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An 11-year-old Auckland boy fathered a child after having sex with a school friend's 36-year-old mother.
Contact between the boy and the woman reportedly began right around April of last year, when the boy was 11.
The woman's son took a day off school and encouraged his friend to do likewise, spending the day at his home.
During the course of the day, the woman gave the boy beer and then later took part in a sexual encounter with him.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/headlines/11-year-old-boy-impregnates-friend-s-mom
DiverDave
(4,886 posts)what is the matter with that woman?
ELEVEN??
she needs to be in jail, and get rid of that baby.
A 12 year old doesnt need to be a dad.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)but that poor child needs to be taken away from her and adopted by someone responsible and loving ASAP.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)The baby was taken by social services soon after it was born.
Right there in the article.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)And it's still early in the morning. I haven't had nearly enough coffee this morning, and shouldn't be posting yet because I've messed up twice in this thread. Sorry.
derby378
(30,252 posts)He or she might wind up with great foster parents, but sooner or later the question's going to come up about his mom and dad. "They were killed in a car crash" probably isn't going to fly in the age of the Internet. The child is going to learn sooner or later, and I don't think I want to be anywhere in the vicinity when that happens.
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hlthe2b
(102,105 posts)I don't find it funny--at all. I'm a little horrified you seem to find this story nothing more than fodder for "Penthouse"...
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)from the most wonderful to the most horrible, and so much more happens every single day. This event, should it even be true, is nowhere near either end of that range. The only thing that is different about this particular instance is that you have been made aware of it.
Do you honestly believe that a woman being impregnated by a barely pubescent boy is in any way comparable on the scale of daily horror to the probably tens or hundreds of thousands of actual atrocities that were committed yesterday, or will be committed today, and many of them by our own government?
This is the issue you've determined is the one you're going to freak out about today?
What about the 30 year old woman, the 11 year old boy, and the newborn infant that will be turned into a red mist today by a 19 year old American "hero" sitting in an air conditioned office on a military base in Floriduh? Is that OK simply because you won't be told about it?
Somebody else on this very thread is saying that they would support a forced abortion if the child hadn't already been born, but my joke is the problem...
hlthe2b
(102,105 posts)about you.... That there may be another post that is disgusting does not diminish your own and you do own it.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)undeterred
(34,658 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)predict what is going to be deemed relevant here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026115
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026136
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026261
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026137
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023026017
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023025393
See #30.
Orrex
(63,168 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:24 PM - Edit history (1)
is the striking familiarity of all the names in the swarm.
Feel free to be as outraged as you like over this titillating non-story. I'll choose to pay attention to things that might actually have some effect on me and those I do care about.
Orrex
(63,168 posts)You certainly don't spend all of your time railing against the myriad injustices of this our modern world, so you really don't have any credibility when you complain about others responding to a particular part of that world.
Also, it's pretty easy to gauge the emptiness of a person's rhetoric by observing how quickly that person accuses others of being "outraged." You made it exactly one post into our exchange before you deployed that tactic.
Hmm...
MattBaggins
(7,897 posts)things that might actually have some effect on ME and those I do care about
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)of your gang, is utterly meaningless to me.
How long did it take you to work that out?
undeterred
(34,658 posts)and then trying desperately to change the subject.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Now I'm very sad...
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Ilsa
(61,688 posts)it is worth discussing. Don't misrepresent what I said.
My point is that rapists shouldn't get to control their victim's lives by forcing unwanted offspring on them.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #2)
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Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)What the fuck is wrong with you and the 4 jurors who thought your post was appropriate?
This is an eleven year old boy. What the fuck.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)trouble admitting they are wrong.
Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #2)
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)The sexual contact continued for a number of months after the initial encounter. The boy had turned 12 by the time the child was born.
Social services took the baby into care about two months ago.
The boy approached his principal in his office about two-thirds of the way through the 2012 school year and told him he had a disclosure to make.
"You won't be very happy with me," he recalled the boy saying. He said he had been having sex with his friend's mother "and it needs to stop
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I feel so badly for him. That was pure out rape and molestation of a child.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)School employees are mandated reporters.
