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Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:37 PM Jun 2013

Edward Snowden is the NSA whistle-blower

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

Series: Glenn Greenwald on security and liberty
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Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance

The 29-year-old source behind the biggest intelligence leak in US history explains his motives, his uncertain future and why he never intended on hiding in the shadows

The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former technical assistant for the CIA and current employee of the defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton. Snowden has been working at the National Security Agency for the last four years as an employee of various outside contractors, including Booz Allen and Dell.

The Guardian, after several days of interviews, is revealing his identity at his request. From the moment he decided to disclose numerous top-secret documents to the public, he was determined not to opt for the protection of anonymity. "I have no intention of hiding who I am because I know I have done nothing wrong," he said.

Snowden will go down in history as one of America's most consequential whistleblowers, alongside Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning. He is responsible for handing over material from one of the world's most secretive organisations – the NSA.

In a note accompanying the first set of documents he provided, he wrote: "I understand that I will be made to suffer for my actions," but "I will be satisfied if the federation of secret law, unequal pardon and irresistible executive powers that rule the world that I love are revealed even for an instant."
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Edward Snowden is the NSA whistle-blower (Original Post) Luminous Animal Jun 2013 OP
Edward Snowden: 'I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things' usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #1
Agreed. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #3
Let me join you in a toast. premium Jun 2013 #25
So he moves to China? nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #75
Maybe it was to escape the reach of the National Security State? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #81
China not only monitors, it actively censors the Internet. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #108
Snowden will be feeling very cold kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #2
... warrprayer Jun 2013 #4
Proving how necessary whistle blowers are. If they were smart, they would ignore him. They won't so sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #52
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #5
A good and brave man. Bravo! Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #6
We had to fight a war to create this country. To toss it away would be weak and pitiful. Gregorian Jun 2013 #7
Too bad ... 99Forever Jun 2013 #8
+1 Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #16
Agreed. Unfortunately. nt Nay Jun 2013 #59
That article drips with praise treestar Jun 2013 #9
Fresh up yer talking points. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #19
Then why single out the POTUS treestar Jun 2013 #32
His disappointment with Obama came from Obama's promises. 7wo7rees Jun 2013 #50
Like what? treestar Jun 2013 #67
I would've remained anonymous just for my family's safety. Not even from the Govt, but from JaneyVee Jun 2013 #10
It's about creating heroes. ProSense Jun 2013 #13
Now there is the rinse cycle! Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #22
The massively unconstitutional spying program is about 'creating heros' fasinating usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #24
You can ProSense Jun 2013 #36
"The fact is that the program was conducted legally." About as legal as those drone strikes that Th1onein Jun 2013 #56
+1 Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #33
They have a new hero to worship here treestar Jun 2013 #34
and you can get back to worshipping at the feet of Obama and cali Jun 2013 #46
that's what you'll be doing treestar Jun 2013 #47
bwahahaha, honey. you are the hero worshipper. cali Jun 2013 #51
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #57
Again you think you can just slap a label and make it so treestar Jun 2013 #65
Reminds me of Airplane, "and don't call me Shirely(surely)". Sorry, it just came into my mind still_one Jun 2013 #80
Not to worry, they've already started the smear campaign on him too. We can't have heroes sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #53
lololololl treestar Jun 2013 #66
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #39
If it is not "illegal... kentuck Jun 2013 #64
Yes they were. We are a representative government, and they voted in those people who still_one Jun 2013 #82
I would say he's in a better position than us to know how impossible that is kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #15
Safer for him to come out in front of this usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #29
He's hiding in Hong Kong, you know. And hopes for asylum in Iceland. randome Jun 2013 #35
In order to publicly speak truth to power, otherwise usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #43
US and Hong Kong have a bilateral extradition treaty JaneyVee Jun 2013 #44
I can sense you drooling over the prospect of prosecution. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #78
Just reporting the facts, absent of any bias, and you resort to that?! JaneyVee Jun 2013 #90
Why yes. Yes I did resort to that. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #92
