Salvation Army says “Gays Need to Be Put to Death”

[DainBramaged]

Christmas, it is the time of the year for holiday shopping, and also hearing the bell ringers for the Salvation Army collection donations. Those donations provide Christmas dinners, clothing, and Christmas toys for children in need. The charity collects millions of dollars in donations every year, and they distribute it to needy families, seniors, and the homeless in keeping with the spirit of the holiday season.

The Salvation Army has expressed their Christian beliefs in the past, stating that they do not accept the LGBTQ lifestyle, nor do they stand up for gay marriage. Salvation Army went on record recently, stating that LGBTQ parents should be put to death as the bible instructs. Major Andrew Craibe, a Salvation Army Media Relations Director, went on public radio hosted by journalist Serena Ryan, to discuss a recent call by LGBTQ parents for a boycott of the nonprofit for its anti-gay policies and beliefs.

Ryan questioned Craibe about Salvation Story: Salvationist Handbook of Doctrine, the manual used to train Salvation Army “soldiers” and members. Several chapters refer to the sin of homosexuality, including a section that cites Romans 1:18-32, which includes a admonition that homosexuals “deserved to die”;

Ryan: According to the Salvation Army gay parents deserve death. How do you respond to that, as part of your doctrine?”

“Craibe: Well, that’s a part of our belief system.”

Ryan: So they should die.”

“Craibe: You know, we have an alignment to the Scriptures, but that’s our belief.”


http://tgvnews.com/2013/06/salvation-army-says-gays-need-to-be-put-to-death/


If this has been posted my apologies I will delete it if necessary.

[cali]

1. I haven't seen it. Horrifying.

[silverweb]

2. I used to work with someone in the SA.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]She told me that the Salvation Army's sole purpose is "to bring souls to Jesus, and everything else is an afterthought."

So none of the "charity" they perform is being done out of any love for fellow human beings or even because Jesus commanded it. It's being done purely to get close enough to proselytize a captive audience.

I kind of think Jesus would not approve. I can't remember any instance in which he demanded allegiance before bread.

[aquart]

49. They never said one word of religion to me.

Just handed me coffee and bagel during a blackout. I still remember them filling a truck with water to take down to Ground Zero. Water, not Bibles.

I've gotten fantastic clothes and housewares from their thrift store in Chelsea.

Many of you believe things I find appalling and vice versa. What matters to me is what you DO.

When there was need, the Salvation Army in New York was ALWAYS there and never did they bother with religion or sexual orientation. Just need.

They have buildings on 14th Street, the dividing line between West Village/Chelsea. I suspect they know there are homosexuals nearby.

[silverweb]

55. Perhaps different place and time is the reason.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]To say nothing of different people. During the post-911 scene you describe, they were probably just too busy to preach. It might have been different in the actual shelters and soup kitchens during more normal times.

All I know in this instance is what an actual member told me was the case when she was a fairly high-ranking officer in a California chapter or regiment or whatever they call local organizations. That's not me just "believing" something with no basis, it's first-hand testimony from a member.

Any group that does charitable work gets credit for those good deeds, but motivation and discrimination do count. For the SA to say that a certain group of people they disapprove of should be denied equal opportunity and should die is not something I can support. Even bigots do some charitable work, but I'll choose other organizations to donate to.

[aquart]

56. The place was Dire Straits. The time Whenever Needed.

I'd have to be stupid to wish harm to honest and fair help.Whatever they thought, they helped with no discrimination of any kind.

[silverweb]

59. I'm glad you got help when you needed it.

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]It's also wonderful that people can donate to whichever charities we think are most deserving.

[hrmjustin]

3. I never give money to the SA due to their bigoted views.

I always spread the word to my friends.

As a kid I always looked forward to hearing the lady who rang out the bell in front of the shopping centers near my house during Christmas time. I would love to put a buck in the plate. I also used to go to SA day camp during the summers as well. I used to have a high opinion of them until I learned of their bigoted anti-LGBT opinions.

I will never give money to them and if they ask I tell them why!

[Ernesto]

8. me too..........

BTW.... They are anti UNION!

[hrmjustin]

9. Another reason to not like them. I did not know they are anti-union.

[Eleanors38]

33. During the 30s they were known as the "Starvation Army" for their anti-union stance.

[Mnemosyne]

44. Still known as the starvation army where I came from, NW Pa. I won't give them a cent, bigots. nt

[arikara]

58. They are totally anti worker

A few years back, they fired all the health care workers in their local rest homes and hired new people at substantially lower wages. It was mainly middle aged women that they let go so it had the additional benefit of getting rid of them before they retired and they had to pay a pension. I detest the sally.

[KamaAina]

21. Once the kettles come out (so to speak) this fall, fill 'em with these

[hrmjustin]

23. That is a great idea my friend!

[JustAnotherGen]

36. This is awesome!

[DinahMoeHum]

38. Kewl! Will do!

[busterbrown]

43. They do a wonderful job with addicts and Alcoholics who are hopeless..

They work them and send them to 12 Step Programs...I have seen many of them rise from the ashes.
But after reading this... Fuck them!!

