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The Senate Security Office sent an email around the Hill Friday afternoon asking Senate employees and contractors to try to ignore the fact that top-secret, highly-classified documents are now floating around the Web freely (and, in the case of a terribly designed NSA Powerpoint, getting facelifts.) The email asks security managers to remind Senate employees and contractors that the documents are still technically classified and should be treated as if millions of people havent already read them. The email:
Please share with your staff the guidance below.
"Classified information, whether or not posted on public websites, disclosed to the media, or otherwise in the public domain, remains classified and must be treated as such until it is declassified by an appropriate U.S. government authority."
The director of national intelligence has declassified some information in light of the public debate, but the FISA court order, PRISM Powerpoint, NSA brochure, presidential order, as well as the dozens of newsworthy documents that Glenn Greenwald still plans to publish remain technically secret even if its a secret that anyone with an Internet connection can be let in on.
"Senate employees and contractors shall not, while accessing the web on unclassified government systems, access or download documents that are known or suspected to contain classified information."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/06/14/senate-staffers-told-to-pretend-top-secret-documents-are-not-widely-available-on-web/
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This belongs in the domain of the bumbling authority figure stereotype from an 80's teen movie.
Iggo
(47,535 posts)That is easily the stupidest thing I've heard in a loooooong time.
silverweb
(16,402 posts)easychoice
(1,043 posts)What in the hell have we built here?
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I won't trust anything "classified" unless it comes from Wikileaks or Greenwald.
Edit, when the story broke about the UK sending out a comical message to airlines instructing them NOT to let Edward Snowden board any UK flights, I laughed my head off. Then a friend in the airline industry explained that was a sneaky way of getting Snowden into the airline security system so that if he ever checked in, on any airline, his name would pop up.
These people aren't bumbling unfortunately. Everything they're doing is very deliberate.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Evidently, your source did not think that Snowden's name was already in the airline security system. Why not, I wonder? Why would this mechanism have to be used to get his name on that list?
-Laelth
Catherina
(35,568 posts)so this was a sneaky way of getting him in there. I don't think this story was meant to leak (lol!) because it came from the airlines in Singapore I think, and then some other airlines confirmed it before journalists got a vague answer from the UK authorities. The whole thing stunk anyway because there's no way Snowden would even dream of going to the UK where Julian Assange has been holed up in an embassy for a year. So much for their strong protection of activists. And Snowden, of all people, knows about the surveillance crimes taking place at Menwith Hill where the UK spies on Americans, and the Americans spy on the Brits, and then they swap the raw data saying they didn't spy on their own citizens. And from there, they also spy on all of Europe. Slippery little buggers.
The 560 acre NSA listening post at Menwith Hill has been a sore point with other EU countries and UK citizens because it was never debated in Parliament and they have no control whatsoever over it, not even their lawmakers. This is from 2007
But because Snowden may be charged with improper disclosure of classified materials, the charges could include information that itself is classified. There are limits on how that can be publicly disclosed in court, which could delay the filing of charges, experts said.
The approval process of charges of this kind are more involved than other kinds of crimes, said Jason Weinstein, a former deputy assistant attorney general and a partner in the law firm of Steptoe and Johnson. There is a lot of consideration given to what portion of the evidence can be used in the courtroom. That makes the process longer. The investigation is probably at a very early stage.
To get Snowden back to the United States, U.S. authorities could revoke his passport, putting the burden on Hong Kong to deport him. But that opens the possibility that Hong Kong or Chinese authorities or those in a sympathetic third country could grant Snowden protected status, complicating U.S. efforts to repatriate him.
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The treaty allows extradition for vaguely defined computer crimes. But it also allows Hong Kong to refuse to extradite someone where there is a political motivation for the offense, and Hong Kong authorities could decide that Snowdens disclosures constitute a political statement against U.S. surveillance programs.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-challenges-charging-edward-snowden-20130612,0,1937321.story
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)what's with that relationship? Is it the common language? Or the same elite?
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It's not admitted in official land. We all wondered why the Brits gave up on empire so easily after WW2, nope, they just joined a new one as junior partners.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)lame.
YeahSureRight
(205 posts)and the way you treat is to neither confirm nor deny it.
Unless you are involved daily in the NSA intel world you have no idea what is real and what is not and even then you may only know some of the truth.
I have been working with and have access to TS and above info since 1979.
Our Government Lies and has been for Decades sure a nugget of truth may be in what the gov tells the media but it is never the whole truth.
I have first hand experience with this too, I was present and an the middle of events that made the news and what was reported to the unwashed masses and what actually happened were two different things. As soon as the official story goes out, all other story's become BS to most people and your version of events that occurs will always be questioned.
People never believe the truth about something they do not want to hear.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I suspect this is "advice" from the Administration. It says, "Even though everyone in the world knows about these programs now, you can't talk about them because they're still classified." This is an attempt to silence our legislators so that the message can be controlled from the top. Carefully. Judiciously. Deceitfully (as it is now legal for our government to lie to the American people).
Strange times.
-Laelth
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)And those with security clearances, accessing the documents would be adverse information they'd need to report when renewing their clearance (purposely access classified information without a "need to know" . It's all still considered classified until the government declassifies it.
This is standard and nothing new.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)So, the White House just issued a friendly reminder to our legislature (telling them what they already knew) that legislators are not allowed to talk about any of this even though all the other politically-engaged people in the world are talking about it. If it's so standard, then what was the need for a reminder from the White House?
It was to shut up our legislators so that the Administration can ... control the message.
-Laelth
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)I work for a company that contracts with the govt and lots of classified information. The last time we received these reminders was when Wikileaks was having massive drops and constantly in the news.
I received a reminder yesterday from my company too.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)Autumn
(44,982 posts)fuck them.
bobduca
(1,763 posts)Last thing we need is a bunch of thoughtcrime in the senate!
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)Classified information, even leaked on the internet, is still considered classified information. Those with security clearance are reminded of this occasionally. The same restrictions are placed on the documents Wikileaks published.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I swear, it's like some DUers have never met the real world.
Sid