Making wildly inaccurate assumptions about people is now a progressive trait? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #94
I'm an anarcho syndicalist. "Progressive" is meaningless. It a term appropriated by Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #96
Sweet!! I always appreciate a Monty Python reference! msanthrope Jun 2013 #99
:) I love that movie and it's a great scene. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #105
Oh, so it was just a momentary lapse of bad judgement on your part? You're forgiven. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #107
k&r for courage. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #11
. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #12
one hell of a man backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #14
Are there more docs? Nothing released so far is illegal. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #17
when you have a secret court backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #21
bob I dont think anyone likes that we have to have FISA courts, I know I dont care for it but cstanleytech Jun 2013 #49
adhere to the constitution as much as possible? backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #54
Well of course it is legal, see, we got this here law that we can't show you that Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #23
The pen register act, Patriot act, and FISA amendments are well established. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #28
The thing is, "it is just the law" keeps getting trotted out as a defense of Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #30
They may terrible laws, but all I'm saying is where is the damning stuff? BenzoDia Jun 2013 #38
Why does information about how our government operates have to be damning or shocking Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #40
I never said anything about relevancy. I'm saying, "Yawn, tell us something we don't know". BenzoDia Jun 2013 #109
Wonder what the Chinese government will do now? Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #18
I am the great and powerful Oz! Gregorian Jun 2013 #20
That is so sweet! Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #26
I can imagine outing himself is a huge relief. I hope he can make it Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #27
Should have known its a younger person who still believes! dkf Jun 2013 #31
Just for Information. The Edward Snowden in this thread is in Hong Kong. MineralMan Jun 2013 #37
K&R midnight Jun 2013 #41
Obama, the Repubs, and DiFi don't take kindly to being exposed and embarrased brentspeak Jun 2013 #42
Edward Snowden. timdog44 Jun 2013 #45
"The Chinese lost a valuable asset and the Muslim are calling him a Hero" nashville_brook Jun 2013 #48
And don't forget, 'he's nuts' too. The smear campaign begins, thanks for the heads up. But you sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #58
Honestly - WTF? suffragette Jun 2013 #70
Your assertion that he's a Chinese asset is false DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #61
Correction: It's not the Muslims it's the Muslim... which Muslim, who knows? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #68
I guess we'll never know now. It's disappeared from Wikipedia DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #74
I guess if you want to timdog44 Jun 2013 #69
A disappearing source that you never linked to? I'm impressed. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #71
I really don't timdog44 Jun 2013 #73
Edward Snowden timdog44 Jun 2013 #76
Are you now saying that you edited Wikipedia to add The Muslim? DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #79
Why do you want to lead me on. timdog44 Jun 2013 #83
I find nothing about The Muslim. Please post an excerpt. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #84
All I can do is repost what I found and failed to put in a citation. timdog44 Jun 2013 #86
No I am not. timdog44 Jun 2013 #88
See post #93 suffragette Jun 2013 #95
Ok, here is the citation. And I expect an apology. timdog44 Jun 2013 #98
Yes, it does say that. Sorry for fucking with you, but... DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #100
Thank you. timdog44 Jun 2013 #102
Are you aware that Wikipedia has a revision history page on entries? suffragette Jun 2013 #87
I wish I could. timdog44 Jun 2013 #89
The revision page contains links to every revision made suffragette Jun 2013 #93
I have done what you said. timdog44 Jun 2013 #97
I'm glad that you will cite what you post from now on suffragette Jun 2013 #101
I was not referring that to you. If it came out that way timdog44 Jun 2013 #103
Thanks. I accept your apology. suffragette Jun 2013 #106
I went back and looked and I said that timdog44 Jun 2013 #104
I have gone back to Wikipedia timdog44 Jun 2013 #91
Discommendation it is! *PLONK* backscatter712 Jun 2013 #85
Off the top of my head... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #55
To be fair, reporters rarely right their own headlines... Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #77
Ah hurd he molestered a gurl in Sweden! DirkGently Jun 2013 #60
A bigger hero than Obama will ever be! reformist2 Jun 2013 #62
I think you need timdog44 Jun 2013 #72
Brave he fled to the Chinese in Hong Kong..... Historic NY Jun 2013 #63
 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
1. Edward Snowden: 'I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things'
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jun 2013

Agreed, and I salute him for sticking to his principles, American principles, and I hope he has a powerful legal team on board to take these neo-fascists policies head-on!

