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with law enforcement officers -- even if I've done nothing wrong or illegal...
Supreme Court Rules Fifth Amendment Has to Actually Be Invoked
Scott Shackford|Jun. 17, 2013 4:00 pm
In a 5-4 decision the Supreme Court ruled today that a potential defendants silence can be used against him if he is being interviewed by police but is not arrested (and read his Miranda rights) and has not verbally invoked the protection of the Fifth Amendment.
Tim Lynch at the Cato Institute explains that the Salinas v. Texas case was intended to be about whether prosecutors during a trial could cast aspersions on a defendants silence during questioning that took place prior to arrest prior to the defendent being told he had the right to remain silent. Instead, the Supreme Court determined that they wouldnt need to rule on the matter because the defendant had never invoked the Fifth Amendments protection. This decision means that its the responsibility of the individual to know about the protections offered by the Fifth Amendment even prior to arrest and to actually verbally invoke it:
The Court said Salinas simply remained silent and did not formally invoke any constitutional right, so prosecutors could offer commentary to the jury. Whats most disturbing about the ruling is its discussion of burdens. The plurality put the onus on the individual, not the government. That is the profound error in the decision. As the dissenters noted, in the circumstances of the case, it was evident what Salinas was doing. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has complicated the law for persons who are the most vulnerablepersons who lack education, persons who do not speak English very well, persons who may suffer from mental problems, and persons who may be under the influence of alcohol. This is a bad day for the Bill of Rights.
Justice Stephen Breyers dissent notes that it should have been fairly clear that the defendant was invoking his Fifth Amendment right not to incriminate himself even if he didnt use the words Fifth Amendment:
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Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)You better be on tape.
1monster
(11,012 posts)Rights!" and hand them out to everybody... More and more it feels like we all are on the
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Or they can use that refusal as a sign of guilt? That's insane!
GodlessBiker
(6,314 posts)... and that change in behavior is what can be admitted.
It is a terrible decision and will only lead people to shut down conversations earlier before they have been mirandized. People will rightly believe that if they ever want to change their mind and cut back on their cooperation, their change in behavior will be used against them. Better that they not say anything, ever.
1monster
(11,012 posts)Period. Stop.
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)Just ask if you are being detained and if not whether you are free to go.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)He was invoking his 5th Amendment rights. You know, you have the right to remain silent, and to refuse to answer any questions, or stop answering at any time. He stood mute.
A book by Rex Stout of his famed Detective Nero Wolfe came to mind when I read and considered this information. Archie Goodwin the assistant was being interviewed by the police after being arrested.
I am almost certainly going to screw up the quote, so I apologize in advance. "You have my name, and from now on I'm going to stand mute. If you ask me about the case, I'll stand mute. If you ask me what I want for breakfast, sausage or bacon, I'll stand mute, so you better give me both. If you ask who I like in he world series, I'll stand mute."
He was giving the speech to see if the cop could fill out the form while Archie was talking at him, but it seems that we need such a speech memorized, perhaps printed, ourselves. Sad isn't it?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)corkhead
(6,119 posts)" I have the right to remain silent. Anything I say can be used against me in a court of law. I have the right to speak to an attorney..."
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)And people are so trusting, they frequently believe what cops tell them.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)I would double check a cop if he said night was dark and day was light.
first thing you say is "Officer, am I being detained and if not, then I'm leaving". If you are detained than the next thing you say is, "Officer, please read me my Miranda warning and then I'm invoking my 5th amendment right and I want my lawyer."
After that, don't say another word to them.
Oh and if the cops come to you as say "Why don't we go down to the station so we can talk about............."
Unless you're being placed under arrest, you don't have to fucking go anywhere with them, unlike what Law & Order likes to portray.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Don't talk to a cop if you don't have to. Many times they're just fishing for something. Ask if you are being detained, if not leave, if so ask for your rights then zip it till a lawyer is present.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)Best advice ... run!