Shrek
(3,975 posts)The principal did not hesitate to contact Child, Youth and Family Services, "We got CYF involved the minute we found out about it."
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)safeinOhio
(32,632 posts)the kid started to look like a 14 year old.
Logical
(22,457 posts)aikoaiko
(34,161 posts)I understood what you were trying to accomplish. Two other jurors did too.
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Orrex
(63,168 posts)If a 36 year old man had impregnated an 11 year old girl, you can bet that it wouldn't be framed as a deliberate act by the girl. Certainly not if he'd given her alcohol first.
He would be described as a pedophile, a predator and a monster.
Instead, the article makes it seem like the boy was a consenting partner.
mercuryblues
(14,521 posts)Orrex
(63,168 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I've often complained about this. When the victim is a child, it's "sexual molestation" or even just "sexual encounter" or "sex." I don't know why it isn't called "rape" but it absolutely should be.
I do agree that people more often suggest that the boy should be happy about it (as in the penthouse discussion upthread) when it's a boy though.
Orrex
(63,168 posts)However, I've been told that we shouldn't be upset about this, because something worse is probably happening somewhere, so it's all good.
Squinch
(50,901 posts)11 year old boy.
This thread is disturbing from beginning to end.
Archae
(46,297 posts)At least, it used to be years ago...
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Japanese porn had anything to do with this, and Japan has since made laws against that kind of thing, so why bring it up?
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boston bean
(36,217 posts)and sent to jail.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)she's changed that little boy's entire life with her perversion. Poor little guy
LWolf
(46,179 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Ilsa
(61,688 posts)abortion by the state (if the victim's parents wish it) would be okay. I mean, this crime is so heinous, that I think it might be worth discussing.
I realize she already had the baby, but if she was still pregnant, i would want to discuss it.
ForeignandDomestic
(190 posts)Are you serious?
So much for a woman's choice huh?
Ilsa
(61,688 posts)She didn't give that 11 year old boy a choice. A choice would have required her to wait 7 years.
Should rapists of any sex force others to bring their children into the world? Even if he isn't physically pregnant? What if he doesn't want his DNA mixed with that of a criminal sociopath?
A child's DNA was stolen and he was forced to become a father at age twelve. Does the victim or his proxy have zero to say in this matter? I think it's a worthwhile discussion of rights if freedom from becoming a parent, regardless of whether he (or his parents) is financially responsible for the offspring.
What if her eggs had been stolen, impregnated and implanted into a surrogate?
whopis01
(3,491 posts)To answer your question, it should be up to the surrogate and the surrogate alone whether or not she should have an abortion.
Just because you contribute DNA does not mean you should get any special say over the situation.
The 11 year should have no requirement to have contact or responsibility for the child - but in no way should he or his family be able to demand that someone else - even a criminal - be forced to have an abortion.
Ilsa
(61,688 posts)No contact, not knowing if a future offspring might be hooking up with him/her? Not knowing what happened to your flesh and blood? I wouldn't want that and I suspect there are others.
I think you give the rapist too much control over what is happening to the victim. The perpetrator shouldn't have the final say over the victim having a baby.
I completely disagree about the victim's rights when what they only did was unwillingly contribute DNA. I'd feel the same way if a woman raped a grown man at gunpoint.
whopis01
(3,491 posts)If they don't want to know about the offspring then yes, I am perfectly ok with it.
If they want to know about the offspring then they should be able to know about it.
What they should not be able to do is command that a woman have a force abortion.
In my opinion, and I realize this may not be yours, a fetus is a biological event tied to a woman's body. At least until the point where the fetus is biologically viable on its own (haven't really come to a hard conclusion on that personally - maybe until birth). So as far as I am concerned it is part of her body. That makes it her decision. No matter how fucked up she is. No matter how evil she is.
To force her to have an abortion is akin to cutting off the hand of a thief. Is it a logical conclusion? In some sense, yes... You cut off the hand so the thief can not steal again - you abort the fetus so it will not cause more harm to the victim. But it is a cruel logic. Not the logic of a civilized society.
