Let's say Snowden ->IS<- a Chinese spy.

[DonCoquixote]

Let's also say that GG is a libertarian scum, the sort that would keep the government too weak to do much of anything, save serve Wall Street, the typical Libertarian "I got mine, so go to Hell" type we know so well.

Let's say the the GOP is desperate, and that they are using their trained dogs, the Media, to throw up scandal after scandal, a "Gish Gallop" where the actual truth does not matter, as long as you can drown your opponent in Bullshit and eat up precious time on the clock. After all,sad to say,this technique does work, as MSNBC showed when everybody whined "Obama lost the first debate OMG!" like the well trained little pundit vermin they were.

Let's say that there WERE people who frankly, were against Obama from the first second, ranging from the right wing that wanted only WASP males in charge, to some hard leftists that frankly wanted the great revolution, and were frightened that Obama would distract from the great tearing down of civilization that was needed for the new world to begin. Let's even throw in the Maureen Dowds, Arriana Huffingtons and Jane Hamshers that act all leftist, but want Obama to fail so they can finally set about doing nothing but lay rose petals at the feet of the future election of their Lady and Savior, St. Hillary, especially if she walks all over people with Jackboots!

Let us grant ALL of this. Every UNSAVORY, UGLY bit.

None of this would change the fact that Obama allowed the fourth amendment to be compromised.
NONE OF THIS..
NONE..

And frankly, that means that we have to hold O's feet to the fire, even it it burns him and us.

[ProSense]

1. Well,

"None of this would change the fact that Obama allowed the fourth amendment to be compromised. "

...given that this isn't a fact, the rest of the OP is not good for Greenwald and Snowden.

[denem]

2. The existence of the NSA compromises the 4th amendment,

and the existence of the internet renders the distinction between domestic and international obsolete.

VOIP - TCP/IP can send it anywhere.

[DevonRex]

3. Except that we know he lied about what he said about what HE COULD DO

and what other people in the govt could do with the "programs" he talked about. In addition, people just ran with it and exaggerated it and next thing you know DU has Obama as fucking Hitler.

Somehow Loretta Sanchez has more credibility than Al Franken? How? Al is a now anti-American?

[VanillaRhapsody]

4. Apparently people seem to think that the U.S. government owns the Internet....

[frylock]

7. people continue to namedrop Al Franken while overlooking the protestations of Sanders, Udall..

and DeFazio. All trusted liberals.

[Tx4obama]

5. Okay, I'll say it: "Snowden ->IS<- a Chinese spy".

[Major Hogwash]

6. You had me going there for awhile.

But, the part about St. Hillary being "their Lady and Savior" was a little over the top.

Yet, the truth is, some white people think they are an endangered species in the U.S.
What scares the Tea Party people the most is the fact that by 2025, they will be a minority of the people in the United States.
Or by 2030, at the latest.

And it is an irreversible force, one that cannot be stopped, or swayed.

As a result, in the next 20 years or so, they will lose their grip on power.
So, they will begin to squeeze harder, but the more they squeeze, the more they will lose their grip.
So, what they are doing now is trying to villify the President, by claiming that he is the master spy, the one that is looking through all of our e-mails, and eavesdropping on all of our phone calls.
And that Black men like Obama can not be trusted.

However, it was Black men who invented the "Booty Call", so that doesn't hold water.
It's like Ice T said once, "If Obama was Superman, the white people in Congress would tell him that he can no longer fly around because he makes them all look ordinary. They would tell him to take off his cape."