I also believe that he is making a good move by going public with his identity right away as it will take away a lot of the leverage the state will have as trying to portray him as a traitor.

Edward Snowden: American Patriot

Your fellow Americans salute and support you

 

premium

(3,731 posts)
25. Let me join you in a toast.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:01 PM
Jun 2013

The more govt. transparency, the better for citizens to judge what their govt. is doing on their behalf.

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
81. Maybe it was to escape the reach of the National Security State?
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:24 PM
Jun 2013

Not sure if that will be effective, and I agree, that the Chinese are just as bad when it comes to surveillance of their citizens, and can be worse when it comes to prosecuting them... but I wonder if there is anywhere on earth where the governments are not spying on their citizens?

I would like to think that with our constitution, we have substantial grounds to change the way our government behaves when it does not conform with it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
108. China not only monitors, it actively censors the Internet.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jun 2013

Ironically, his days of freedom are likely over even if never arrested.

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
4. ...
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jun 2013



Those without honor do not recognize truth. They profit through the trading of falsehoods. They pay homage to whatever benefits them singularly, regardless of the suffering it may cause others. The honorable continuously seek information. They recognize truth when it is present, regardless of the costs and consequences associated with it. They

fight, suffer, and die to protect truth. Without honor, truth cannot exist. In the absence of truth, all suffer.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
52. Proving how necessary whistle blowers are. If they were smart, they would ignore him. They won't so
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 04:48 PM
Jun 2013

he will become a hero. And he will have proven how dangerous this secretive government is. Not much different from those countries we have the gall to criticize.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
8. Too bad ...
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jun 2013

... our President doesn't have the ethics, courage, and morals of Edward Snowden, we would be a much better society if he did.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
9. That article drips with praise
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jun 2013

It is sickeningly sweet. One thing it does not tell us (other than exactly what we are to think - the next Julian we have here) is just what documents did he leak? Where is there a list?

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
19. Fresh up yer talking points.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:57 PM
Jun 2013

You're out of step, this should be the rinse cycle and you are on spin.

How about this simple test: if it sucks when bush was in charge, it sucks under Obama too.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
32. Then why single out the POTUS
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jun 2013

either/or? People who don't like a power of the government reduce the government to "the current president" - all government functions continue.

But what did he leak exactly? This was supposedly all known.

And that does not change the fact this article tells you exactly what you are to think - how is that independent thinking? Talk about talking points. That articles is dripping with them.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
50. His disappointment with Obama came from Obama's promises.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 04:43 PM
Jun 2013

Citing source:

He left the CIA in 2009 in order to take his first job working for a private contractor that assigned him to a functioning NSA facility, stationed on a military base in Japan. It was then, he said, that he "watched as Obama advanced the very policies that I thought would be reined in", and as a result, "I got hardened."

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
10. I would've remained anonymous just for my family's safety. Not even from the Govt, but from
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jun 2013

nutjobs who may consider him an enemy.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
13. It's about creating heroes.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:50 PM
Jun 2013

"Snowden will go down in history as one of America's most consequential whistleblowers, alongside Daniel Ellsberg and Bradley Manning. He is responsible for handing over material from one of the world's most secretive organisations – the NSA."

I mean, given that the program is not illegal, and it has been know about for years, the only thing new is that current information was leaked.