If the concern is actually that the victim may "be hooking up" with their offspring... As unlikely as that may be... There are other solutions for that. Iceland has a system in place already due to their relatively small, confined population.
Ilsa
(61,688 posts)Not the rapist. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3030685
Rape is about control. If the victim doesn't want his DNA combined with his rapist's then I think a safe chemical or surgical abortion is reasonable.
whopis01
(3,491 posts)We don't live in a society where the victim gets to decide what happens to the perpetrator of a crime.
And women - all women - have a right to choose what happens to their bodies when it comes to pregnancy.
I understand your concern is with protecting the victim as much as possible. But to say "This is about The Victim" and then throw all other societal impacts out the window is just not acceptable. In fact, what it is doing is allowing the rapist to have far more reaching control and influence over society as a whole. Deciding that women's rights are not quite so absolute sacrifices far more than is gained by such action.
Sacrificing fundamental rights for an immediate benefit is a very dangerous path.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)female, her choice. Period. No forced abortions, no forced childbearing. CHOICE is choice.
Ilsa
(61,688 posts)You're saying a rape victim has to become a parent, one of the most intimate emotional activities in a lifetime, even if they aren't raising the child. That can't be undone. That's as bad as Congresscritters saying "its God's will" when a woman rape victim gets pregnant. Forcing something else on a male rape victim is as obscene as doing it to a female rape victim. Victims do not normally want their DNA combined with a rapist's.
An abortion is a safe procedure. If the perpetrator is offended by that, then she shouldn't have fucking raped the victim. She violated him, and will continue the violation through a pregnancy. It should always be the victim's choice to continue a pregnancy from rape, not the rapist's.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)I have a lot of sympathy with a raped man but the CHOICE is up to the pregnant woman. She should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and the resulting baby, if any, be offered first to the raped man and then put up for adoption/taken in by the court system.
It should always be the woman's choice whether or not to continue a pregnancy. Period.
And you can hold your snark, it adds little positive to the discussion.
Ilsa
(61,688 posts)It's their choice. A felony as heinous as rape should negate the perpetrator's right to decide, in favor of the victim. The victim, not the rapist, should decide whether they want a lifelong link to their rapist. The victim's needs supersede the criminal's desires.
Adopted out or not, it's still a lifelong link.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)If the pregnant woman is the rapist, still her choice. It is the pregnant woman's choice whether to continue the pregnancy. In cases like this, it is the victim's choice whether or not to have a relationship or any contact with any resulting child. But as far as abortion? It is up to the pregnant woman/girl. Her choice.
You believe in forced abortions in some cases. I understand that. I don't. Ever.
The victim here can have no contact, ever, if he so desires. But not his choice to continue the pregnancy.
whopis01
(3,491 posts)and the victim decides that he wants the child to be born but the rapist wants an abortion what would you have done?
Would you have the rapist be forced to carry the child to full term because there is a victim connected via DNA?
Ilsa
(61,688 posts)to the rapist, then I think there should be an abortion.
If the rapist wants an abortion for herself, fine. The victim shouldn't force her to carry the pregnancy.
But I don't think it's right for a rapist to force their victim to become a parent, whether it is a man or a woman, whether the victim has contact or responsibility, or not.
In three out of four possible scenarios, there would be an abortion because the victim doesn't want to bring a child into the world sharing DNA with a rapist, or because the rapist herself wants an abortion.
Frankly, I don't know why that's so hard to understand. People have the right to decide who they create a baby with, and it needs to be mutual. People search for years for a mate to procreate with. Why would anyone, male or female, abandon their standard because of a rape?
I don't think anyone, male or female, who is victimized should be forced to become a parent (present or not) because they've been raped.
You don't like forced abortion. I don't like forced pregnancy and forced parentage for men any more than for women.
whopis01
(3,491 posts)I'll simplify it to be clear.
Pregnancy is a biological process that occurs within the body of a woman. It is that woman's right to decide what happens with her body.
