President Obama and Mike Rogers, Chairman, House Intelligence Committee, agree on one thing...

[kentuck]

There are rules and procedures to follow when you work with the NSA. Both Mr Rogers and the President made clear where they stand. The House GOP agreed with both of them. There are standards to be met.

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Obama told Charlie Rose last night:

"What I can say unequivocally is that if you are a US person, the NSA cannot listen to your telephone calls … by law and by rule, and unless they … go to a court, and obtain a warrant, and seek probable cause, the same way it's always been, the same way when we were growing up and we were watching movies, you want to go set up a wiretap, you got to go to a judge, show probable cause."

The GOP chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Mike Rogers, told CNN that the NSA "is not listening to Americans' phone calls. If it did, it is illegal. It is breaking the law." Talking points issued by the House GOP in defense of the NSA claimed that surveillance law only "allows the Government to acquire foreign intelligence information concerning non-U.S.-persons (foreign, non-Americans) located outside the United States."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/19/fisa-court-oversight-process-secrecy

[dkf]

1. Yeah like the IRS isn't supposed to target groups based on ideology.

[DevonRex]

2. And it did NOT. Push that fucking meme somewhere else. Didn't you watch Mathews?

[dkf]

4. You are denying they had BOLO lists with "tea party" on it?

That may not have come from the White House or DC, but it came from somewhere.

And if it was at a low level that exactly proves the point that you can go astray.

[DevonRex]

5. You Better Believe It. From Hardball, Elijah Cummings.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/18/bucking-issa-cummings-releases-irs-transcript/

Watch the interview. The conservative Republican said he was doing his JOB, which was to deny tax exempt status to political groups. His JOB. Read it. And don't repeat the Republican talking points again. Full transcript here:

http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5936:first-hand-account-cummings-releases-full-transcript-of-conservative-republican-irs-manager-explaining-genesis-of-tea-party-screening-&catid=3:press-releases&Itemid=49

[dkf]

6. You can't target one political ideology no matter who it comes from.

Democrats targeted occupy. Are you going to excuse that because it comes ostensibly from the left?

[DevonRex]

7. Poor guy. You didn't read the transcripts. LOL. Try harder. nt

[BlueCheese]

3. I think there is a technicality there.

They can't wiretap you without a warrant. But they might listen to you if you talk to someone they reasonably believe to be a foreign person, and they won't need a warrant for that person.