 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
24. The massively unconstitutional spying program is about 'creating heros' fasinating
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:01 PM
Jun 2013

conspiracy theory you got there.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
36. You can
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:28 PM
Jun 2013

"The massively unconstitutional spying program is about 'creating heros' fasinating"

...claim the program is "unconstitutional," but that's your opinion based on what you want to believe. The fact is that the program was conducted legally.

The government has been collecting information for decades. The question has always been whether or not those activities violate the Constitution, even when they are in compliance with existing laws.

Smith v. Maryland, 442 U.S. 735 (1979) - No warrant required for call metadata
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022966764

Meet the Carnivore system
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022972777

This is as good a time as any to have the debate. It's probably one of the best times.

Lawmakers Tear Into Obama’s Surveillance Program, Pledge To Challenge It At Supreme Court
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022977943


Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
56. "The fact is that the program was conducted legally." About as legal as those drone strikes that
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 05:09 PM
Jun 2013

killed an American. TARGETED an American citizen. You can legalize anything, but that doesn't make it right and just. And, when you LIE about it, and then threaten the whistleblowers that tell the truth about your "secret" program, it just shows guilty knowledge. Legal, my ass.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. They have a new hero to worship here
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:24 PM
Jun 2013

They knew they needed one without Julian's sexual charges or Bradley's violation of military code.

Nothing was even leaked here. It will be hilarious if he is not persecuted and they have to start exaggerating some misfortune in his life to be the "persecution."



 

cali

(114,904 posts)
46. and you can get back to worshipping at the feet of Obama and
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 04:27 PM
Jun 2013

defending him no matter what as well as demonizing anyone who dares to criticize him, dearie.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
47. that's what you'll be doing
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 04:32 PM
Jun 2013

Whatever comes out about Eddie.

I don't worship Obama. I just don't hate him so passionately and don't think he runs the entire government and world and is solely to blame for everything I may not like.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
51. bwahahaha, honey. you are the hero worshipper.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jun 2013

and you have a history here that proves that. I don't have a history of simple minded worship or demonization.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
65. Again you think you can just slap a label and make it so
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jun 2013

I am the one asking substantive questions. I don't accept "hero worshipper."

What's hilarious is the upcoming persecution of Eddie.

And don't call me "honey," I am sure you can be alerted for that.

still_one

(92,055 posts)
80. Reminds me of Airplane, "and don't call me Shirely(surely)". Sorry, it just came into my mind
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jun 2013

has nothing to do with this thread

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
53. Not to worry, they've already started the smear campaign on him too. We can't have heroes
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 04:54 PM
Jun 2013

without smear campaigns, we know that. I'm fine with Manning and Assange, never did believe the lies especially after seeing the CIA memo planning the smear campaign against Assange settling on 'getting him involved in a sex scandal' months earlier. We expected it. It didn't work. They might want to start trying something else, do what Bush did with War Criminals, give him a medal. That would probably de-hero him pretty quickly.

But when the smear campaigns begin, it only enhances the status of Whistle Blowers especially when what they have revealed is the truth.

So far the smear campaign says he is nuts, only more clinically defined, but that is the gist of it. You won't be disappointed, you'll be getting plenty of material to try to discredit him and distract from what he revealed. Same old story, it happened to Ellsberg also and a few other recent whistle-blowers who have now been proven to have been correct.

Response to ProSense (Reply #13)

kentuck

(111,037 posts)
64. If it is not "illegal...
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jun 2013

...it really should not be a big deal. But it is. Citizens at large do not accept it as legal and were not asked to vote on it or to approve it.

still_one

(92,055 posts)
82. Yes they were. We are a representative government, and they voted in those people who
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:25 PM
Jun 2013

approved it.

The populous is responsible. They are responsible for bush, and those congress folks who voted for the patriot act.

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
29. Safer for him to come out in front of this
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:08 PM
Jun 2013

As his identity would have been exposed sooner or later, and the spin would have been to paint him as a traitor, hiding in the shadows.

Whereas now he can have fist bite at the apple of directing the narrative that will be told about him.

