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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"That fucking weasel Snowden is lying
about the legal program we already knew about and accept as necessary to keep us safe!"
Did I leave anything out?
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LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)The super secret intel that Snowden revealed... which he leaked to the *dun dun duuuunnn* Chinese... which by the way was old news 6 years ago... uh...
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)you'll see.
Try:
"handsome snowden"
This was not known to the Chinese before Snowden blabbed to save his hiney while - oh what a coincidence - Obama was meeting with xi to discuss hacking.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)nt
one_voice
(20,043 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)nt
Enrique
(27,461 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)That was the line for me.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)that was it for me.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)whether they were still being hacked or not.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)And we complain that the Chinese hack us???
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)nt
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)My mother, drunk or sober, and all that shit.
Some of us would prefer that mother sober up.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)that would be the act of the drunk mother.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)and stop being OUTRAGED!!!!1!! that other countries are doing exactly the same thing to us that we're doing to them.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)that's part of it. everyone does it and everyone acts outraged. we are in no way unique in that reagard.
allin99
(894 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)He broke the law...he is not allowed to deny or confirm anything....whether we "know" it or not. Period....he sign sworn oaths to that....he will be prosecuted.
And it also appears that he also lied about his credentials to obtain a job with the govt...that too is a punishable offense.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)"Off with his head!"
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)He sold it to the Chinese as well...and he high tailed it instead of doing the actual brave thing and face the consequences...
but you keep right on defending him...
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I mean, we found all of this out in 1 week, but the NSA couldn't find it out in the months that he worked as a contractor for them.
And we trust these people to find terrorists?
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)These claims that he lied on his resume are BS. People are trying to debunk a resume that they have never seen. If their were lies on a resume that the media could find with one phone call, the CIA and NSA would have found them without question. It's just another bullshit conspiracy theory.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)as the Keystone Cops, with a massive budget that their level of incompetence doesn't justify. I didn't miss your point at all - I just expanded on the fact that apparently both are run by idiots that need a massive budget cut, a house cleaning and some real, honest to goodness oversight.
Do you agree?
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)These guys can monitor website visits but failed to monitor the 2 guys in Boston looking up "How to make pressure cooker bombs" from Al Qaeda website.
Also they have the power to shutdown child porn websites but cannot shut down Al Qaeda website. What the fucK?
Aerows
(39,961 posts)all you need to know right there.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)They can't even find out the resume of a person that works as a contractor for them, yet everybody in the world knows how many boxes are stored in his garage and what his neighbors thought of him in 2 days.
Boston bombing? Pfft. Can't find out about that even when warned 3 times by another country that the dude was dangerous. Guy working for a contractor that barely has a GED, reveals government secrets and skips off to China? We know absolutely everything including the fact that he didn't stop to pat a dog once.
Rex
(65,616 posts)out that 'one of their own' had not only lied his ass off on his resume (no oversight?) but was also robbing them blind of data to give to the Chinese.
Right now I would not trust the NSA to hold onto my milk money, they would probably lose it to a guy in a business suit and a gleaming smile.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)These guys look incompetent to manage a bake sale.
Rex
(65,616 posts)And the Director going before Congress and getting caught boldface lying doesn't extend their street cred by much either imo. What the HELL is the DHS doing in all this? Just another bloated bureaucratic ticket punch for the career grifter?
The whole thing stinks.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Obvious paid bashers are obvious, more obviouser than ever.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)He doesn't need anyone's help with that..
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)was Made in China
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)People can debate this civilly and not insult someone for having an opinion. I don't like the idea that government is spying on it's citizens but I also don't trust this Snowden guy. He went to a foreign nation to reveal our secrets. He took an oath. Yes our leaders took an oath as well and they have to answer for this, but so does Snowden. I believe he is not trustworthy and would sell secrets to the Chinese.
randome
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)Both he and Greenwald will be laughingstocks for a long time.
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Are you offering to be the laughingstock next week when the next part of Greenwald's articles come out?
randome
(34,845 posts)I have no problem whatsoever with saying the words "I was wrong."
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Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
muriel_volestrangler
(101,150 posts)"If you think you've done nothing wrong, you should go to the police and tell them that there's nothing wrong with smoking dope, and you do it". Some people think that some laws are unjust.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Going to a foreign nation to release our secrets does not sit well with me. I don't trust him.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,150 posts)Are you saying you'd only trust a martyr for whistleblowing? Does he have to be arrested for his information to be believable?
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)He broke the law by doing it.He made a choice and he has to live with it.
mick063
(2,424 posts)"Reveal our secrets"
This has meaning on so many levels.
When my taxes are used to "reveal our secrets" to corporate owners, I have little.sympathy for.those that pull the fire alarm when the Chinese are clued in as well. It is a matter of prioritization.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)These are real issues that need to be addressed, but Snowden made a choice and has to live with it. My worry is he will give more secrets to the Chinese and that would be treason.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)that he has thousands of classified documents that he illegally downloaded to his thumb drive and took to China.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)He stole data. It sounds like he lied about his salary and some other things, but the crux of it is that he stole data from his employer and left the country with it.
And it appears that his current move is to hand that data selectively to the Chinese to avoid prison for stealing the data. Call that what you will. Data confidentiality has been a condition of my employment pretty much everywhere I've worked. He violated that confidentiality.
The program is legal. Congress voted for it.
Necessary to keep us safe? Debatable. But here that sentiment is largely being used as a way to denigrate people as mindless followers of the government (well, Obama) if they don't say with passion that this is an extreme violation of our constitutional rights.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,150 posts)As we can see, a DUer has already posted in this thread to put forward that point in all seriousness.
arely staircase
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Catherina
(35,568 posts)It's at times like these I bless Skinner's name for the ignore feature.
I'm a firm believer of not wasting time with that drivel
Don't entertain this garbage.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,150 posts)see eg reply #5 in this thread.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)@irwinhandleman So everyone already knew what was disclosed and also Snowden is a traitor who destroyed our security? Why was it Top Secret?
If only Edward Snowden had left us in blissful ignorance of what the NSA was doing, our democracy would be stronger & we'd be better off
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)There's an important broader story here about the growing propaganda state.
As the corporate plutocracy has taken over our government, they have also been creating a pervasive and relentless propaganda machine to replace the free press of a democratic society. From the purchased mainstream media to the incessant political astroturfing of the internet, the propaganda machine in this country has never been more manipulative, dishonest, non-transparent, relentless, and determinedly pervasive, systematically infiltrating even discussion boards like DU.
What is being done to this country is well beyond creepy and disturbing at this point. We have been overtaken by corporatists intent on corporate fascism, and we are *already* being stripped of major foundations of our free society, including our right to privacy, our right to free speech, our right to protest, and, increasingly, the free press that was our most important alarm for and protection against government abuse and tyranny.
allin99
(894 posts)is in on the republican conspiracy and that's why they're suing the u.s. gov't over their call tracking.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)what people can do with the programs. And about himself. And to his employers, his friends, his girlfriend. That's just off the top of my head.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)I have no idea why they always choose creeps. How about an genuine nice guy for a change?
dionysus
(26,467 posts)randome
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