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limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:29 PM Jun 2013

Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S.

Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S.
WASHINGTON — Even before a former U.S. intelligence contractor exposed the secret collection of Americans’ phone records, the Obama administration was pressing a government-wide crackdown on security threats that requires federal employees to keep closer tabs on their co-workers and exhorts managers to punish those who fail to report their suspicions.

President Barack Obama’s unprecedented initiative, known as the Insider Threat Program, is sweeping in its reach. It has received scant public attention even though it extends beyond the U.S. national security bureaucracies to most federal departments and agencies nationwide, including the Peace Corps, the Social Security Administration and the Education and Agriculture departments. It emphasizes leaks of classified material, but catchall definitions of “insider threat” give agencies latitude to pursue and penalize a range of other conduct.

Government documents reviewed by McClatchy illustrate how some agencies are using that latitude to pursue unauthorized disclosures of any information, not just classified material. They also show how millions of federal employees and contractors must watch for “high-risk persons or behaviors” among co-workers and could face penalties, including criminal charges, for failing to report them. Leaks to the media are equated with espionage.

“Hammer this fact home . . . leaking is tantamount to aiding the enemies of the United States,” says a June 1, 2012, Defense Department strategy for the program that was obtained by McClatchy.
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Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194513/obamas-crackdown-views-leaks-as.html

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Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S. (Original Post) limpyhobbler Jun 2013 OP
My, we have truly gone down the rabbit hole nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #1
Maybe Obama will set up his own Plumbers Unit, eh? Operation Gemstone v. 2.0 - nt HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #12
What should frighten people is a version of nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #13
Oh, Gemstone (v. 1.0) had its moments too, including still-born plans to HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #14
Yeah, but Battalion 100, a product of the 1980s nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #24
While we're hunting all enemies of the US Phlem Jun 2013 #2
Jesus, wasn't it Nixon who was a paranoid asshole, wanting to spy on everyone quinnox Jun 2013 #3
Getting? From Frank Zappa nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #7
And we're almost there..... daleanime Jun 2013 #31
There does seem to be a paranoid streak in the current government. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #15
This is so unsettling... Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #35
Maybe we could pass a law that ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #4
I am not laughing, that is coming nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6
?? ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #9
What do you think they teach the kids in the DARE classes? Fumesucker Jun 2013 #51
Seriously? ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #53
They've been doing that since at least the late 80's when my kid was in grammar school Fumesucker Jun 2013 #54
Wow. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #55
Just remember, children were taught to turn in their parents in the Soviet Union Fumesucker Jun 2013 #56
I remember the ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #57
utterly sickening. cali Jun 2013 #5
Meanwhile we're arming real enemies of the US in the Middle East Catherina Jun 2013 #8
It's purely a business diecision zeemike Jun 2013 #30
This is true Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #36
Ah - Transparency montanacowboy Jun 2013 #10
Jeebus. warrprayer Jun 2013 #11
all of these so called 'scandals' are played up by GOP opperatives karmalk Jun 2013 #16
Thanks for the info! I will look into that. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #17
Once you realize that almost half the states have privatized their prison truedelphi Jun 2013 #18
And Snowden's disclosure will only cause this administration to be even more heavy handed Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #19
Ya guy works on contract for the NSA for 15 months, has a GED Rex Jun 2013 #20
I'd be running scared too RobertEarl Jun 2013 #21
You always hated Obama! 99Forever Jun 2013 #22
Didn't The NAZI's Use This Tactic ??? WillyT Jun 2013 #23
His Atty. General views a wheelchair-bound granny smoking a joint as an enemy of the state. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #25
Why is this ProSense Jun 2013 #26
Probably McClatchy News service is motivated by racism, bigotry, hatred and envy. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #28
No, that's not it. Maybe it's ProSense Jun 2013 #29
You are busier than a one-armed shortstop. pscot Jun 2013 #32
I'm having fun. ProSense Jun 2013 #37
Always pscot Jun 2013 #38
Nah, ProSense Jun 2013 #40
Outsourcing proves the reason is otherwise. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #27
And shows the merger of government and the corporation zeemike Jun 2013 #33
That is not the definition of fascism Progressive dog Jun 2013 #34
I was referring to the original version... zeemike Jun 2013 #48
OMG! One of the scariest articles I've ever read. This is not the snappyturtle Jun 2013 #39
But, but people objected when I call this country a dictablanda. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #41
Well, don't count me as one of those people. I have been snappyturtle Jun 2013 #42
I know. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #43
Nothing new here... Cromwell Jun 2013 #44
This is fucking crazy. blackspade Jun 2013 #45
No, not really. Cromwell Jun 2013 #46
Yes dear, we have. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #47
LOL - you have what? Cromwell Jun 2013 #49
This is not going to end well. Blue_In_AK Jun 2013 #50
So who are enemies of the state now? backscatter712 Jun 2013 #52
Sorry that's Top Secret info you're asking for there. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #58
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #59
thats f'd up BOG PERSON Jun 2013 #60
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
1. My, we have truly gone down the rabbit hole
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:33 PM
Jun 2013
Leaks to the media are equated with espionage.

