In a major speech a week or two ago, President Obama said that all wars must come to an end...

[kentuck]

If that is the case, then must not all the infrastructure created for the war effort, including the spy network, also come to an end?

If we withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan, then we are marking a major point in the "war on terror". Osama bin Laden has been killed and it is difficult to find a terrorist to kill anymore. Are we not admitting that most of the terrorist networks have been defeated?

Yes, there may be some nut with a shoe bomb or a couple of crazy Russians with a pressure cooker but that is not a war. Those are incidents.

We should dismantle the war machine, including the spy machine, that was created to fight this questionable war. The people have been played for fools. And some want to keep the gravy train rolling.

[Recursion]

1. Not to pimp out my own OP on this, but...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022986695

Is it that crazy to suggest the past couple of weeks are a shot across Obama's bow in return to that speech?

[kentuck]

2. If he was serious about that speech...

Maybe he is not real crazy about keeping the TIA program going? But he has to keep up a certain facade for political and personal reasons. We may not know what he truly thinks about this case?

[Recursion]

3. Programs like this also don't stop on a dime

It takes a while to change bureaucracy.

[kentuck]

5. Very true.

But first, we have to understand that the war has ended.

[Recursion]

6. And if I'm not crazy and in fact some of the past two weeks is the pushback just from saying it is

then we're in for a bumpy ride ahead...

[Javaman]

4. WWII gave rise to the military industrial complex

these "wars" have given rise to the "Information Industrial Complex".

in other words, it's big money and will never ever go away.