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wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:24 AM Jun 2013

Snowden: being called a traitor by Cheney is "highest honor you can give an American"

"...whom he denounced as “a man who gave us the warrantless wiretapping scheme as a kind of atrocity warm-up on the way to deceitfully engineering a conflict that has killed over 4,400 and maimed nearly 32,000 Americans, as well as leaving over 100,000 Iraqis dead.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/18/world/asia/nsa-leaker-denies-giving-classified-data-to-china.html?ref=us&_r=0

Fucking awesome.

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Snowden: being called a traitor by Cheney is "highest honor you can give an American" (Original Post) wtmusic Jun 2013 OP
Lots of Cheney wannabes doing the same thing. The Link Jun 2013 #1
Cheney "wannabes". So anyone who takes a position against yours on Snowden is a still_one Jun 2013 #4
Your assumption doesn't follow wtmusic Jun 2013 #7
So, teabaggers are calling Snowden a hero. Are you a teabagger? KittyWampus Jun 2013 #6
How primitive. nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #8
Not primitive it demonstrates the logical flaw the op is making. It should be argued on still_one Jun 2013 #11
as is the title in the OP> it's childish. Both statements are. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #14
If Cheney wasn't specifically calling him a traitor, you'd have a point. wtmusic Jun 2013 #16
He who the thrown shoe fits... Octafish Jun 2013 #9
I have mixed feelings about Snowden, and I'm not sure The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2013 #2
He is also for gay rights. So if you're argument is because Cheney says something it must be bad still_one Jun 2013 #3
only because of his daughter..do not ever think the man actually has a heart and mind to care about xiamiam Jun 2013 #13
+1 wtmusic Jun 2013 #17
Sure is way up there. K and R. I'm likin' this guy more every day. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #5
It's in your face, maybe a bit over the top, but it sure is memorable! reformist2 Jun 2013 #10
If the Authoritarian Fascists believe that Snowden is a big enough threat... bvar22 Jun 2013 #12
Just the "tip" peaking out from behind all that uh *transparency" Catherina Jun 2013 #18
For someone without a HS diploma wtmusic Jun 2013 #19
Compare him with George W. Bush... backscatter712 Jun 2013 #20
Poise is a good word for him. I'd be tripping if I was in his shoes Catherina Jun 2013 #22
Where did you hear about the hospitals? nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #23
Here. Criticical systems in hospitals and universities going down when NSA hacks and makes a mistake Catherina Jun 2013 #24
Thanks nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #25
It is not often that the Political Power Hitters for the Fascist Home Team like Cheney.... bvar22 Jun 2013 #21
Truth. I'm starting to really like Mr. Snowden. Cheney is anti-democratic 1% fascist scum. nt Zorra Jun 2013 #15

still_one

(91,937 posts)
4. Cheney "wannabes". So anyone who takes a position against yours on Snowden is a
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jun 2013

Cheney wannabe?

Does that include his views on gay rights

Not a very good way to argue a view

still_one

(91,937 posts)
11. Not primitive it demonstrates the logical flaw the op is making. It should be argued on
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 11:55 AM
Jun 2013

It's own merits, not what a third party thinks

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
16. If Cheney wasn't specifically calling him a traitor, you'd have a point.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 02:03 PM
Jun 2013

There's hypocrisy here which went right over your head.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. He who the thrown shoe fits...
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:56 AM
Jun 2013

...should wear it.

Outstanding, The Link. May the phrase leave a mark on those deserving.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
2. I have mixed feelings about Snowden, and I'm not sure
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:27 AM
Jun 2013

whether it matters so much whether he's a hero or a traitor; what he revealed is much more significant than who he is. However, being called a traitor by Dick Cheney certainly is a point in his favor.

still_one

(91,937 posts)
3. He is also for gay rights. So if you're argument is because Cheney says something it must be bad
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 10:32 AM
Jun 2013

There are enough people on both sides of the political spectrum that have different perspectives about Snowden

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
13. only because of his daughter..do not ever think the man actually has a heart and mind to care about
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jun 2013

others...unless it furthers his agenda and interests

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
12. If the Authoritarian Fascists believe that Snowden is a big enough threat...
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 01:13 PM
Jun 2013

to summon Darth Cheney out of his cave just to attack Snowden,
then I'm starting to believe that there IS a THERE there.

