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marmar

(77,072 posts)
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 05:48 PM Jun 2013

The whistleblowers are the new generation of American patriots


The whistleblowers are the new generation of American patriots
The violation of civil liberties in the name of security has had a profound impact on those who came of age after 9/11

Gary Younge
The Guardian, Sunday 16 June 2013


When Darrell Anderson, 22, joined the US military he knew there was going to be a war, and he wanted to fight it. "I thought I was going to free Iraqi people," he told me. "I thought I was going to do a good thing."

Until, that is, he realised precisely what he had to do. While on patrol in Baghdad, he thought: "What are we doing here? Are we looking for weapons of mass destruction? No. Are we helping the people? No, they hate us. What are we working towards, apart from just staying alive? If this was my neighbourhood and foreign soldiers were doing this then what would I be doing?" Within a few months, he says, "I was cocking my weapon at innocent civilians without any sympathy or humanity". While home on leave he realised he was not going to be able to lead a normal life if he went back. His mum drove him to Canada, where I met him in 2006 at a picnic for war resisters in Fort Erie.

Anderson's trajectory, from uncritical patriotism to conscious disaffection and finally to conscientious dissent, is a familiar one among a generation of Americans who came of political age after 9/11. Over time, efforts to balance the myth of American freedom on which they were raised, with the reality of American power that they have been called on to monitor or operate, causes a profound dislocation in their world view. Like a meat eater in an abattoir, they are forced to confront the brutality of the world they are implicated in and recoil at their role in it – occasionally in dramatic fashion.

It is from this generation that the most recent prominent whistleblowers have emerged: Edward Snowden, 29, the former National Security Agency contractor, now on the run after passing evidence of mass snooping to the Guardian; Bradley Manning, who at 22 gave classified diplomatic and military information to WikiLeaks and now faces a court martial; the late Aaron Swartz, who by 24 was a veteran hacker when he was arrested for illegally downloading academic articles from Massachusetts Institute of Technology and later took his own life; and Jeremy Hammond, 28, who is facing federal criminal charges for allegedly publicising the internal files of a private spying agency. ....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/16/whistleblowers-new-generation-american-patriots



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The whistleblowers are the new generation of American patriots (Original Post) marmar Jun 2013 OP
My God, what we have done is F-ing criminal. dkf Jun 2013 #1
"One sin leads to a deeper sin." Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #3
Off To The Greatest Page !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #2
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #4
Too bad so many around here want to send them to the gas chambers. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #5
WE need to listen to that generation... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #6
A lot of the youth see themselves relating to Snowden davidn3600 Jun 2013 #7
nothing new there usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #8
And I'm glad to see that marions ghost Jun 2013 #24
I can't rec this enough. n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #9
What about the part where he helped the Chinese with specific flamingdem Jun 2013 #10
He told the world, not just China, that the US Gov is spying on EVERYONE usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #12
China is our partner, not our enemy. reusrename Jun 2013 #15
They just stole plans for the next generation of flamingdem Jun 2013 #17
Fascism by any other name is not as sweet. L0oniX Jun 2013 #20
whose? flamingdem Jun 2013 #21
Do you have evidence? backscatter712 Jun 2013 #19
That's pretty sad. Forget doing something good NightWatcher Jun 2013 #11
When putting your life and liberty at risk to inform your fellow Americans of gov wrong-doing usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #13
An excellent article that gets to the core motivation of these young whistle blowers usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #14
I came across this quote Caretha Jun 2013 #16
Now all we need is a mass rebellion. L0oniX Jun 2013 #18
The dissapointment Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #22
Need anyone ask why they're blowing the whistle? Catherina Jun 2013 #23
It is a bad direction for our country Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #25
Good for the 9/11 generation! avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #26
Whistleblowing is the first step. The second step is us taking direct action to Zorra Jun 2013 #27
 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
1. My God, what we have done is F-ing criminal.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 06:29 PM
Jun 2013

Shame on us for putting our young people in such a position where they need to put everything on the line to do what is right and decent.

You wonder why things are so screwed up? Because the people who have been around don't blink an eye and are willing to excuse it all.

It permeates our society.

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
3. "One sin leads to a deeper sin."
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 06:52 PM
Jun 2013

01:17:42 One sin leads to a deeper sin.

01:17:44 - Now you sound like Papa. - Adultery, fornication, lies, killing.

01:17:49 - Shut up already. - Or you'll have your friends shut me up?

