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"That fucking weasel Snowden is lying (Original Post) whatchamacallit Jun 2013 OP
Tying themselves in knots trying to explain that LittleBlue Jun 2013 #1
Untrue. It has taken China by storm. Do a search flamingdem Jun 2013 #3
yeah it would seem he is quite popular in the ol' People's Republic. arely staircase Jun 2013 #11
Who are you talking about? one_voice Jun 2013 #13
the stuff he gave the Chinese was not 6 years old arely staircase Jun 2013 #57
he abandoned a ballerina Enrique Jun 2013 #2
The SOB has boxes in his garage! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #4
he gave secrets to the chinese arely staircase Jun 2013 #12
What "secrets"? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #48
the IP addresses of the specific computers the US was hacking in China and arely staircase Jun 2013 #49
Oooo, SCARY MNBrewer Jun 2013 #51
yeah, and i guess we now know which side snowden is on arely staircase Jun 2013 #52
Yeah, yeah... MNBrewer Jun 2013 #61
and unilaterally stop spying on the chinese? arely staircase Jun 2013 #62
A sober mother would grow up MNBrewer Jun 2013 #63
all countries act outraged whn they catch the other ones spying arely staircase Jun 2013 #65
lol allin99 Jun 2013 #50
By his job with a TOP SECRET Security Clerance VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #5
"How dare he inform me!" whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #8
He didn't "JUST" inform you did he? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #9
His resume, which they have never seen, is all lies and the CIA and NSA didn't notice. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #6
I find that funny too. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #15
Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Aerows Jun 2013 #20
You missed the point of my post DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #30
The CIA and NSA look about as competent Aerows Jun 2013 #32
Absolutely. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #35
Dont forget rastaone Jun 2013 #41
That pretty much tells you Aerows Jun 2013 #45
No wonder we have terrorist attempts that succeed Aerows Jun 2013 #23
Evidently they are too busy spying on us to actually find Rex Jun 2013 #24
Or the second grader around the corner. Aerows Jun 2013 #25
Seriously they do look like complete idiots! Rex Jun 2013 #26
The Snowden bashing is going into overdrive! LOL! reformist2 Jun 2013 #7
He "bashed" himself in the head with a Ball Peen VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #10
and that hammer arely staircase Jun 2013 #14
Exactly! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #16
I am not paid by anyone here or elsewhere, and I find the remark insulting. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #19
"I'm not here to hide from justice," Snowden said from his 'undisclosed location' in Hong Kong. randome Jun 2013 #21
If he did nothing wrong he should return to the US. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #22
He won't unless he's extradited. He screwed himself either way. randome Jun 2013 #34
LOL Hydra Jun 2013 #37
Unlike some on this board, I don't care if I'm right or wrong. randome Jun 2013 #47
It is always easy to retract that which was never more than a posture or affectation Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #66
Would you say that to someone who smokes marijuana? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #40
I would say give me some. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #42
But if he stayed in the US to do it, he'd be arrested as soon as they found him muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #43
I believe the information he released. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #46
You bought it hook, line, and sinker mick063 Jun 2013 #56
I understand your anger at the government and the government should be made to answer. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #58
No one needs to be paid to bash someone who has announced pnwmom Jun 2013 #27
Well, it's not really accurate CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #17
Yeah, you left out "so he must be prosecuted for exposing the lies we already knew" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #18
just prosecuting him for telling the Chinese how we hack their computers is fine with me arely staircase Jun 2013 #29
Are you serious? Lol! Catherina Jun 2013 #31
I'm serious that there are DUers who want him prosecuted muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #38
Can't see it I refuse to pay them any mind. If only Edward Snowden had left us in blissful ignorance Catherina Jun 2013 #44
K&R This is hilarious and deadly serious at the same time. woo me with science Jun 2013 #28
yes. you left out that the aclu... allin99 Jun 2013 #33
About many details regarding his "authorities" and about DevonRex Jun 2013 #36
he's DU's new sweet bebe jesus dionysus Jun 2013 #39
Seems to be. DevonRex Jun 2013 #53
Assange/Manning/Snowden 2016!1!111!1 dionysus Jun 2013 #54
And Greenwald for FCC Commissioner! randome Jun 2013 #55
*snort* DevonRex Jun 2013 #59
An even better one: The Three DevonRex Jun 2013 #60
rofl treestar Jun 2013 #64
 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
1. Tying themselves in knots trying to explain that
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:53 PM
Jun 2013

The super secret intel that Snowden revealed... which he leaked to the *dun dun duuuunnn* Chinese... which by the way was old news 6 years ago... uh...

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
3. Untrue. It has taken China by storm. Do a search
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:55 PM
Jun 2013

you'll see.