No doubt he will have to be very careful now, but at least he will have a chance of getting his side of the story out before they take him down.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
35. He's hiding in Hong Kong, you know. And hopes for asylum in Iceland.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:27 PM
Jun 2013

[hr]
[font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font]
[hr]

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
43. In order to publicly speak truth to power, otherwise
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:50 PM
Jun 2013

That would be hard to do in solitary confinement, and being tortured with the prospect of life in prison or even execution at the hands of our National Security State.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
94. Making wildly inaccurate assumptions about people is now a progressive trait?
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:54 PM
Jun 2013

And here I thought attaching oneself to reality, facts, & evidence was a progressive trait. Would you like me to delete my factual statement that I provided which included links to sources to? Maybe that will make you feel better?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
96. I'm an anarcho syndicalist. "Progressive" is meaningless. It a term appropriated by
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 07:04 PM
Jun 2013

some Democrats because liberals were cowed by the right into abandoning the word "liberal."

Your factual statement does not make me feel good or bad. I already knew the information.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
99. Sweet!! I always appreciate a Monty Python reference!
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 07:16 PM
Jun 2013



Check out 1:48 for the explanation of the anarcho-syndicalist commune!
 

backwoodsbob

(6,001 posts)
21. when you have a secret court
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:58 PM
Jun 2013

who we don't even know who it is comprised of...decide the legalities of spying....while kept secret from the public...we have a problem

cstanleytech

(26,212 posts)
49. bob I dont think anyone likes that we have to have FISA courts, I know I dont care for it but
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 04:41 PM
Jun 2013

I am also realistic enough to admit that there are times when the government needs to keep some things secret but also they need to try an adhere to the constitution as much as possible given the issues they are dealing with and the FISA courts are the compromise put into place to allow it and so far SCOTUS hasnt ruled that the FISA courts are illegal nor has congress passed legislation to ban their usage.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
23. Well of course it is legal, see, we got this here law that we can't show you that
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:00 PM
Jun 2013

Makes it legal to do exactly what we can't tell you we are doing. Blah dee blah blah.

BenzoDia

(1,010 posts)
28. The pen register act, Patriot act, and FISA amendments are well established.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:08 PM
Jun 2013

I'm not saying they're morally okay. Just that it is the law.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
30. The thing is, "it is just the law" keeps getting trotted out as a defense of
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:45 PM - Edit history (1)

these programs when, to many, these programs are indefensible.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
40. Why does information about how our government operates have to be damning or shocking
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:43 PM
Jun 2013

to be relevant.

As for my take, I find massive surveillance unnerving. I find that secret laws and that secrecy courts that regulate and oversee this surveillance undemocratic. I find that corporations, whose technology we rely on to live in this modern world, co-operating to spy on us undemocratic.


BenzoDia

(1,010 posts)
109. I never said anything about relevancy. I'm saying, "Yawn, tell us something we don't know".
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 09:18 PM
Jun 2013

This is way less scandalous then I thought it'd be.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
20. I am the great and powerful Oz!
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:57 PM
Jun 2013

I get such a good feeling from this. Revealing the weakness of the powerful is just like that scene where the curtain is pulled away from Oz, showing that he's just a little man.

I feel good right now. Like maybe hope never does really die.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
27. I can imagine outing himself is a huge relief. I hope he can make it
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:07 PM
Jun 2013

to Iceland and I hope Iceland protects him.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
31. Should have known its a younger person who still believes!
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:20 PM
Jun 2013

And to put the rest of his life up...it's a huge service he has done for us.

