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FSogol

(45,435 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:45 AM Jun 2013

EPA: U.S. Drinking Water Infrastructure Failing

"The EPA has released results of a survey showing that $384 billion in improvements are needed for the nation’s drinking water infrastructure through 2030 for systems to continue providing safe drinking water to 297 million Americans"

The assessment shows that improvements are primarily needed in:

Distribution and transmission: $247.5 billion to replace or refurbish aging or deteriorating lines
Treatment: $72.5 billion to construct, expand or rehabilitate infrastructure to reduce contamination
Storage: $39.5 billion to construct, rehabilitate or cover finished water storage reservoirs
Source: $20.5 billion to construct or rehabilitate intake structures, wells and spring collectors


Whole article here:
http://www.pollutionengineering.com/articles/88332-epa-us-drinking-water-infrastructure-failing

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EPA: U.S. Drinking Water Infrastructure Failing (Original Post) FSogol Jun 2013 OP
That's okay. We can all buy our water from Nestle. djean111 Jun 2013 #1
Odd phrasing. "the government sure as hell isn't going to pay for clean water." Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #3
$1k per year per person? Is that the privatization number? FSogol Jun 2013 #12
$1000 per person is the current bill for fixing what's wrong with drinking water delivery in the US. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #13
Yes, I want the all infrastructure in this country fixed/upgraded. It is easier to fix before FSogol Jun 2013 #14
I think we're on the same page. About the math: Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #18
Got it. Thanks. n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #20
You sound like you are a bit happy at that prospect. Got much stock in Nestle? kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #17
Are you aware of how drinking water systems are run in this country? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #19
Brawndo... progressoid Jun 2013 #11
if you were a smart company galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #2
What's your solution? Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #4
no solution. i'm just sitting poolside waiting for the crash. teaching my children not galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #5
Great philosophy. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #7
thanks. it hard to watch a system clunk along with parts falling off along the way galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #9
Wasn't there a bunch of HappyMe Jun 2013 #6
Coulda/shoulda been part of the "shovel ready" projects for stimulus money. Buzz Clik Jun 2013 #8
To be fair, there could be more HappyMe Jun 2013 #10
This is quite deliberate. The RW wants us to be forced to purchase bottled water to drink, kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #15
I know. Bottled water is the biggest scam ever. n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #16
Put in a water tank. A decent one. At least 1500 gallon. TheMadMonk Jun 2013 #24
Do you use that for drinking or for watering plants? FSogol Jun 2013 #25
In my 1-BR apartment in Los Angeles?? kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #27
... FirstLight Jun 2013 #21
and bridges, and tunnels, and the electrical grid, and ports, and.... FSogol Jun 2013 #22
All I pay for water is the electricity to run the well pump. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #23
We'll be back to cisterns before we know it Warpy Jun 2013 #26
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. That's okay. We can all buy our water from Nestle.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:49 AM
Jun 2013

I see water privatization in the near future, because the government sure as hell isn't going to pay for clean water. Or other infrastructure, as far as I can tell.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
3. Odd phrasing. "the government sure as hell isn't going to pay for clean water."
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:06 AM
Jun 2013

The federal government should not pay for clean water, and the obligation of states for delivering clean water is limited.

It's your city/municipality that delivers the water and pays for it through your tax dollars. If taxpayers refuse to pay the bill, you can bet that privatization will follow instantly to fill the void.

Currently, the bill for delivering clean water is $1000 for every American. Get ready to pay.

FSogol

(45,435 posts)
12. $1k per year per person? Is that the privatization number?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:38 AM
Jun 2013

My water bill is $150 per quarter for a family of 4 in a single family home. We do conserve water with rainwater harvesting for the garden, limiting grass in our yard, and low flow fixtures, so my bill is probably lower than my neighbors.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
13. $1000 per person is the current bill for fixing what's wrong with drinking water delivery in the US.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:45 AM
Jun 2013

It will probably take 10 years to fix. On average, that will be $100 per quarter for your family.

Public, private. That's the cost. Are you willing to pay that? You may not have a choice.

FSogol

(45,435 posts)
14. Yes, I want the all infrastructure in this country fixed/upgraded. It is easier to fix before
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jun 2013

it fails. Think of the people projects that would employ. The US has become too shortsighted.

Still not getting the math, $1k quarterly would be $250 more each payment. Privatized water companies would be even more expensive since they have share holders to please.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
18. I think we're on the same page. About the math:
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:03 PM
Jun 2013

The total cost from the OP is about $250 billion with about 250 million people. That's $1000 per person. Your household of four means your bill would (on average) be $4000. I suggested it would be spread out over 10 years or 40 quarters, or $100 per quarter for you. Not worth a lot of debate -- it's all speculative.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
19. Are you aware of how drinking water systems are run in this country?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 12:05 PM
Jun 2013

Is it your impression that it's 100% government owned and operated?

 

galileoreloaded

(2,571 posts)
2. if you were a smart company
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:01 AM
Jun 2013

you would enter into public-private partnerships, fund the repairs, and take equity in the entire system.

oh wait, thats exactly what they are going to do because we will let them....

 

galileoreloaded

(2,571 posts)
5. no solution. i'm just sitting poolside waiting for the crash. teaching my children not
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:09 AM
Jun 2013

to be servants and how to exist post-Pax Americana.

 

galileoreloaded

(2,571 posts)
9. thanks. it hard to watch a system clunk along with parts falling off along the way
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:21 AM
Jun 2013

so all i can do is keep donating to orgs that actually help people cope.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
6. Wasn't there a bunch of
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:17 AM
Jun 2013

infrastructure jobs and money in the long ago deceased jobs bill.

They have been working on the water mains here for a couple of summers now. It's by no means a wide spread project though.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
8. Coulda/shoulda been part of the "shovel ready" projects for stimulus money.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:19 AM
Jun 2013

It was in my city, and miles and miles of water lines replaced.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
10. To be fair, there could be more
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:24 AM
Jun 2013

work going on here. I don't venture off to do an all points tour of the city here regularly.

The water here is pretty damn good. I don't bother buying bottled water.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
15. This is quite deliberate. The RW wants us to be forced to purchase bottled water to drink,
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:52 AM
Jun 2013

at prices set by greedy corporations for maximum profit.

 

TheMadMonk

(6,187 posts)
24. Put in a water tank. A decent one. At least 1500 gallon.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:29 PM
Jun 2013

Best is as big as you can afford and fit.

Use a sump pump in a barrel to expand your options for tank placement.

2/3 of the rain falling on my home is pumped 70m to a 22500l (5500 gallon) tank down behind my modest little shed.

FSogol

(45,435 posts)
25. Do you use that for drinking or for watering plants?
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:22 PM
Jun 2013

If for drinking, do you have UV and bag filters?

FirstLight

(13,355 posts)
21. ...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 03:51 PM
Jun 2013

..isn't this like the POWER and HIGHWAY infrastructure we need fixed?

ya, I feel confident that is gonna happen soon...

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
23. All I pay for water is the electricity to run the well pump.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:01 PM
Jun 2013

The water tastes much better than "city" water.

Warpy

(111,121 posts)
26. We'll be back to cisterns before we know it
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:43 PM
Jun 2013

with osmotic purification systems for the rich, boiling and filtering for the rest of us.

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