Woody Allen, Crimes and Misdemeanors

>>"I thought I was going to free Iraqi people," he told me. "I thought I was going to do a good thing." >>>>

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
5. Too bad so many around here want to send them to the gas chambers.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:18 PM
Jun 2013

They've pretty much given up their lives and livelihoods to warn us of an encroaching police state.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
6. WE need to listen to that generation...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:23 PM
Jun 2013

We've seen the writing on the wall, but it's not big enough, apparently.

We've also seen the enemy and the enemy is US if we don't snap out of it!

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
7. A lot of the youth see themselves relating to Snowden
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:50 PM
Jun 2013

If you did a poll asking if Snowden is a hero or traitor, and break it down by age groups, i'm willing to bet most older folks (50+) will consider him a traitor and most younger folks (under 40) would call him a hero.

The youth is becoming more and more socially liberal and anti-establishment.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
24. And I'm glad to see that
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:45 AM
Jun 2013

however you should remember that the millennials are the boomers' children. Boomers deserve a little credit for the great kids they have turned out.

Also a whole LOT of people over 50 are applauding Snowden and the other whistleblowers. It's just that Snowden did this in such a dramatic way that the younger generation is following, getting the message and weighing in strongly. If he is a hero to them...excellent! But he's applauded by more older folks than you realize.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
10. What about the part where he helped the Chinese with specific
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:10 PM
Jun 2013

information? I don't quite see that as patriotic.

 

reusrename

(1,716 posts)
15. China is our partner, not our enemy.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 08:13 AM
Jun 2013

I understand this reaction to the China thing, but it's probably the wrong way to look at things.

Sure, there is a kabuki dance where China is demonized by the same folks who are shipping jobs over there (Mitt Romney comes to mind), but China is still not a declared enemy of the US.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
17. They just stole plans for the next generation of
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jun 2013

military weapons from the US.

They are a military threat regardless of what I agree is a love affair of debt and consumption compatibility

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
19. Do you have evidence?
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:51 AM
Jun 2013

All I hear is innuendo and speculation. If you think Snowden's given secrets to China that he hasn't given to the public, prove it.

Otherwise, you're nothing but another character-assassinating asshole.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
11. That's pretty sad. Forget doing something good
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:15 PM
Jun 2013

I guess pointing the finger at those doing bad is enough these days.

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
13. When putting your life and liberty at risk to inform your fellow Americans of gov wrong-doing
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jun 2013

not only is that 'good', but very brave, selfless, and patriotic.

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
14. An excellent article that gets to the core motivation of these young whistle blowers
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jun 2013

Makes me wonder if I will see such an article in any of our M$M papers?

K&R

Thanks for sharing

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
16. I came across this quote
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 09:16 AM
Jun 2013

on my daughter's Facebook page. She is of the generation in your OP. I found it very interesting - at the end, she states she doesn't know who wrote it:

" What they did not want you to ever find out is that your generation, the generation born between 1980-1995, actually outnubmers the Baby Boomers. They knew that if you ever turned your eye towards political reform, you could change the world. They tried to keep you sated on vapid television shows and vapid music. They cut off your education and fed you brain candy. They took away your music and gave you top ten pop stations. They cut off your art and replaced it with endless reality shows for you to plug into, hoping you would sit quietly by as they ran the world. We as a society are only as strong as our weakest link. Give 'em hell kids."

I didn't write this, trying to figure out who did. Resonates deeply though, wake up and take back our planet, our home and live without fear.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
22. The dissapointment
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:55 AM
Jun 2013

and the anger against the establishment and MIC is really high with my generation. We may have a poor future economically, but we refuse to give up our fundamental rights

My generation has nothing to lose ($$$) as we have very little wealth, so we will fight for little we have left. People call us a lost generation, but we refuse to be labeled this way. We are not lost, but rather we know where we need to go to reach prosperity that isn't tied to a dollar sign.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
23. Need anyone ask why they're blowing the whistle?
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 09:27 AM
Jun 2013

Because this kid should never have been put in this situation



And this is unconscionable




Everything about the criminal conspiracy surrounding 9-11 is in those NSA vaults.
All the illegal trading that took place
The blackmailing to support the wars
The Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr, Malcolm X assassination...
Think about it.


"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked..."

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
25. It is a bad direction for our country
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:30 AM
Jun 2013

I don't care if corporate dems label us as crazy leftists or radical liberals with hair on fire. This is just wrong for our party, and for our country.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
27. Whistleblowing is the first step. The second step is us taking direct action to
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jun 2013

eliminate the corrupt practices that are exposed by heroic whistleblowers.

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