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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 07:54 AM Jun 2013

No, Edward Snowden probably didn’t commit treason

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/12/no-edward-snowden-probably-didnt-commit-treason/


Jefferson Davis stole a bunch of states and waged war on the other ones for four years, and even he wasn’t convicted of treason! (U.S. Senate Historical Office)


''I don’t look at this as being a whistleblower. I think it’s an act of treason.” — Senate Intelligence Committee chair Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.).

“An act of treason.” — Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.).

“He’s a traitor.” – House Speaker John Boehner (R-Oh.).

As Scott Bomboy of the National Constitution Center — a nonpartisan organization and museum in Philadelphia — notes, Article Three, Section Three of the Constitution defines treason as follows:

“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.”

Carlton Larson, a law professor at UC-Davis, explains that this sets up two avenues for treason prosecutions. One is the “aid and comfort” path, wherein somebody aiding a country waging war on the U.S. can be charged, and the other is the “levying war” path, wherein one is charged for actively waging war against the United States, or an individual state.

For example, John Brown, the abolitionist revolutionary who staged the raid on Harpers Ferry, was convicted of treason against the state of Virginia, not against the United States. Aaron Burr, Thomas Jefferson’s first vice president, was later prosecuted by the Jefferson administration for treason for allegedly assembling forces to create an independent country in the center of North America, encompassing some Western states as well as Mexican territory. Both of those were “levying war” prosecutions.
It seems obvious that Snowden’s actions don’t qualify as levying war against the U.S. “All the levying war cases require an assemblage of men and force,” Larson explains. “I’ve never heard of a levying war prosecution that was just about releasing some documents.”
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No, Edward Snowden probably didn’t commit treason (Original Post) xchrom Jun 2013 OP
Have to agree based on grounds of the legal definition. geckosfeet Jun 2013 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #2
Is outing a problem betrayal? nt snappyturtle Jun 2013 #5
He committed 'idiocy'. That's worse, IMO. randome Jun 2013 #3
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #6
You're "allowed" to attack whatever you like. sibelian Jun 2013 #13
Yes, some would much rather live in the comfortable darkness of strict authoritarian rule. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #14
the ones violating the 4th amendment Marblehead Jun 2013 #4
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #7
respond with non sequiturs cali Jun 2013 #8
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #9
Good morning, X! Demeter Jun 2013 #10
morning, miss demeter! xchrom Jun 2013 #11
I'd call the NSA traitors. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #12
Persecution of whistle-blowers is a trait of authoritarians. No one gets to look behind the curtain rhett o rick Jun 2013 #15
He probably didn't ProSense Jun 2013 #16

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
1. Have to agree based on grounds of the legal definition.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 08:09 AM
Jun 2013

But this guy will have a rough road to travel going forward. Someone in the bowels of some security agency will cook up some charges to have him extradited on. They will chase him around forever unless perhaps a congressional or presidential pardon comes along. (Not holding breath)

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randome

(34,845 posts)
3. He committed 'idiocy'. That's worse, IMO.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 08:17 AM
Jun 2013

Making allegations without evidence then hiding out in Hong Kong.

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rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
14. Yes, some would much rather live in the comfortable darkness of strict authoritarian rule.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 10:38 AM
Jun 2013

Clapper is a Bush Republican.

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Demeter

(85,373 posts)
10. Good morning, X!
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 08:57 AM
Jun 2013

Caught yourself some mighty big flies, there!

Snowden (if anything) revealed the treason of those who abuse the power that the People gave them, and the treason of those they hired to do the dirty work. This fish started rotting from the head.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
12. I'd call the NSA traitors.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 09:18 AM
Jun 2013

They betrayed our country's core values, as enshrined in the Bill of Rights, especially the 4th Amendment.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
15. Persecution of whistle-blowers is a trait of authoritarians. No one gets to look behind the curtain
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 10:41 AM
Jun 2013

in an authoritarian state. Democracy demands transparency.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
16. He probably didn't
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 10:43 AM
Jun 2013

"No, Edward Snowden probably didn’t commit treason"

..."commit treason," but this isn't going to help is case.

(Snowden)...Showed Hong Kong Newspaper Documents Revealing US Hacking Attacks On China (updated 2x)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023001669

The OP piece was written before that revelation.

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