I understand that you disagree with this. I understand that you feel that in the case of rape, at least, the tragedy of a victim being forced to become a parent against their will outweighs the female rapist's right to control her body. You have your opinion and I have mine. And that is fine. I just wanted to be clear that my opinion was not specifically about the concept of forced abortions.
The right of a woman, any woman, to control her body is absolute in my mind. That may trouble some. That may cause pain for some. But that doesn't mean it is the wrong thing. Sacrificing fundamental rights for an immediate benefit is a very dangerous path.
Ilsa
(61,688 posts)fundamental right not to procreate with someone of his choosing.
People like to think it would be a simple thing: big deal if the man has a kid out there. But their wives, partners, even other children could suffer. It is certainly an emotional issue, especially if the parent discovers their offspring is in a horrible living situation like foster care. And I don't trust government in their promise not to keep the father financially responsible.
I'll remind you that there are many things we have to endure medically to conform to laws, including vaccinations, mandated doctors exams, etc. An abortion, especially if medical, is noninvasive. Even an early term surgical abortion carries very little risk.
I maintain that the right to be free of parenting someone else's child conceived in the commission of a felony is every bit as important as the rapist's right to determine what happens in her womb. There are also consequences, sometimes natural, sometimes legal, to criminal behavior.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)http://www.casebriefs.com/blog/law/constitutional-law/outline-constitutional-law-law/equal-protection-outline-constitutional-law-law/fundamental-rights/
"An abortion, especially if medical, is noninvasive." What other type abortions are there besides medical? If you meant the abortion pill, that works only to 59/60 days.
Ilsa
(61,688 posts)do not change how any one who has been raped feel about forced pregnancy and forced parenting. That's a lifelong abomination.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Her body, her choice. Period. Doesn't matter if she's a criminal or the most heinous person on earth. It's still her body and still her choice. Neither forced abortion nor forced childbearing is remotely acceptable. Both remove a woman's right to her own body.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)though knowing DU, many people here would be happy for her to have the baby and start making the kid pay child support.
Some of the comments in here are truly disgusting. A kid got raped and some people want to joke about it. Super.
Barf.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that people are thinking this is anything but pedophilia and rape of a child? I've yet to see one.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I didn't get the jokes . This is absolutely horrifying, and to see someone commenting as a brush-off is entirely stupid. As was my comment that no one did. I didn't realize what the posters were implying.
Orrex
(63,168 posts)These, I believe, are the "jokes" in question.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Orrex
(63,168 posts)Sadly, though, it illustrates the point that I was making previously; if a 36-year-old male had impregnated an 11-year-old girl, no one would be joking about it.
However, since the genders are reversed, some people think it's comedy gold.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Either way. It says a lot of shameful things about society that anyone could consider this "comedy gold".
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I can't say anything else
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)I can see now why I was the only one to bother sending alerts. Might as well get rid of any moderation system here since this one is clearly worthless.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It took a lot of energy to be a moderator, but this one is no moderation at all, pretty much, unless it is so egregious that it burns your eyes to look at it.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)But that was DU2.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)[img][/img] We don't joke about rape here.
And that's real good. I hate reading stories about victimized kids of either sex, then finding out it's all one big laugh riot to a few folks.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)I hope you feel at home on DU.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Disgusting.
Welcome to DU.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)ONE person (who is now on my Ignore list) made a "joke" and was called on it. As far as the "forced abortion" shit I've seen it on here before. Too many are pro-choice until they're not. Back when Michelle Dugger was pregnant with her 20th child, you should have seen these "pro choice" people screaming about forced sterility.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)of 36, but this is so sick!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Dear me, what a damn response to this.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)Nt
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Nasty shit allowed to stand.
My heart breaks for this child. The fact that HE (at the ripe old age of 12) knew that this relationship was bad and wrong enough to tell somebody "that this needed to stop" absolutely breaks my heart. Lord only knows how this is going to affect him for the rest of his life.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)not a fucking thing that's what. You know less about class, given this disgusting post. Anyone that jokes about a kid being raped and makes it about someone being horny...