MineralMan

(146,242 posts)
37. Just for Information. The Edward Snowden in this thread is in Hong Kong.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:31 PM
Jun 2013

There are several other people with the same name, so it's important to know which one is being discussed.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
42. Obama, the Repubs, and DiFi don't take kindly to being exposed and embarrased
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 03:49 PM
Jun 2013

If the technology was available, they'd be sending these guys to hunt down Snowden:

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
45. Edward Snowden.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 04:23 PM
Jun 2013

Edward Joseph Snowden[1] is a technical contractor and a whistleblower who released classified material on the United States National Security Agency's PRISM surveillance program.[2]

Personal life[edit]

In 2003, Edward Snowden enlisted in the United States Army. He was discharged after breaking both of his legs in a training accident. He then went to work as a security guard for a covert NSA facility at the University of Maryland. After that he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. In 2007 the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Geneva, Switzerland, where he was responsible for maintaining computer network security. Leaving the CIA in 2009, he worked for a private contractor inside an NSA facility on a United States military base in Japan.[2]

At the time of his departure from the US in May 2013, he was working for defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton inside of the NSA in Hawaii. He described his life as "very comfortable", living with his girlfriend and earning a salary of "roughly $200,000."[2] He arrived in Hong Kong and began living in a hotel room, where he provided an interview to The Guardian.[2]

The Chinese lost a valuable asset and the Muslim are calling him a Hero ....



Here are members or past member of "Boose" Allen

Jonathan Black - Director, Corporate Affairs, University of Oxford[17]
Rohit Bhagat - Global Chief Operating Officer, Barclays Global Investors[18]
Sir (Francis) Christopher Buchan Bland - Chairman of the Royal Shakespeare Company, and former Chairman of British Telecommunications PLC[19][20][21]
Chipper Boulas - Venture advisor in Paris, France and former Vice President of Corporate Strategy, eBay[citation needed]
Jonathan S. Bush - President, CEO, and Co-founder of athenaHealth[22][23]
Art Collins - Chairman and CEO, Medtronic, Inc.[24]
Tim Collins - Founder and Chief Executive of Ripplewood Holdings[25]
Edward C. Davies (Ted) - Managing Partner, Unisys Federal Systems[26][27]
Karen Fawcett - Director, Standard Chartered Bank Malaysia[28]
Richard Gay - Senior Vice President of Strategy and Business Operations for VH1 and CMT, MTV Networks[29][30]
Rhonda Germany - Vice President of Strategy and Business Development, Honeywell[31][32]
Patrick Gorman - Senior Vice President and Chief Information Security Officer (SVP/CISO), Bank of America[33]
Gerry Horkan - Vice President of Corporate Strategy, Yahoo! Inc.[34]
Paul Idzik - Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Barclays PLC[35][36]
Abigail Johnson - President of Fidelity Investments
Raymond J. Lane - General Partner at Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers; Chairman of the Board of Trustees at Carnegie Mellon University, former President and Chief Operating Officer of Oracle Corporation[37][38][39][40] and chairman of Hewlett-Packard[41][42]
Edward J. O'Hare - Chief Information Officer for the U.S. General Services Administration's's Federal Acquisition Service; former Assistant Commissioner, General Services Administration, and former VP at Dynanet[43][44]
Torsten Oltmanns - currently Global Marketing Director at Roland Berger Strategy Consultants and Assistant Prof. at University of Innsbruck[45][46]
Todd Y. Park - Co-founder and Chief Development Officer of Athena Health[22][47][48][49]
Mark DeSantis - Chief Executive Officer of ANGLE Technology Consulting and Management and former CEO and President of Formation3 LLC[50][51]
Stan Scoggins - Vice President of Worldwide Digital Assets, Universal Studios[52][53]
Owen Nieberg - Chief Operating Officer, All About Braces
Deven Sharma - President, Standard & Poor's and VP for global strategy at The McGraw-Hill Companies[54][55]
Michael Wolf - Former president and COO of MTV Networks[56][57]

nashville_brook

(20,958 posts)
48. "The Chinese lost a valuable asset and the Muslim are calling him a Hero"
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 04:36 PM
Jun 2013

wow -- what a piece of work this one is.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
58. And don't forget, 'he's nuts' too. The smear campaign begins, thanks for the heads up. But you
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 05:13 PM
Jun 2013

should by now we know what to expect whenever a hero takes the risk he has taken to inform the people of information they have a right to have.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
61. Your assertion that he's a Chinese asset is false
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 05:18 PM
Jun 2013

