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Howard Dean "doesn't have a problem" with NSA security program... (Original Post) brooklynite Jun 2013 OP
I rarely disagree with Governor Dean... kentuck Jun 2013 #1
Senators Sanders and Leahy do. cali Jun 2013 #2
oh oh, all of Howard's fans will be abandoning him I guess (sarcasm). graham4anything Jun 2013 #3
I'm willing to bet my paycheck that they won't. Even though Dean's 50-state strategy Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #5
This is largely my stance. I understand the need for secrecy. Just give the people a glimpse. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #4
The president has already explained the program to the American people. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #6
I've heard what the President has to say. I'd personally like to hear a little more about these BenzoDia Jun 2013 #11
A reasonable viewpoint. randome Jun 2013 #7
Nobody's perfect. But, he's right - the public needs to know a lot more than we've leveymg Jun 2013 #8
Constructive...more transparency is how this controversy serves a purpose BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #9
So is Howard now under the bus with Al Franken, Feinstein and.. DCBob Jun 2013 #10
how is disagreeing with Dean on this, throwing him under the bus? cali Jun 2013 #12
Gosh I sure feel thrown under the bus for having a similar opinion as Howard's. DCBob Jun 2013 #14
I don't think you know what "thrown under the bus means". n/t Dawgs Jun 2013 #16
Perhaps but I know its worse than being thrown under a taxi. DCBob Jun 2013 #18
No, it's just you there. morningfog Jun 2013 #13
I agree with Howard. DCBob Jun 2013 #17
my Senators Wyden and Merkley disagree neverforget Jun 2013 #15
My Senators, Chambliss and Isackson, agree with Dr. Dean. Laelth Jun 2013 #19
Howard Dean holds no elective office, has never been a member of Congress and knows Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #20
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
2. Senators Sanders and Leahy do.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:18 AM
Jun 2013

so does Vermont's sole Representative, Peter Welch and many other Dem and VT Progressive Party pols.

He's in a minority here in Vermont.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
3. oh oh, all of Howard's fans will be abandoning him I guess (sarcasm).
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:19 AM
Jun 2013

makes me wonder what will happen when the senior senator from Mass says the same thing


btw, the public does know about it.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
5. I'm willing to bet my paycheck that they won't. Even though Dean's 50-state strategy
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:22 AM
Jun 2013

gave us Blue Dog and corporatists Democrats, the "LEFT" has never bashed him about that. For some reason, they give Dean a pass on his mistakes or when he says or does things that they wouldn't ordinarily agree with.

When Dean was governor, he wasn't the liberal stalwart that the "LEFT" thinks he is. He was a corporatist Democrat, very pro-business.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
6. The president has already explained the program to the American people.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:23 AM
Jun 2013

The problem is that the Corporate Media and yard burners on BOTH the left and the right can't shut up long enough to listen.

BenzoDia

(1,010 posts)
11. I've heard what the President has to say. I'd personally like to hear a little more about these
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 09:05 AM
Jun 2013

Fisa courts approvals, some ball park metrics on how effective the program is, and at least several real examples of how it has helped us. Some older cases would be fine if they don't want to compromise on-going investigations.

I'd rather not have to wait till 2038 for the declassified info.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. A reasonable viewpoint.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:24 AM
Jun 2013

Don't see enough of those these days.

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leveymg

(36,418 posts)
8. Nobody's perfect. But, he's right - the public needs to know a lot more than we've
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:31 AM
Jun 2013

been told. The fact that this is truly universal collection of all phone calls (and likely email) was not revealed until now.

BeyondGeography

(39,276 posts)
9. Constructive...more transparency is how this controversy serves a purpose
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:39 AM
Jun 2013

The program itself is not going away anytime soon.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
10. So is Howard now under the bus with Al Franken, Feinstein and..
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:49 AM
Jun 2013

the rest of us who think all the outrage is non-sense?

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
12. how is disagreeing with Dean on this, throwing him under the bus?
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 09:08 AM
Jun 2013

and the ACLU doesn't think it's nonsense. Senator Leahy doesn't. Senator Sanders doesn't, but YOU are clearly tossing those who disagree with you under the bus with your contempt.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
14. Gosh I sure feel thrown under the bus for having a similar opinion as Howard's.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 09:16 AM
Jun 2013

Some DUers have told me to get the "F" out of here for having this opinion. That's pretty far under the bus, I would think.

Perhaps your are more reasonable.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
19. My Senators, Chambliss and Isackson, agree with Dr. Dean.
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 09:56 AM
Jun 2013

Hmm ... given what I know of my Senators, I suspect Dr. Dean is on the wrong side of this issue.

-Laelth

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. Howard Dean holds no elective office, has never been a member of Congress and knows
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 01:23 PM
Jun 2013

no more about this program than he hears on the news, maybe some gossip or chat, but he's not briefed on anything. Never has been.
I have two Senators who are Democrats for whom I voted and worked to elect. Wyden and Merkley are doing fine, and they are actual elected officials. They do not agree with Howard, they are far more informed than he could legally be, and let's repeat that they are Democrats. Not Blue Baggers or Tea Dogs or whatever nonsense they go by. Democrats.

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