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)but about control. Pedophilia is sick and not because someone is "horny".
Have you lost you mind?
NO. Women are not "horny as hell" This was fucking child abuse... PERIOD! Good GOD!
MadrasT
(7,237 posts)It's pedophilia.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)statement I wouldn't know where to start. Oh wait. Yeah, I do.
sigmasix
(794 posts)This woman should spend a major portion of the remainder of her life in prison. An 11 year old boy is not capable of giving consent for a "sexual" experience with an adult. Childhood victims of rape spend decades of thier life dealing with the emotional damage and sexual dysfunctions that result from forced sexualization and sick declarations of romantic love for the victim.
I hope this boy is able to find safety from the rapist and her sick objectification of him.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)that the sexual abuse of children happens all too frequently, that we need harsher penalties for those who prey on children, and that survivors of these horrific crimes should never be blamed or made the fodder for anyone's insensitive 'jokes'!
redqueen
(115,101 posts)she wasn't 'having sex' with him she was RAPING him.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)There, fixed.
This reminds me of the Roman Polanski rape.
Sanity Claws
(21,839 posts)This is so sick.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Good the boy went to his school principle and asked for help.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)rucky
(35,211 posts)after jail
Butterbean
(1,014 posts)I find it disgusting, sick, horrifying, and awful. Neither my husband nor I would find it funny or awesome if our son was drugged with alcohol and subsequently raped by a 36 year old woman.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Bigmack
(8,020 posts)11 is pretty young for sperm generation.
The books say sperm generation starts about one year after puberty starts.
The range for puberty starts around 10, so it's pretty close.
I think a paternity test is in order.
The boy was raped, no question, but I wonder if he was the only one having sex with her.
The fact that he "came out" to his principal indicates that he was traumatized by the sex. It might be some small comfort to the boy to know he, at least, didn't father the child.
(Sorry to be OT... which apparently is: How Insensitive Some People Are, rather than Boy Raped.)
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Just wanted to make sure there was no question of submission to the self-appointed hall monitors.
And this is still a non-story.
Orrex
(63,168 posts)You opted to open your mouth again and remove all doubt.
Fair enough.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Orrex
(63,168 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Orrex
(63,168 posts)If I'm going to be considered trivial by someone, it might as well be by a rape comedian.
That's on par with being considered trivial by a coprophage or a garden variety sociopath.
And it's curious that you consider me trivial yet still take the time to reply.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)supportive gang over the past year. Well I guess I shall simply have to carry on as best I can without your support and understanding into the future.
Have a wonderful day!
Orrex
(63,168 posts)Is that typical of rape comedians?
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:17 PM - Edit history (1)
Do you imagine that if you just keep calling me names, and hurling accusations that somehow I will give in? Are you imagining that the power of Orrex will overcome the great evil and you will arise, bloodied but victorious having vanquished the scourge of moralists everywhere?
It's not going to happen. Ever. I will not abide bullies, and I'm certainly not going to be intimidated by the like of you.
I don't alert (although you're weak attempts to elicit an alertable response from me are completely transparent), and I don't use the refuge of ignore. So, feel free to keep flailing and uselessly thrashing about. I'll be back after a bit to see if you've managed to come up with anything entertaining.
Do you really wear a Moo-Moo and chain smoke Parliaments]?
I'm laughing at you right now.
Orrex
(63,168 posts)You giggle about the rape of an 11 year old boy and dismiss his story as trivial titillation, and then you spout some bullshit about your fearlessness in the face of bullies? The fact that you're laughing at me means nothing except that you've missed the point entirely.
I don't care whether you alert on these posts or not, because I'm only posting in order to give you the opportunity to reveal yourself, lest anyone have any doubt about what a rape comedian looks like.
Please do continue.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Or is it that you're all bent out of shape because you believed the stories the alpha-boys told you when you were going through puberty?
That's OK, hardly any of us were really getting what we wanted.
Orrex
(63,168 posts)But I admit that that's just speculation.