Your assertion that Muslims love him is pretty dark too.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
74. I guess we'll never know now. It's disappeared from Wikipedia
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jun 2013

All this totalitarian bs is depressing. It's nice to be able to laugh just a little, due to disappearing proof about The Muslim.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
69. I guess if you want to
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:10 PM
Jun 2013

believe Edward Snowden over the government that represents us, it is OK. The information about the Chinese and the Muslim references were straight form Wikipedia. I have since gone back and those statements have been edited out. By the Washington Post? So do you trust the Washington Post?

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
73. I really don't
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jun 2013

care if you believe me or not. Believe Snowden if you want. And then put your head in the sand.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
76. Edward Snowden
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jun 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_snowden Now you can go in and see where I personally edited the information for which you seem to be calling me a liar. I don't care if you think me a liar. I know you to be a fool to say that about a fellow DUer.
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
79. Are you now saying that you edited Wikipedia to add The Muslim?
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jun 2013

Have I misunderstood you? Who is The Muslim, and what sort of forbidden love has he expressed for Snowden? Tis is starting to sound like an old radio show.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
83. Why do you want to lead me on.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:25 PM
Jun 2013

I don't have privileges to edit on Wikipedia. All I did was post what I found on Wiki a the time I found it.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
86. All I can do is repost what I found and failed to put in a citation.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:32 PM
Jun 2013

Edward Joseph Snowden is a technical contractor and a whistleblower who released classified material on the United States National Security Agency's PRISM surveillance program.

Personal life

In 2003, Edward Snowden enlisted in the United States Army. He was discharged after breaking both of his legs in a training accident. He then went to work as a security guard for a covert NSA facility at the University of Maryland. After that he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. In 2007 the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Geneva, Switzerland, where he was responsible for maintaining computer network security. Leaving the CIA in 2009, he worked for a private contractor inside an NSA facility on a United States military base in Japan.

At the time of his departure from the US in May 2013, he was working for defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton inside of the NSA in Hawaii. He described his life as "very comfortable", living with his girlfriend and earning a salary of "roughly $200,000." He arrived in Hong Kong and began living in a hotel room, where he provided an interview to The Guardian.

The Chinese lost a valuable asset and the Muslim are calling him a Hero ....
 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
100. Yes, it does say that. Sorry for fucking with you, but...
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 07:20 PM
Jun 2013

...when you go around pasting stuff about the Chinese and Muslims and then tell me our government is making that claim, don't expect a real easy time of it.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
102. Thank you.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 07:24 PM
Jun 2013

As far as I am concerned all is OK, if OK with you. I will for sure put citations with stuff I post from now on. I have learned something at the very least. I will give you the credit for that. I am not sure who put that into Wikipedia, but I suppose I could find out, but I have been there enough already. Later.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
87. Are you aware that Wikipedia has a revision history page on entries?
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jun 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Snowden&action=history


They even provide a link to a revision history search engine on that page.

Can you now provide a link to the original Wiki entry that matches what you posted here?

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
89. I wish I could.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:37 PM
Jun 2013

And I don't know how to do what you are talking about.

I suspect maybe someone here may be able to. If anyone doubts me or believes me, maybe they would do it.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
93. The revision page contains links to every revision made
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:53 PM
Jun 2013

And those links show all the text for each revision. There are even time stamps, so you could look by what time you copied the info.

If that's the wiki page you copied the info you posted from, you could easily find it from the link I posted.

