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Emit

(11,213 posts)
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:39 PM Jun 2013

Kickstarter pick-up guide tells men: ‘Pull out your c-ck and put her hand on it’

The online fundraising site Kickstarter came under criticism on Wednesday for giving a platform to a project encouraging men to become “modern alpha males” based on online advice that included putting womens’ hands on their penises.

“It’s designed to be easy to understand, quick to read and full of inspirational advice that gets people out there actually practicing and talking to women,” Hoinsky said in the introductory video for the project posted on Kickstarter.

In the written project description, Hoinsky said that while some of the book’s content will be original, other sections will be taken from “the best material” he posted on Reddit’s “seduction” community, which he described in the video as a sub-site where “a bunch of men who are going through similar issues in their life come and exchange tips and stories and their experience and try to help each other out.”

Those posts include a 9-part series that, as blogger Casey Malone reported contains this advice, since taken down, regarding “physical escalation and sex”:


Decide that you’re going to sit in a position where you can rub her leg and back. Physically pick her up and sit her on your lap. Don’t ask for permission. Be dominant. Force her to rebuff your advances.

Pull out your cock and put her hand on it. Remember, she is letting you do this because you have established yourself as a LEADER. Don’t ask for permission, GRAB HER HAND, and put it right on your dick.


~snip~


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/19/kickstarter-pick-up-guide-tells-men-pull-out-your-c-ck-and-put-her-hand-on-it/




Inspirational advice encouraging men to become modern alpha males vs. promoting rape culture?

This quote is telling: "It’s designed to be easy to understand, quick to read and full of inspirational advice that gets people out there actually practicing and talking to women..."

So women aren't even people to this guy?
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Kickstarter pick-up guide tells men: ‘Pull out your c-ck and put her hand on it’ (Original Post) Emit Jun 2013 OP
Obviously, and any oaf who takes his advice Warpy Jun 2013 #1
Your last sentence nails it. "dating" is only vaguely theoretical to the author stevenleser Jun 2013 #14
"easy to understand, quick to read, and full of advice that will get you thrown in jail". Scuba Jun 2013 #2
Oh, yeah, *that's* gonna work. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2013 #3
Oh lord, this is DUzy worthy all the way through. My fantasy date..Bwahahaha... monmouth3 Jun 2013 #4
Who thinks up this crap, the Axe Body Spray commercial writers? n/t reflection Jun 2013 #5
Follow this advice and... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #6
Yuk.. A guidebook for predatory creeps.. SoCalDem Jun 2013 #7
YES! Will the REAL Alpha Males PLEASE stand up? alp227 Jun 2013 #27
Is this satire? LadyHawkAZ Jun 2013 #8
I don't even follow the mechanics of this Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #11
Jerry Sandusky probably is moving on to his fantasies about women alp227 Jun 2013 #28
Oh baby....I'm aroused just reading about this.... uppityperson Jun 2013 #9
One of my colleagues found a book like this in the seat back of a plane Sen. Walter Sobchak Jun 2013 #10
Reminds me of this excerpt from "Jay and Silent Bob strike Back" ismnotwasm Jun 2013 #12
This is where those sharp nails come in, ladies. Works like a charm. Squinch Jun 2013 #13
Guys, if you've ever wondered what pepper spray feels like LittleBlue Jun 2013 #15
Or if you've ever wondered what it's like to be tazed... Initech Jun 2013 #37
WHAT?! Quantess Jun 2013 #16
the very worst part of this advice is the limited health of the audience... galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #17
That was in a Seinfeld episode. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #18
I've definitely got Seinfeld on the brain Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #19
EVERYTHING is in a Seinfeld episode! arcane1 Jun 2013 #20
You may be on to something Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #22
Haha!! See what I mean?? arcane1 Jun 2013 #23
Seinfeld and The Simpsons both! Initech Jun 2013 #25
Yeah I think I'd prefer not to wind up on any registered sex offender lists. No thanks. Initech Jun 2013 #21
Sounds like a typical pickup manual for the 1% who believe they are the masters of their universe nt Drew Richards Jun 2013 #24
That's disgusting. jessie04 Jun 2013 #26
I'd rather buy a book published by Regnery, Threshold, or one of those right wing wastepaper mills alp227 Jun 2013 #29
Gack. (nt) DirkGently Jun 2013 #30
The worst of it got deleted WovenGems Jun 2013 #31
Hey Baby...Let me grab your hand and place it on my big peni...AAAAHHHHHHHHGGGG BlueJazz Jun 2013 #32
it would be a kickstarter all right-would take quite the doctor to return my balls to their normal dembotoz Jun 2013 #33
Also, grow a 70s porn mustache, chicks dig that! JoePhilly Jun 2013 #34
What. The. Fuck? historylovr Jun 2013 #35
"Nevermind the rash on my hands... Ilsa Jun 2013 #36
As the saying goes mythology Jun 2013 #38
next step arely staircase Jun 2013 #39
Good lord. People believe this bullshit? Dash87 Jun 2013 #40
I know women Spirochete Jun 2013 #41
I'll have to send this to Dave Futrelle over at ManBoobz....he'll want to see this one. n/t AverageJoe90 Jun 2013 #42