I wouldn’t be surprised if there won’t be a complete about face on this matter!!
Really that Director of Media guy probably is as old as my one of my fathers’s farts and hopefully will be asked to work at the loading docks.!

[gordianot]

4. I take it they will follow other Biblical codes of conduct such as in Deuteronomy.

Will they be willing to bring back public stoning?

[Wednesdays]

6. Shh...don't give them any ideas.

[gordianot]

11. They could take a page out of the law in places such as Iran.

Sharia Law might also work for them.

[Mnemosyne]

45. I've been stoned in public. Oh wait... nt

[hack89]

5. I thought Australia was more accepting of gays. nt

[cascadiance]

7. OK, that seals it for me the final nail in their coffin!

I already have been boycotting them for personal reasons.

Many years back, I had some old furniture to donate to them and left it out in my driveway for them to pick up. They turned it down, and I had to put it in my garage for the night and call Goodwill to take it instead later. While I kept the furniture in the garage, I parked my car outside in the driveway for a few days and while I did that my car got stolen from my driveway then. Goodwill of course took my furniture next day with no problems, and have gotten my business ever since.

So too many reasons now for me to ever go back to them again now. Thanks for helping me seal the deal now.

[dgibby]

10. Wonder if their uniforms are cotton/polyester blend.

if so, they're in deep do do according to the bible.

[Demoiselle]

18. REALLY nice!!!!!

[dgibby]

31. Can't stand people/organizations

that think the Bible is an ala carte menu. Hypocrites!

[amuse bouche]

12. The name alone is a clue to their creepy agenda

[Lunacee_2013]

13. Jesus...

Well I guess I have one more organization to add to my boycott list.

[DCKit]

14. With all the different lists of who to hate and how to hate them...

is there anything left of the original Bible in the books these fundamentalists read in church anymore? A line or two about Jesus, perhaps?

[Mnemosyne]

46. Jesus was just a loser, according to my one 'born again' sister. nt

[DCKit]

53. Mine's as cukoo, and tell her she's a Jew. But only if they don't own guns.

You can only accept that Old Testament shit if you reject Jesus.

Mine do, so I don't argue, I just stay away from them.

[Mnemosyne]

60. We became partly estranged many years ago, but during war criminal George W. Bush's selections,

I could no longer bear to hear how well-informed they were by Faux snooze and I only had the internet and library for research. I was called an anti-christ too often. Do they even hear what they say?!

There were other serious issues too, but that drove the final nail.

I do not miss them.

[AnnieK401]

15. My sister is a lesbian who used to work for the Salvation Army.

At the time she was a single mother raising 2 girls and was highly dependent on the small salary she got from them. She interviewed people who were looking for help and was good at her job. A man who worked there became interested in her and they even went out on a few dates (even though she prefers women.) She and the man stopped seeing each other and not long after she was mysteriously fired (she said "laid off" but lets be honest). I have always believed it was because they found out that she was a lesbian.

[Demoiselle]

16. "We have an alignment to the scriptures." !!!??? HUH?

ANY crackpot and/or bigoted idea can find said "alignment." As can any sane, sensible and humane idea. GOOD GRIEF!!!

I am TIRED of this!!!!!

(I'll go make myself a drink now and try to calm down.)

[indepat]

17. I hope the Salvation Army has assiduously scoured the entire bible for each and

every scripture that must necessarily comprise their entire belief system and to hell with them and any other scripture-spouter should even a single scripture not to their liking not be included.

[William769]

19. I used to be a huge contributor to the Salvation Army with money time and a lot of energy.

These days I 'm helping to bring them down until they have nothing. You come after me and my family, don't expect anything less.

[quakerboy]

37. You still are

Via tax dollars.

[SCVDem]

20. Are their uniforms made of two different type of threads?

Deuteronomy 22:11

You shall not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together.

Do we really want to go there?

[geek tragedy]

22. Holy crap, I had no idea they were this bad. Thanks for posting.

Will certainly feel better about walking past their annoying bell ringers.

[reflection]

29. I didn't either. I've donated to them before.

[name not needed]

24. Donate to Americares instead.

Only 1% of money collected goes towards administrative costs, leaving the rest to cover international medical assistance and disaster aid, as well as healthcare for the uninsured here in the US.

http://www.americares.org/

[struggle4progress]

25. It's some dude in Australia who's been getting media attention for a year or more by saying this

[Stuart G]

26. Important..this story is from July 2012...it is not a new story.

http://www.examiner.com/article/lgbt-parenting-a-death-sentence-with-salvation-army

I do not know if that matters..It is almost a year old, and it is from Australia..
It seemed familiar, but let others decide that. I do not know of its validity today, given a year old. It is now making the rounds of the internet again....just for your info.......Stuart G.

[Politicalboi]

27. We need to boycott stores that allow

Them to have the SA at their doors come this X-Mas. Let the businesses take some responsibility for this.

[intaglio]

28. As far as I can see, they are condemned by their own doctrine

and this despite the good works of their foot soldiers - which is a lot of good work.

From the "Salvationist" web site

We believe that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God, and that they only constitute the Divine rule of Christian faith and practice.

