When will those 12 terrorist incidents be made public?

[kentuck]

That NSA Chief, Keith Alexander said, in testimony, had been stopped by their PRISM program?

After all, they need to show something for all the money they have spent, I would think?

But don't hold your breath. It may still be classified and not open for public viewing? You will just have to take his word for it.

What we will probably get is something along the line that a deputy sheriff pulled over a car in some podunk town and when he ran a search on the car and driver, they found it in the database kept by the NSA. If there were a dozen incidents, I don't recall them being in the press or on TV? Perhaps I just missed them?

I am curious to see what they have done with the fortune that taxpayers have given them?

[hobbit709]

1. It was probably one of those FBI sting ops.

[kentuck]

3. Oh yeah!

When they bought all the supplies for the terrorists, then charged them with terrorism.

[hobbit709]

8. Or the ones that couldn't have found the Sears Tower with a map and GPS.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. Ohhh...about the same time as Bush, Cheney, and CIA assassins and torturers are brought to trial.

[cherokeeprogressive]

4. As soon as the government can create documents to support the claim.

Then they'll redact everything but the words "the" and "and".

Intelligence work is hard...

[JoePhilly]

5. They've already described two of them, and here on DU immediately after, those were called lies.

The folks who are freaking out are going to stay freaked out.

[kentuck]

7. Do you trust the NSA, Joe Philly?

Why?

[JoePhilly]

11. Thanks for proving my point.

You just said you wanted to see details on the 12. Clearly, you don't. You have already decided. The NSA is lying.

FYI ... here is an article on one of the plots that was prevented.

When this came up on DU the other day ... the response ... LIE!!!

http://www.newsday.com/news/nation/nyc-subway-bomb-plot-stopped-by-nsa-secret-phone-program-official-says-1.5436071

Bottom line: Why ask for details when you aren't really interested in them?

[Hydra]

20. Not our fault people in Congress already said the domestic spy program added nothing to the event

We and Congress are still waiting breathlessly for the super terrorist plot(s) that could only have been foiled by spying on everyone here 24/7.

Given how vague and emotional the appeals from these people have been, we're all a little skeptical of this overfunded and highly illegal spy system is working. After all, they blew $1 Billion just on Trailblazer.

Could you imagine how many people could have been fed with just that??

[hay rick]

22. Hook, line, and sinker.

According to the article, the "senior U. S. intelligence official" claimed that the programs helped "disrupt" a plot to bomb NYC subways.

The article concludes:

Because the NSA and British intelligence work so closely together and so little is known about how the NSA monitors email traffic, it's possible that both agencies were monitoring the Yahoo address at the time Zazi sent the critical email in 2009.

What's unclear, though, is how the phone program aided the investigation, which utilized court-authorized wiretaps of Zazi and his friends.

Based on what's known about the phone-records program, the NSA might have had an archive of all the phone calls Zazi had made, which might have helped authorities look for possible co-conspirators.

Because the phone program remains classified, however, it's impossible to say with certainty how the program benefited the investigation.

Um, QED?

[Bluenorthwest]

10. Can you support either assertion?

They claimed the subway bomber, but at the time they said they got the information from Scotland Yard. I believe them the first time.

[JoePhilly]

14. Do you think that the NSA data is all they ever use?

The NSA data is used to, among other things, create leads.

Why is it hard to believe that, while following such leads, they worked with Scottland yard as part of the investigation?

Both the NSA data, and collaboration with Scottland yard, could easily occur together.

Those mechanisms are not mutually exclusive. Nor is their a requirement to name all methods leveraged in any specific investigation.

But my broader point is that even if the government provides details on these 12 events. It won't be enough for many, including the OP, who asked for the details but who is clearly not interested in them given their response to me above.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. I have two points. One is that you said they'd named two cases, this is the only

one I've seen and I'd like to see the other one. My second point is that if they did not just get a tip from Scotland Yard as they said at the time, they would have benefited from perhaps mentioning, even vaguely, that we are taking steps and precautions that assisted in nailing this guy. This is the time to say 'we are doing shit, it works, one day history will allow us to tell the whole story and credit those who deserve such credit' or some such thing.
If they had been making better choices communications wise, they'd not be in this hard of a spot, that's what I think.
I would be interested in the second example.

[creon]

6. why should they be?

I see no reason why they should be made public.

[sibelian]

9. To verify that they existed at all?

Ever?

[Nimajneb Nilknarf]

12. Have you forgotten this?

[Bluenorthwest]

13. If they want them secret, that means not using them as 'examples in a poke'

Secret means secret. It does not mean you get to mention that there are secret reasons to help yourself politically. That is not keeping a secret secret. That's pointing it out as a secret, the fist step to wide spread knowledge that there is a secret, then of what that secret is. Self indulgent to attempt to both hide and announce the same information.

[progressoid]

16. Shhh...those were double secret incidents...

[Autumn]

17. Classified !!!! Can't give the info out or the terrorists will win!!! Trust us!!!

It's bullshit. Bet your ass they won't give the details.

[kentuck]

18. I think you have it.

It's bullshit! And the defenders are full of it, also.

[Hydra]

19. As soon as the Ministry of Truth can get the plotlines written out

Winston! Get to work!

[ck4829]

21. Didn't they say the same thing about waterboarding, but then said it was all 'classified'?

[liberaltrucker]

23. Probably the day after Hell freezes over. nt

[bvar22]

24. The Bush White House did that all the time.

Change we we can.....oh whatever.

[Art_from_Ark]

25. I think it was actually supposed to be *multiples* of 12

"Dozens", with an "s", I believe they claimed.