Warpy

(111,136 posts)
1. Obviously, and any oaf who takes his advice
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:42 PM
Jun 2013

is opening himself up to a charge of sexual battery at worst and having his dinner dropped in his lap as the woman storms out at best.

This is incredibly bad advice. I think "dating" is only vaguely theoretical to the author.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
14. Your last sentence nails it. "dating" is only vaguely theoretical to the author
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:29 PM
Jun 2013

This is the kind of thing you might say to your worst enemy as some sort of advice in the hopes a couple of dozen women slap them, throw drinks in their faces or dump large bowls of spaghetti and meatballs over their heads.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,584 posts)
3. Oh, yeah, *that's* gonna work.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:44 PM
Jun 2013

Nothing says elegance, charm and savoir-faire like a guy grabbing my hand and putting it on his dick. I would be so impressed with a man who did that on a first date; I'd totally want him if he did that.



Actually, he'd find more than my hand on his dick. Depending on the setting, it would be a lapful of hot coffee, a lapful of hot soup, or a strategic thrust with a fork.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
7. Yuk.. A guidebook for predatory creeps..
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jun 2013

There is a big difference between "alpha-male" & pervert..

alp227

(32,005 posts)
27. YES! Will the REAL Alpha Males PLEASE stand up?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:46 PM
Jun 2013

They're letting the pervs RUIN the term "alpha male", for chrissakes! And most ignorant Americans wonder WHY we need feminism?

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
8. Is this satire?
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:06 PM
Jun 2013

I mean really? Take a body part capable of extremely tight gripping, generally tipped with sharp objects, and stick it on your most sensitive area? Does he have any clue of the possibilities? Because I know what I'm gonna do if someone shoves their dick in my hand without an invite...

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
11. I don't even follow the mechanics of this
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:18 PM
Jun 2013

Since the woman will probably have fled some distance before you're half-way unzipped.

alp227

(32,005 posts)
28. Jerry Sandusky probably is moving on to his fantasies about women
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:48 PM
Jun 2013

now that he's gone to prison for being a pedophile. Chances are he's ghost writing this stupid "book".

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
9. Oh baby....I'm aroused just reading about this....
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:08 PM
Jun 2013
“Even when a girl rejects your advances, she KNOWS that you desire her. That’s hot. It arouses her physically and psychologically.”
 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
10. One of my colleagues found a book like this in the seat back of a plane
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jun 2013

She was laughing herself hoarse as she read through it and passed it across the aisle a couple times with her favorite suggestions, one of which was similar to the above. Another still involved following a woman into the bathroom. She promised me $500 if I would try the flight attendant scenario which probably would have got the flight intercepted by F-16's and me looking like this guy.

ismnotwasm

(41,965 posts)
12. Reminds me of this excerpt from "Jay and Silent Bob strike Back"
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jun 2013

Even Jay figured that wasn't cool, with the help of his badass angel

Oh, definitely NSFW and contains offensive language


Quantess

(27,630 posts)
16. WHAT?!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:39 PM
Jun 2013

"...inspirational advice that gets people out there actually practicing and talking to women..."