No wiggle room there Old and New Testaments with all the conflicts and contradictions and all of the condemnations of practices the compilers of that book found distasteful.

We believe that there is only one God, who is infinitely perfect, the Creator, Preserver, and Governor of all things, and who is the only proper object of religious worship.

Fair enough, personally I find this description of tyranny quite disturbing, not to say contradicted by the next 2 elements of this profession of faith.

We believe that there are three persons in the Godhead-the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, undivided in essence and co-equal in power and glory.

And the White Queen believed three impossible things before breakfast

We believe that in the person of Jesus Christ the Divine and human natures are united, so that He is truly and properly God and truly and properly man.

Only 2 impossible things here.

We believe that our first parents were created in a state of innocency, but by their disobedience they lost their purity and happiness, and that in consequence of their fall all men have become sinners, totally depraved, and as such are justly exposed to the wrath of God.

OK, so by this argument what my ancestors did has condemned me unless I have the luck to have been introduced to Christianity - which is hard luck on all those non-Europeans throughout the ages who never heard of Jesus (not his real name).

We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has by His suffering and death made an atonement for the whole world so that whosoever will may be saved.

Except those who never heard of him and who have never heard of the Bible.

We believe that repentance towards God, faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, and regeneration by the Holy Spirit, are necessary to salvation.

and if you have never heard of Him let alone this doctrine, what happens then?

We believe that we are justified by grace through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and that he that believeth hath the witness in himself.

This seems to be a "Get out of Jail (Hell) Free" card apart from all the other nonsense.

We believe that continuance in a state of salvation depends upon continued obedient faith in Christ.

and if you have never had the chance to find the rules of this game, what then?

We believe that it is the privilege of all believers to be wholly sanctified, and that their whole spirit and soul and body may be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Is it only the Salvationists particular breed of faith that sanctifies you? Oh, and this "preservation of the body" lark seems a completely unrelated to reality - what happens to those who are cremated?

We believe in the immortality of the soul; in the resurrection of the body; in the general judgment at the end of the world; in the eternal happiness of the righteous; and in the endless punishment of the wicked.

Well the immortality of the soul is nice, but what is a soul? The resurrection of the body is not a good idea considering how ill designed our bodies are and what about the naughty bits and the dirty bits, are they reformed as well? also there is this bit about the wicked for, as far as I can see the wicked are those who do not follow this doctrine.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

30. That's not even what this verse is about, strictly speaking...

It's a reference to converts in Rome who reverted back to their polytheistic roots -- and all those kick-ass Roman orgies that came along with it. Unnatural sexual desires (which covers a lot of ground up to and including the old Zeta-Jones) were only part of the object of God's fury.

Funny how these SA people ignored the laundry list of sins that the Apostle Paul enumerates ("unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant-breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful&quot and focused on homosexuality.

[ErikJ]

32. Goldwater

[JustAnotherGen]

34. Thank you for posting

I've not dropped money in the pot for at least three years. I also understand they turn away members of the GLBT community when they are in need.

Psst - shameless plug for Unitarians. GLBT? Come to us when you are down and out. We have big hugs, potluck suppers and kindness for all human beings.

[NYC Liberal]

35. The original story was posted last November

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876052

But I think this interview is new and re-affirms it.

I will never donate to the SA (never have).

[Ratty]

39. Cowards

I've heard this kind of response many times. Once, here in the Bay Area, Ross McGowan was interviewing a local homophobic preacher and asked him whether he agreed that gays should be put to death and the preacher kept replying "That's what the Bible says." The interviewer gave him several chances to explain or qualify but that's the only answer he gave.

"We have an alignment with the scriptures:" They are all cowards because they're too terrified to put what the Bible says into exact words. They won't even answer yes or no to the question of whether they agree gays should be put to death. It's always some weasely phrase about how they believe the Bible is literal and always true.

[AsahinaKimi]

40. Sounds like the Taliban

or worse...

[obama2terms]

41. I quit giving anything to the salvation army

After they wouldn't give toys to a little Mexican girl here on Christmas in my city because they assumed she and her family are here illegally. I'd rather help out in a soup kitchen then deal with these jerks.

[one_voice]

42. Fuck the Salvation Army...

I used to give a shit load of money to them, but haven't for a while now. I made sure to tell my family and friends too.

I make sure I tell them when I pass them that I don't support bigots. FUCK 'EM!

[allan01]

47. re: Salvation Army says “Gays Need to Be Put to Death”

i will no longer give to ANY "christian " ngo, social wealfare group who wont support christs great commission " love thy neighbor as thy self" . period.

[chervilant]

48. They'll never get another penny from me.

And, i used to give every time I saw the volunteers.

[idwiyo]

50. Fuck them. It's not news to me, never gave them a penny.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

51. I'm surprised because some of the clothes they sell are simply fabulous!

[LibGranny]

52. NO MORE donations of any kind from me - they can ring those bells till the end of time and

I won't give them a dime. I used to donate my out-of-season (style) clothes to them but that's over also!

[Chipper Chat]

54. The Salvation Army needs to merge with the Westboro Baptist Church.

Shirley & gang could ring bells at their protests and pick up some loose change!

[roamer65]

57. No more money for them.