The depth, venom, and coordination with which the Security/Surveillance State Proponents attacked Snowden last week have my political Spidey Senses tingling.
"They" wouldn't bother Cheney unless it is Defcon 1.
I'm beginning to believe that this might be "just the tip of the iceberg."

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
18. Just the "tip" peaking out from behind all that uh *transparency"
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 02:13 PM
Jun 2013

Really, think about it, some little people nobody, who "doesn't even have a high-school diploma"(lmao at that lame attack) just seriously tripped up the imperial machine that's been wreaking havoc throughout the world and now has turned on its own people.

When you depend on that machine to help you fabricate *evidence* for waging perpetual war and crooks like Cheney are making multi millions from those wars, imagine the fury against that "who-does-he-think-he-is high-school dropout" who dared.

We now know, from an NSA Director, that the entire US Congress is under surveillance.

Imagine what power that gives "evil-doers" who can push Congress into rubber-stamping anything they want, like war, like austerity, like privatization, like outsourcing for profit, like war-profiteering...

"just the tip of the iceberg"

wtmusic

(39,166 posts)
19. For someone without a HS diploma
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 02:15 PM
Jun 2013

he has more intelligence and more poise than everyone on Fox News put together.

INCLUDING Sarah Palin.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
20. Compare him with George W. Bush...
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jun 2013

El Chimpo Diablo got degrees from Harvard and Yale, and look how he turned out.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
22. Poise is a good word for him. I'd be tripping if I was in his shoes
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 05:01 PM
Jun 2013

The enormity of what he did, for the good of the US and the world, is staggering.

The NSA was hacking into hospitals and when they made a mistake the hospital's network would come down. HELLO?! There are babies, and sick people, and old people hooked up to machines in there fighting for their lives and this is what we're doing just because we can? Just because some unknown people in dark caves in DC want information on everyone roaming this earth? These are criminals we're talking about.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
24. Here. Criticical systems in hospitals and universities going down when NSA hacks and makes a mistake
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 05:47 PM
Jun 2013
GlennGreenwald
17 June 2013 2:11pm

Let's begin with these:

1) Why did you choose Hong Kong to go to and then tell them about US hacking on their research facilities and universities?

2) How many sets of the documents you disclosed did you make, and how many different people have them? If anything happens to you, do they still exist?

Answer:

1) First, the US Government, just as they did with other whistleblowers, immediately and predictably destroyed any possibility of a fair trial at home, openly declaring me guilty of treason and that the disclosure of secret, criminal, and even unconstitutional acts is an unforgivable crime. That's not justice, and it would be foolish to volunteer yourself to it if you can do more good outside of prison than in it.

Second, let's be clear: I did not reveal any US operations against legitimate military targets. I pointed out where the NSA has hacked civilian infrastructure such as universities, hospitals, and private businesses because it is dangerous. These nakedly, aggressively criminal acts are wrong no matter the target. Not only that, when NSA makes a technical mistake during an exploitation operation, critical systems crash. Congress hasn't declared war on the countries - the majority of them are our allies - but without asking for public permission, NSA is running network operations against them that affect millions of innocent people. And for what? So we can have secret access to a computer in a country we're not even fighting? So we can potentially reveal a potential terrorist with the potential to kill fewer Americans than our own Police? No, the public needs to know the kinds of things a government does in its name, or the "consent of the governed" is meaningless.

2) All I can say right now is the US Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023033003#post3

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
21. It is not often that the Political Power Hitters for the Fascist Home Team like Cheney....
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 03:31 PM
Jun 2013

...move out of the shadows behind the throne to attack a single, non-political US Citizen.
I remember when Bush-the-Lesser attacked Private Citizen Michael Moore from the podium in his State-or-the-Union address. I can't remember a US President EVER attacking a private citizen during the SOTU Address. That instantly elevated Michael Moore's standings to HERO for the Opposition. It was then that I realized how much the Fascist Security State feared Michael Moore, and how STUPID these people are.

On the same day that Cheney ventured out into daylight to attacked Snowden,
Bob Schieffer, in an absurd FAILED attack that was (incredibly) repeated on DU, compared Snowden to MLK and Rosa Parks.
Something IS up.

The only distressing thing about these attacks is how MANY misguided Americans have been tricked into playing for the same team that Cheney Power Hits for.

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