I should hope that the man and woman already have gotten to know each other, when this kind of sexual horseplay happens. If not, that's assault.

 

galileoreloaded

(2,571 posts)
17. the very worst part of this advice is the limited health of the audience...
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jun 2013

emotionally stunted males attempting to emulate behaviors that they cant possibly understand based on their limited social skills.

this kind of amateur PUA bullshit is how women really end up in danger. when the "advice" doesn't work because, well all men aren't created equal, the ugly emotional insecurity rears its ugly head when he is rebuffed for his clunky behavior.

bad juju for women everywhere.





Cirque du So-What

(25,908 posts)
19. I've definitely got Seinfeld on the brain
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:02 PM
Jun 2013

because that clip was the first thing I thought of when I read the title of this OP.

Cirque du So-What

(25,908 posts)
22. You may be on to something
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:23 PM
Jun 2013

So many incidents in my life and stories that I read remind me of Seinfeld episodes for it to be mere coincidence. Considering how badly some of those Seinfeld situations turned out, perhaps it's a good strategy to do the OPPOSITE of what the characters do...oh, wait...THAT's an episode too!

Initech

(100,034 posts)
25. Seinfeld and The Simpsons both!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 08:56 PM
Jun 2013

I can pretty much tie anything going on to a Seinfeld or Simpsons clip.

Initech

(100,034 posts)
21. Yeah I think I'd prefer not to wind up on any registered sex offender lists. No thanks.
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 07:11 PM
Jun 2013

And if that's how "real men" think according to that asshole, I'll gladly shred my man card.

alp227

(32,005 posts)
29. I'd rather buy a book published by Regnery, Threshold, or one of those right wing wastepaper mills
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 09:49 PM
Jun 2013

than THIS disgusting, perverted waste of trees that's not even worth cleaning the nether regions.

 

BlueJazz

(25,348 posts)
32. Hey Baby...Let me grab your hand and place it on my big peni...AAAAHHHHHHHHGGGG
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:19 PM
Jun 2013

..AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHGGHHHHHHHHH..not on the ball!!!!!!!...not on the Bal.AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGgGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

dembotoz

(16,785 posts)
33. it would be a kickstarter all right-would take quite the doctor to return my balls to their normal
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jun 2013

place after she had kicked them all the way up to my nostrils....

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
34. Also, grow a 70s porn mustache, chicks dig that!
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 10:32 PM
Jun 2013

And show her your back hair ... so she knows you are one dominant beast!

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
38. As the saying goes
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:39 AM
Jun 2013

a fool and his money are soon parted. I can't believe that people would actually give money to this sort of stupidity.

But this does also violate Kickstarter's code of conduct.

For whatever it's worth, there's a petition to have Kickstarter not send the money funding this tripe:

http://www.dosomething.org/petition/kickstarter

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
40. Good lord. People believe this bullshit?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:44 AM
Jun 2013

The "Alpha Male" does not even actually exist where a quintessential alpha male is supposed to exist: wolf packs. It certainly doesn't apply to human interactions.

Either this is satire, or these people are very dumb.

Also, I would have to ask these people to never use the term "Alpha" again - as in being "Alpha" or "That's so alpha!" It's so douchy and cringe-worthy, especially knowing that it's coming from some nerd-ass, WoW-obsessed, pimple-faced man-child that has girl and misogyny issues.

These tools are as much of pickup artists as I am a rocket scientist.

Spirochete

(5,264 posts)
41. I know women
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 01:34 AM
Jun 2013

who, if someone tried that on them, would show him something he's never seen before - the other end.

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