: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/public-documents-contradict-claim-email-spying-foiled-terror

Public Documents Contradict Claim Email Spying Foiled Terror Plot

Defenders of “PRISM” say it stopped subway bombings. But British and American court documents suggest old-fashioned police work nabbed Zazi.
posted on June 7, 2013 at 10:21pm EDT
Ben Smith


You want to talk about lack of efficacy and cost effectiveness in national security spending? The NSA domestic surveillance Program makes the F-35 procurement look like an act of genius.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
6. I'll take my chances with the rocket surgeon who was going to take out a bridge with a propane
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jun 2013

torch if I can get my share of that tax money back in cash.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
11. Give me back my portion of the money spent on your fucking war on terror!
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jun 2013

I don't need your stinking protection from terrorist. I need protection from you! *$^(@*&$)&!(%_((&$#&&^^$(* damn it all

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
13. It's all part of some bigger plan
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 08:16 PM
Jun 2013

If you can orchestrate a "new Pearl Harbor" you can create a new enemy - a new, horrifyingly evil, elusive enemy, willing to live in caves, cut peoples heads off, and strap explosives to their chests.

Americans have been, are, and will be lied to about the "terrorists". The only terrorists we have to fear are the ones created by the United States.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
14. Anyone got the score on the number of Americans killed by foreign terraists since 9-12-01 vs.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 08:22 PM
Jun 2013

number of Americans killed by firearms for which the Congress has refused to enact any meaningful regulation even to keep assault weapons off the street?

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
16. Where did they get the money? They borrowed against the future assets of your grandchildren,
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 08:34 PM
Jun 2013

great-grandchildren, great-great grandchildren, ...

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
20. K&R
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 09:11 PM
Jun 2013
You want to protect us? Stop starting wars, stop bombing people in other countries with drones. Stop interfering in other nations' business. Stop the bullying. Stop overthrowing and assassinating leaders we don't like. Be a little more even handed with Israel/Palestine. You know, had we not continuously done the above for the last 60+ years, we just might not need so much "protecting", but then again it's not really about protecting the American people. It's about using cool toys, providing business for corporations and cya.

Cali
 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
22. And trillions to support our invasion/terrorism activities overseas.
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 09:43 PM
Jun 2013

How many hundreds of thousands of innocents have we slaughtered for profit over the past several decades?

Think what this country could have been had that money gone to education, healthcare, infrastructure...

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
23. Trillions to protect us, but.....
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 10:00 PM
Jun 2013

K&R

.... who's going to protect us from our government?

"When the people fear the government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty." ~~~ Thomas Jefferson

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
24. Yea people are pissed.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:07 PM
Jun 2013

People are pissed who just got told there isn't enough in social security, while we watch social programs get cut, while we watch our infrastructure deteriorate.

We are pissed because we are being REMINDED that yet another elite group with unfettered influence on government policy, gets trillions of dollars, while we have no say in the matter.

No agency should operate without ANY oversight or ANY audit. There is no way to know if they go rogue--this in fact could be the very definition of a rogue agency.

We are pissed because we are tired of playing this game. This dog and pony show of a government who are more interested in corporate, banking and secret agencies than they are the American people.

Excuse us while we vent our anger at being told by people in our own party to stop yer whining, it is old news, and be careful not to aid and comfort the people on the right. Because, you know, people might up and vote Republican. The sad truth is, if our country united against abusive government agencies we might have influence. But we are programmed into teams of right and left, and the games must go on.

The presence of secret elite agencies was obvious after the assassinations of the 60s. We get REMINDED of them occasionally, and this is one of those times. Excuse us if it hit a nerve.

Thanks Vinnie for posting this.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
25. bin Laden laughed at us to his watery grave
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:11 PM
Jun 2013

He didn't have to lift a finger after 9/11. He just sat back and watched us destroy ourselves.

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