Did the original Constitutional framers

[bluedeathray]

Anticipate that secret courts would be convened to "legalize" policies and actions by our government that contradict the Constitution?

Weren't the original members of the government trying to avoid a "ruling class" of leadership?

[Amonester]

1. Looks like they failed.

At least they tried.

Who's next to try again?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. They didn't fail.

We are failing to hold people accountable. They gave us the written blessing to deal with these marauders.

[orpupilofnature57]

2. Thomas Jefferson warned us in 1814 about the " Monied Interests " ...

that would try to infiltrate the government .

[In_The_Wind]

3. Hello ~ bluedeathray

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[orpupilofnature57]

4. That's Cooooool !!!

[In_The_Wind]

6. I like welcoming newbies.

[madokie]

5. The question should be

Did the framers foresee the type of weapons we have today
Did the framers foresee the type of hatred toward us that we have today that manifest itself in terrorist acts such as 911, the USS Cole, the Barracks in Beirut and the list can go on for a while
Did the framers foresee a republicon party that were hell bent on stopping the first black President by hook or by crook.

No the framers didn't foresee all this and furthermore it was impossible for them too have.

[Amonester]

8. They didn't foresee electricity, the telegraph, then telephones...

then windose, bookface, applejacks, gooooooo-guhl, tweeters, and stupid jackasses.

That's for sure.

[madokie]

9. No doubt

[Amonester]

10. They also didn't foresee a class of 1% plutocrats owning more than...

40% of the country's wealth who purchase politicians to exempt them from paying taxes, so they can stash up trillions in offshore tax havens.

[madokie]

11. No doubt about that too

I think they done a hell of a good job in giving us the safeguards they did.
Until we get something done about money in politics we're fucked and I mean that literally. Citizen united should be the impedance for us citizens to go to the streets and demand the changes that we so desperately have to have. We've got to get our press out of corporate hands too. Again if we don't we'll continue to be fucked.

[geek tragedy]

14. Like hell they didn't. They were the 1%. nt

[Spider Jerusalem]

7. "Secret courts" were one of the causes of the English Civil War.

There was a court known as Star Chamber that was a private court of the monarch, not subject to the constraints of due process, used to oppress religious dissenters (who were subjected to corporal punishment, being flogged, pilloried, having their ears and noses cut off, being branded, etc).

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/563475/Court-of-Star-Chamber

[DavidDvorkin]

16. Yes, and the American revolutionaries were very knowledgeable about the English Civil War

They referred to it often and quoted the arguments leading up to it as part of the justification for their own war against the crown. So they didn't have to anticipate such courts; they knew of their use in the previous century.

[geek tragedy]

13. They didn't anticipate computers, or telecommunications, or metadata,

or the Internet, etc etc etc.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. Maybe. But, then, somebody leaked the 4th Amendment to the people and all hell broke loose.