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Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:52 PM Jun 2013

What's the problem with PRISM?

From: http://news.yahoo.com/whats-problem-prism-203441280.html

The law says the government must limit its surveillance to people "reasonably believed to be located outside the United States."

But everything hinges words such as "targeting" and "collecting," which have unique meanings in the spy world.

As the classified court order released last week shows, officials can grab phone logs from everybody and still say they haven't targeted or collected information on a single American. Only when an analyst reaches into the archives and looks at the information has something been collected.

Clapper uses a library analogy: The government can fill its shelves with books containing the phone numbers of Americans, who they're talking to, how long they talk and where they call from. That doesn't count as collection.

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What's the problem with PRISM? (Original Post) Th1onein Jun 2013 OP
Am I a target because I receive enciphered Nigerian emails? Downwinder Jun 2013 #1
That would be bad enough if that was ALL they "weren't" collecting magellan Jun 2013 #2
HEY! He almost told the truth! Th1onein Jun 2013 #3
Do I have to? magellan Jun 2013 #4
The existence of the archive is a threat to liberty. reformist2 Jun 2013 #5
Absolutely it is. eom Th1onein Jun 2013 #6
People say that about gun registration too Recursion Jun 2013 #7
Then why do libraries call their contents collections? Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #8

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
1. Am I a target because I receive enciphered Nigerian emails?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:59 PM
Jun 2013

They must be enciphered, they don't make any sense.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
2. That would be bad enough if that was ALL they "weren't" collecting
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:03 AM
Jun 2013

They're also "not" collecting the actual phone conversations and contents of emails.

Clapper can fuck himself. He's already admitted this is exactly what's going on (not that we didn't know it before), smarmy-assed word parsing or not.

Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
3. HEY! He almost told the truth!
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:19 AM
Jun 2013

He gave the "least untruthful" answer to the questions posed by Congress. You got to give him that.

magellan

(13,257 posts)
4. Do I have to?
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jun 2013

I'd rather not give him so much as the time of day. Unfortunately I keep finding I have to quote his ass to wake others up. (That's not directed at you.)

Metadata. Meh! If only that was all it was. I really hate these bastards for making me think twice before I call them bastards.

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