Try:

"handsome snowden"

This was not known to the Chinese before Snowden blabbed to save his hiney while - oh what a coincidence - Obama was meeting with xi to discuss hacking.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
49. the IP addresses of the specific computers the US was hacking in China and
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:28 PM
Jun 2013

whether they were still being hacked or not.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
61. Yeah, yeah...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 06:13 PM
Jun 2013

My mother, drunk or sober, and all that shit.

Some of us would prefer that mother sober up.

MNBrewer

(8,462 posts)
63. A sober mother would grow up
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 08:56 AM
Jun 2013

and stop being OUTRAGED!!!!1!! that other countries are doing exactly the same thing to us that we're doing to them.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
65. all countries act outraged whn they catch the other ones spying
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:10 AM
Jun 2013

that's part of it. everyone does it and everyone acts outraged. we are in no way unique in that reagard.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
5. By his job with a TOP SECRET Security Clerance
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:02 PM
Jun 2013

He broke the law...he is not allowed to deny or confirm anything....whether we "know" it or not. Period....he sign sworn oaths to that....he will be prosecuted.

And it also appears that he also lied about his credentials to obtain a job with the govt...that too is a punishable offense.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
9. He didn't "JUST" inform you did he?
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:08 PM
Jun 2013

He sold it to the Chinese as well...and he high tailed it instead of doing the actual brave thing and face the consequences...


but you keep right on defending him...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
20. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jun 2013

I mean, we found all of this out in 1 week, but the NSA couldn't find it out in the months that he worked as a contractor for them.

And we trust these people to find terrorists?

 

DesMoinesDem

(1,569 posts)
30. You missed the point of my post
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:53 PM
Jun 2013

These claims that he lied on his resume are BS. People are trying to debunk a resume that they have never seen. If their were lies on a resume that the media could find with one phone call, the CIA and NSA would have found them without question. It's just another bullshit conspiracy theory.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
32. The CIA and NSA look about as competent
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:56 PM
Jun 2013

as the Keystone Cops, with a massive budget that their level of incompetence doesn't justify. I didn't miss your point at all - I just expanded on the fact that apparently both are run by idiots that need a massive budget cut, a house cleaning and some real, honest to goodness oversight.

Do you agree?

 

rastaone

(57 posts)
41. Dont forget
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:15 PM
Jun 2013

These guys can monitor website visits but failed to monitor the 2 guys in Boston looking up "How to make pressure cooker bombs" from Al Qaeda website.

Also they have the power to shutdown child porn websites but cannot shut down Al Qaeda website. What the fucK?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
23. No wonder we have terrorist attempts that succeed
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:28 PM
Jun 2013

They can't even find out the resume of a person that works as a contractor for them, yet everybody in the world knows how many boxes are stored in his garage and what his neighbors thought of him in 2 days.

Boston bombing? Pfft. Can't find out about that even when warned 3 times by another country that the dude was dangerous. Guy working for a contractor that barely has a GED, reveals government secrets and skips off to China? We know absolutely everything including the fact that he didn't stop to pat a dog once.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. Evidently they are too busy spying on us to actually find
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:33 PM
Jun 2013

out that 'one of their own' had not only lied his ass off on his resume (no oversight?) but was also robbing them blind of data to give to the Chinese.

Right now I would not trust the NSA to hold onto my milk money, they would probably lose it to a guy in a business suit and a gleaming smile.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
25. Or the second grader around the corner.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:38 PM
Jun 2013

These guys look incompetent to manage a bake sale.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
26. Seriously they do look like complete idiots!
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:44 PM
Jun 2013

And the Director going before Congress and getting caught boldface lying doesn't extend their street cred by much either imo. What the HELL is the DHS doing in all this? Just another bloated bureaucratic ticket punch for the career grifter?

The whole thing stinks.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
7. The Snowden bashing is going into overdrive! LOL!
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:04 PM
Jun 2013

Obvious paid bashers are obvious, more obviouser than ever.
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
19. I am not paid by anyone here or elsewhere, and I find the remark insulting.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:22 PM
Jun 2013

People can debate this civilly and not insult someone for having an opinion. I don't like the idea that government is spying on it's citizens but I also don't trust this Snowden guy. He went to a foreign nation to reveal our secrets. He took an oath. Yes our leaders took an oath as well and they have to answer for this, but so does Snowden. I believe he is not trustworthy and would sell secrets to the Chinese.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
21. "I'm not here to hide from justice," Snowden said from his 'undisclosed location' in Hong Kong.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jun 2013

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randome

(34,845 posts)
34. He won't unless he's extradited. He screwed himself either way.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:02 PM
Jun 2013

Both he and Greenwald will be laughingstocks for a long time.