It would be very easy for you to show that what you have stated is true, if you believe that is the case.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
97. I have done what you said.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 07:08 PM
Jun 2013

It was a bit of a pain in the butt. But I found the citation. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Edward_Snowden&oldid=559115266

Edward Joseph Snowden[1] is a technical contractor and a whistleblower who released classified material on the United States National Security Agency's PRISM surveillance program.[2]

Personal life

In 2003, Edward Snowden enlisted in the United States Army. He was discharged after breaking both of his legs in a training accident. He then went to work as a security guard for a covert NSA facility at the University of Maryland. After that he went to the CIA, where he worked on IT security. In 2007 the CIA stationed him with diplomatic cover in Geneva, Switzerland, where he was responsible for maintaining computer network security. Leaving the CIA in 2009, he worked for a private contractor inside an NSA facility on a United States military base in Japan.[2]

At the time of his departure from the US in May 2013, he was working for defense contractor Booz Allen Hamilton inside of the NSA in Hawaii. He described his life as "very comfortable", living with his girlfriend and earning a salary of "roughly $200,000."[2] He arrived in Hong Kong and began living in a hotel room, where he provided an interview to The Guardian.[2]

The Chinese lost a valuable asset and the Muslim are calling him a Hero ....

And now the person who thinks I am a liar needs to step forward and say "I am sorry". This pissed me of to no end. I thought we are better than that here. I respect a difference of opinion and even some fighting. I don't like being disparaged the way I was. You can bet your sweet, not, ass I will cite everything I post on here from now on.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
101. I'm glad that you will cite what you post from now on
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 07:24 PM
Jun 2013

That's important to do. And I appreciate that you went through the links to find the wiki entry that included that odd bit of editorializing. It looks like the process there did a good job of reviewing content and removing bad content.

Speaking of being disparaged, why the need to write "You can bet your sweet, not, ass" to me?

I just asked you to back up your claim and provided you the means to do so.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
103. I was not referring that to you. If it came out that way
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jun 2013

it was totally unintended. I still get confused as to who the response goes to sometimes. It was really directed at someone else, but I can't give you a citation for that. On this one, my word will have to do. Please accept my apology for the unintended slight.

You were very helpful and I have learned something new today and that makes it a good day, to your credit.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
106. Thanks. I accept your apology.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 07:36 PM
Jun 2013

It can be confusing when posting to someone here, especially when you are looking at many different threads in succession, as we all often do.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
104. I went back and looked and I said that
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 07:31 PM
Jun 2013

"You can bet your sweet, not, ass" in the response to your post but meant it for someone else. Another thing I learned today. That makes number two. Thank you for teaching them both to me.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
91. I have gone back to Wikipedia
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:49 PM
Jun 2013

and cannot find the original post I cited. I know it to be there as it is in its original form as I posted about him. The first was about him and the other part of the post was about Booze Warner or whoever he worked for. And I posted that part to show what a bunch of "do gooders" he worked with and for. Believe me or not. At this point I care not. I know I was correct. Call me liar to your hearts content. He is not what he seems to be.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
55. Off the top of my head...
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 05:03 PM
Jun 2013

Whiskey Ring
Teapot Dome
My Lai
Pentagon Papers
Watergate
Saturday Night Massacre
Iran-Contra

Meh.

But popping a years-old open secret, Congressionally authorized, legal, with no known victims...

"the biggest intelligence leak in US history"

or...

"one of the most significant leaks in US political history"

Is Glenn Greenwald today's Edward R. Murrow or what?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
77. To be fair, reporters rarely right their own headlines...
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jun 2013

So this line: "the biggest intelligence leak in US history", most likely does not come from Greenwald

But this line: "one of the most significant leaks in US political history", does.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
60. Ah hurd he molestered a gurl in Sweden!
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 05:18 PM
Jun 2013


... just wanted to be first!

Seriously, nice going, Sr. Snowden. Love that he's with private industry. No naked military cell for this guy (let's hope).

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
72. I think you need
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 06:13 PM
Jun 2013

to rethink your assertion there. Snowden is a self seeking 15 minute of fame seeker. Bigger hero than Obama? Man, the people tthey let on here on DU.

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