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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:12 PM Jun 2013

While Johnny-come-lately civil libertarians were whining, SCOTUS just gutted an amendment

Leaving aside the provenance of data that has not been under 4th Amendment protection since 1979, this is awful: SCOTUS has just ruled that voluntary silence can be introduced as evidence against a defendant. While the government still cannot compel testimony against one's self, this is a shocking reduction of the rights protected by the 5th Amendment, which had previously been interpreted to say silence cannot be used against a defendant.

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While Johnny-come-lately civil libertarians were whining, SCOTUS just gutted an amendment (Original Post) Recursion Jun 2013 OP
Another little step towards total control. RC Jun 2013 #1
Link please! Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #2
Here enlightenment Jun 2013 #3
So, exactly what do you have to say and how do you prove you said it? Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #15
Here, read this: enlightenment Jun 2013 #16
Thanks, I will Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #19
^^ That Recursion Jun 2013 #4
Probably earlier than 1979. Glad you pointed that out. Wish more people understood. nt wandy Jun 2013 #5
Well, it was ambiguous until 1979 Recursion Jun 2013 #6
Here's what I think will really help: OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #7
Stage 1 is certainly working (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #8
Decision was a 5-4 party line split. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #9
Right, the two parties are the same Recursion Jun 2013 #10
You mourn the dead, while mocking those fighting for the living usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #11
At least all of this bullshit is coming out in time for us to change it, before the entire thing is Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #12
Sigh. redqueen Jun 2013 #13
New miranda... sarisataka Jun 2013 #14
Shitty snark aside, thank you. This is yet another complete travesty and brick in the TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #17
Both our 4th and 5th Amendment rights are under attack. One is not more important than the liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #18
 

RC

(25,592 posts)
1. Another little step towards total control.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:24 PM
Jun 2013

If they want you gone, anything you could, might, would did do, or not do, is against the law.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
6. Well, it was ambiguous until 1979
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:36 PM
Jun 2013

Smith v. Maryland. codified what had been the majority courts' opinions until then.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
7. Here's what I think will really help:
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 05:49 PM
Jun 2013

Get the emo-left all whipped up over pesuedo-scandals so that, at best, they stay away from voting booths in 2014. That way, the Senate can turn just a wee bit red - enough so that, should there be a SCOTUS vacancy, we can all be assured that it won't be filled by some dastardly commie likely to disagree with rulings such as this.

Should we be faced with the current Court roster in 2016, ratchet up the outrage and push the remaining sreaming memies (sic) over to Paultopia. Eventually, we'll get the court we deserve.

Maybe someone can suggest an alternative, but, for now, this one's off to a fantastic start!

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
9. Decision was a 5-4 party line split.
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jun 2013

But it doesn't matter whether you elect a Dem or a GOP President, some say.

Riiiiiiiiight.

 

usGovOwesUs3Trillion

(2,022 posts)
11. You mourn the dead, while mocking those fighting for the living
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:17 PM
Jun 2013

FYI: That 79 verdict was about 1 man, and meta-data, not spying on everyone.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
12. At least all of this bullshit is coming out in time for us to change it, before the entire thing is
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:29 PM
Jun 2013

lost...

sarisataka

(18,627 posts)
14. New miranda...
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:34 PM
Jun 2013

"You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say or do not say may be used in a court..."

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
17. Shitty snark aside, thank you. This is yet another complete travesty and brick in the
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 12:41 AM
Jun 2013

police state wall.

It is coming from every direction, feeding off each other and putting the citizen under control.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
18. Both our 4th and 5th Amendment rights are under attack. One is not more important than the
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 01:32 AM
Jun 2013

other. We must protect all of our rights when they are under attack.

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