However, you are indeed a rape comedian--who the hell knows what's rattling around in that kind of a skull?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,220 posts)"That's on par with being considered trivial by a coprophage or a garden variety sociopath."
kiva
(4,373 posts)if only you had the power to zap this non-story out of existence we'd all be much better human beings.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)demmiblue
(36,816 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)creating this. Thank you very much.
demmiblue
(36,816 posts)BainsBane
(53,010 posts)That's a fucking shitty thing to say.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)illusion that you were doing a good thing, for good reasons.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)and deprived me of laughing at the hypocrisy and false morality of the bully gang, and where's the fun in that?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Jeebus.....I feel pity for you.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)The one guy is doing graphics, and Orrex got to the name-calling misquoting about 5 replies ago.
And ripping off Matt Groening... C'mon, you're not even trying.
Initech
(100,028 posts)JI7
(89,239 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)NDJ World | Published: Jun 15 2013 Australia?World News
Suzy A
Under present New Zealand rape laws, women who have none-consensual sex can only be accused of sexual abuse and only men can be accused of rape.
- See more at: http://www.nodeju.com/9809/11-year-old-impregnates-36-year-old.html#sthash.MujkRDWW.dpuf
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)It's not only rape, but pedophilia, and as such, doubly grievous. Hopefully, men and women in NZ will see the deficit of the law and work to change it based on this case. Age of consent is age of consent, regardless of gender, and this is nowhere near a 'Romeo&Juliet'-case of a 15 year old and a 17 year old (age of consent in NZ being 16, iirc.)
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)That's a start.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)I hope a case like this would get more men to join women in their fight for equal rights - patriarchy is, at times, just as harsh towards men as towards women, and this idea that boys are supposed to be happy that they get raped by older women is a very definite part of patriarchy. It's seen as an early blooding, as it were a manhood test in a hunter gatherer society, when in reality it is rape, and pedophilia, and child abuse, and needs to be harshly punished. These days an 11-year old might have entered puberty physically, but he is still very much a child, and our laws recognize that by refusing to let him drive, drink, vote, and sign contracts. It follows that he is then too young to have sex. Men need to challenge their own culture that says that this is positive - women are doing it with internalized misogyny and cultural expectations. there's no reason why men shouldn't do the same.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)This woman is a rapist and a pedophile. That kid didn't 'impregnate' her, he was raped.
I hope they change this law.
duuser5822
(54 posts)What a sick pervert. I feel so sorry for that poor kid, he's probably so traumatized..
mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)a tragedy.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,756 posts)Send her away for a very long time.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)This topic is fxxxing gross and is nothing to joke about.
11 years old is too young for sex, even with another 11 year old.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)NDJ World | Published: Jun 15 2013 Australia?World News
Suzy A
The news has startled New Zealand social workers who demand the country revises its existing rape laws.
Authorities are flabbergasted that the school the boy and his friend attend knew about the sexual contact between the boy and his friends mother but never did anything to intervene.
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Under present New Zealand rape laws, women who have none-consensual sex can only be accused of sexual abuse and only men can be accused of rape.
- See more at: http://www.nodeju.com/9809/11-year-old-impregnates-36-year-old.html#sthash.MujkRDWW.dpuf
mimi85
(1,805 posts)I think this is one of the more disgusting threads I've seen on DU. Some of the posts (who shall remain nameless) are truly despicable.
Squinch
(50,901 posts)This thread is pretty disturbing. I just updated my ignore list.
tblue
(16,350 posts)I teach 7 year olds. They are BABIES! What kinda crazy was this woman? And she had the nerve to cop to this?
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Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)dissent, or jokes, are allowed.
uppityperson
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demmiblue
(36,816 posts)What the fuck is wrong with you?
Is that your taste? Underage children?
Holy shite!!
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)demmiblue
(36,816 posts)Or are tolerant of such.
Orrex
(63,168 posts)alp227
(32,003 posts)I deplore the way countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran punish women for the most trivial of matters like extramarital sex and have such primitive judicial punishment like LASHES.
But sometimes I feel that some people should be outsourced to such countries for prosecution.