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Hydra

(14,459 posts)
37. LOL
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:09 PM
Jun 2013

Are you offering to be the laughingstock next week when the next part of Greenwald's articles come out?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
47. Unlike some on this board, I don't care if I'm right or wrong.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:25 PM
Jun 2013

I have no problem whatsoever with saying the words "I was wrong."

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muriel_volestrangler

(101,150 posts)
40. Would you say that to someone who smokes marijuana?
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:13 PM
Jun 2013

"If you think you've done nothing wrong, you should go to the police and tell them that there's nothing wrong with smoking dope, and you do it". Some people think that some laws are unjust.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
42. I would say give me some.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:17 PM
Jun 2013

Going to a foreign nation to release our secrets does not sit well with me. I don't trust him.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,150 posts)
43. But if he stayed in the US to do it, he'd be arrested as soon as they found him
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jun 2013

Are you saying you'd only trust a martyr for whistleblowing? Does he have to be arrested for his information to be believable?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
46. I believe the information he released.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jun 2013

He broke the law by doing it.He made a choice and he has to live with it.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
56. You bought it hook, line, and sinker
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:47 PM
Jun 2013

"Reveal our secrets"


This has meaning on so many levels.

When my taxes are used to "reveal our secrets" to corporate owners, I have little.sympathy for.those that pull the fire alarm when the Chinese are clued in as well. It is a matter of prioritization.


 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
58. I understand your anger at the government and the government should be made to answer.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:50 PM
Jun 2013

These are real issues that need to be addressed, but Snowden made a choice and has to live with it. My worry is he will give more secrets to the Chinese and that would be treason.

pnwmom

(108,925 posts)
27. No one needs to be paid to bash someone who has announced
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:49 PM
Jun 2013

that he has thousands of classified documents that he illegally downloaded to his thumb drive and took to China.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
17. Well, it's not really accurate
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jun 2013

He stole data. It sounds like he lied about his salary and some other things, but the crux of it is that he stole data from his employer and left the country with it.

And it appears that his current move is to hand that data selectively to the Chinese to avoid prison for stealing the data. Call that what you will. Data confidentiality has been a condition of my employment pretty much everywhere I've worked. He violated that confidentiality.

The program is legal. Congress voted for it.

Necessary to keep us safe? Debatable. But here that sentiment is largely being used as a way to denigrate people as mindless followers of the government (well, Obama) if they don't say with passion that this is an extreme violation of our constitutional rights.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,150 posts)
18. Yeah, you left out "so he must be prosecuted for exposing the lies we already knew"
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jun 2013

As we can see, a DUer has already posted in this thread to put forward that point in all seriousness.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
31. Are you serious? Lol!
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:54 PM
Jun 2013

It's at times like these I bless Skinner's name for the ignore feature.

I'm a firm believer of not wasting time with that drivel


Don't entertain this garbage.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
44. Can't see it I refuse to pay them any mind. If only Edward Snowden had left us in blissful ignorance
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:23 PM
Jun 2013
Glenn Greenwald ?@ggreenwald 3h

@irwinhandleman So everyone already knew what was disclosed and also Snowden is a traitor who destroyed our security? Why was it Top Secret?


Glenn Greenwald Glenn Greenwald ?@ggreenwald 3h

If only Edward Snowden had left us in blissful ignorance of what the NSA was doing, our democracy would be stronger & we'd be better off

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
28. K&R This is hilarious and deadly serious at the same time.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:50 PM
Jun 2013

There's an important broader story here about the growing propaganda state.

As the corporate plutocracy has taken over our government, they have also been creating a pervasive and relentless propaganda machine to replace the free press of a democratic society. From the purchased mainstream media to the incessant political astroturfing of the internet, the propaganda machine in this country has never been more manipulative, dishonest, non-transparent, relentless, and determinedly pervasive, systematically infiltrating even discussion boards like DU.

What is being done to this country is well beyond creepy and disturbing at this point. We have been overtaken by corporatists intent on corporate fascism, and we are *already* being stripped of major foundations of our free society, including our right to privacy, our right to free speech, our right to protest, and, increasingly, the free press that was our most important alarm for and protection against government abuse and tyranny.

allin99

(894 posts)
33. yes. you left out that the aclu...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:58 PM
Jun 2013

is in on the republican conspiracy and that's why they're suing the u.s. gov't over their call tracking.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
36. About many details regarding his "authorities" and about
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:08 PM
Jun 2013

what people can do with the programs. And about himself. And to his employers, his friends, his girlfriend. That's just off the top of my head.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
53. Seems to be.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jun 2013

I have no idea why they always choose creeps. How about an genuine nice guy for a change?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
55. And Greenwald for FCC Commissioner!
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:42 PM
Jun 2013

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