A thief is always a liar.

[Savannahmann]

When I was a boy, something was stolen from school. The teacher asked the class who had taken it, and nobody fessed up. The teacher said "A thief is always a liar".

So the NSA asserts that they haven't been spying on the American People, and we believe them because hey, they're the good guys. Clapper is caught in a lie, and we admire him, because he told the least untruthful lie he could under the circumstances.

So now, I've watched the meme turn from the important Constitutional question of Civil Rights of the people, to how bad the duo of Greenwald and Snowden are. What constitutional question did they cause? If Hitler delivered information that said my Government was untrustworthy, I'd still think he was an evil bastard, but I'd also question my Government about what the hell they were doing.

Now, that Congress has spoken, a week later, and assured us that there is nothing to see here, but it took them a week to find out, and the people telling them that all is well, are the same people who admitted to lying to congress because they had to for National Security.

Harry Hopkins, confidant and close friend of FDR was mentioned many times as the one who got the conversations back on track. He would ask, what is the main question we must decide. He would focus the conversations back to the important parts.

Is Snowdon a Narcissist? Certainly, anyone in the intelligence business is automatically a narcissist. You can't help but have a self important view when you are told, and believe, that the future of your nation rides on your actions and how good you are. What kind of person would not be at least a little narcissistic in those circumstances?

By that same token, everyone telling us that there is nothing to worry about is also narcissistic. So one cancels the other out, and that leaves us with the important question, the point of the matter.

Is the Government spying on us? That my friends, is the whole point. So far, everyone who has reported on this mess has lied. Clapper lied, the NSA was lying to Congress, but now we can trust them, and they're telling the truth this time. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023014982
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/305409-house-intel-chiefs-snowden-lying

Asked how much additional information — including other Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act verdicts — Snowden has in his possession, Rogers said, "No one really knows the answer to that today. I think we will know the answer to that shortly."

But Yesterday, the question was the Thumb drive, and supposedly the NSA knew exactly what Snowdon took. So was that a lie, or is this? Chasing the lies gets us nowhere. The question, the one overriding question, the main point of all of this is the same. Is the Government spying on us. The answer you are forced to concede is that they are in fact spying on us.

Now, I much prefer President Obama to the alternative. But if Clapper lied to Congress, and he admits he did. Then the question is raised, and a fair question IMO, has anyone lied to him? What we have is a bunch of people reporting to their superiors that the and everyone below them are doing things right. So one lie, gets passed up to the next level, emphasized, and then passed up again. But again, this is a subsidiary question to the one focus of the issue.

Is the Government spying on us? SO which liar do we choose to believe is the answer we're stuck with.