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mfcorey1

(11,001 posts)
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:04 AM Jun 2013

Whistleblower or traitor? You decide.

Why flee to a country that is in the backdoor of China? Is the hacking of government by China related to the sudden release of all this information? Was it given to China before it was released to the public? Are we being duped? Was he assured a safe haven? Ask many questions before patting him on the back. Is the statement that he doesn't care about the politics of it all just really politics? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Whistleblower or traitor? You decide. (Original Post) mfcorey1 Jun 2013 OP
That's an interesting point. Maybe he has more classified info for the Chinese to blackmail JaneyVee Jun 2013 #1
US Constitution Article 3 Section 3 atreides1 Jun 2013 #2
That won't stop people from using it. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #3
Like I posted, whistle blower or traitor. You decide. mfcorey1 Jun 2013 #5
Not referencing you, per se. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #6
"Some people say". Am I on Democratic Underground, or FOX News. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #4
Treason is Constitutionally defined Recursion Jun 2013 #7
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
1. That's an interesting point. Maybe he has more classified info for the Chinese to blackmail
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:07 AM
Jun 2013

them out of extradition. And he did leave on May 1st. Less than a month later we find out about Chinese hacking. This could have been handled so much differently.

ETA: I'll wait for full facts before jumping on or off the bandwagon.

atreides1

(16,072 posts)
2. US Constitution Article 3 Section 3
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:26 AM
Jun 2013

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Snowden as of yet has not levied war against the US and the last time I checked the Chinese were not listed as an enemy...so if he's guilty of anything it's illegally releasing classified documents.

So the term "traitor" really has no place in the discussion since neither of the two requirements have been met!

Have a nice day...

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
3. That won't stop people from using it.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jun 2013

>>>So the term "traitor" really has no place in the discussion since neither of the two requirements have been met! >>>>>

Using the word "traitor" is *fun*. It feels good. And its use tends to obscure the issue.

Keeping the issue obscure... at this point... is what its all about.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
6. Not referencing you, per se.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:59 AM
Jun 2013

Just general and repeated abuse of the term in re. to whistleblower cases : Ellsberg, Manning, Drake, DeVoort, Tamm and on and on it goes.

It's a little tedious at this point and some folks ( not YOU) might be better advised to invest in a thesaurus. They need a word that allows for the same sort of emotional, thought- free spleen venting they get from "traitor" and means something *close* to what they really want to say, but shouldn't ( 'cause it's not the right word) .

How 'bout "betrayer"? "Backstabber?" "Sneak"?

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
4. "Some people say". Am I on Democratic Underground, or FOX News.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:43 AM
Jun 2013

What looks like question marks in the OP are actually Cavuto marks.

*PLONK*

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
7. Treason is Constitutionally defined
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 12:01 PM
Jun 2013

And even within that narrow definition, applications of that law have been for the most egregious cases only (except when Roy Cohn was prosecuting). Let's not change that.

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