There was a time, we will get here soon, where reporters were simply eliminated. Those are not cute chicks either.

Go ahead, call me paranoid... go ahead, for all I care (not directed to the OP) We have crossed some very dangerous ground this past decade.

Soon, (well we are pretty much there) watching the news is only for the rubes. I think I need to find new background noise.
 

HardTimes99

(2,049 posts)
14. Oh, Gemstone (v. 1.0) had its moments too, including still-born plans to
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:54 PM
Jun 2013

assassinate or otherwise incapacitate Daniel Ellsberg. Even that squid John Mitchell couldn't contain his exasperation when G. Gordon Liddy briefed him on plans for Gemstone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gemstone

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
24. Yeah, but Battalion 100, a product of the 1980s
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:38 PM
Jun 2013

and Negroponte, actually became operational and did kill thousands, it is thought. Some of them reporters. In fact, to this day being a reporter in Central America might find you suicided.

Version 2.0 will include that. We have now dug so deep down the damn rabbit hole that fully grown frakesteins are coming home to roost.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
2. While we're hunting all enemies of the US
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:36 PM
Jun 2013

Seems that congress is doing better job than the Taliban these days.

-p

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
3. Jesus, wasn't it Nixon who was a paranoid asshole, wanting to spy on everyone
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:37 PM
Jun 2013

and thinking he had enemies all over the place? This shit is getting surreal.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
7. Getting? From Frank Zappa
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:43 PM
Jun 2013

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
15. There does seem to be a paranoid streak in the current government.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:15 PM
Jun 2013

Not surprising considering some of the scandalous shit they've been keeping secret.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
51. What do you think they teach the kids in the DARE classes?
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:15 AM
Jun 2013

Turn in your parents if you think they're using drugs, we only want them to get the help they need.


ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
53. Seriously?
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:46 AM
Jun 2013

They teach kids that crap in DARE classes?

They already have neighborhood spies called Neighborhood Watches.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
54. They've been doing that since at least the late 80's when my kid was in grammar school
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:08 AM
Jun 2013

I can't imagine it's gotten any better in the meantime.

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
55. Wow.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:10 AM
Jun 2013

I don't have children so I have a big gap in my knowledge of what kids are taught.

Thanks for the info.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
56. Just remember, children were taught to turn in their parents in the Soviet Union
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:16 AM
Jun 2013

When I was in grammar school turning in your parents was presented to us as a bad thing that those Pinko Commies taught their kids to do.

One generation was all it took for our society to do a complete 180 on kids dropping the dime on their parents.



ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
57. I remember the
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 01:20 AM
Jun 2013

thing about turning in parents in the Soviet Union.

Things certainly have changed. Having been raised in a small southern town, I was raised to mind my own business and to NEVER talk about family and personal stuff outside of the family. It went too far in the opposite direction as I knew a number of my peers who were suffering from child abuse.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
8. Meanwhile we're arming real enemies of the US in the Middle East
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 06:44 PM
Jun 2013

Please explain to me how that one works. Rec'd

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
30. It's purely a business diecision
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:26 PM
Jun 2013

You can't make any money in the war business unless you have a war and blow things up...and no armed enemy no war.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
36. This is true
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 08:59 PM
Jun 2013

the War or Terror scheme was running out of steam so they needed to fuel the flame once more.

 

karmalk

(61 posts)
16. all of these so called 'scandals' are played up by GOP opperatives
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:21 PM
Jun 2013

if you got to the bottom of it, that's what you would find, IMO

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
18. Once you realize that almost half the states have privatized their prison
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:25 PM
Jun 2013

System, and in many cases signed contracts that they will keep those prisons filled to 98% capacity, then it stands to reason that somebody has to be put behind bars.

Might as well be us keyboard warriors. I mean, this Administration is certainly not gonna go after the Bankers or other Folks that actually are the criminals.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
19. And Snowden's disclosure will only cause this administration to be even more heavy handed
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:26 PM
Jun 2013

when it comes to leaks.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
20. Ya guy works on contract for the NSA for 15 months, has a GED
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:28 PM
Jun 2013

and nothing else and just happens to get buy without anyone noticing. I still don't buy that one. It is funny that they think we can be fooled into thinking it is about national security. NO, it is more like national embarrassment.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
21. I'd be running scared too
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jun 2013

Knowing that the NSA has been tapping everyone's phones and emails, the ONLY way to put any kind of lid on it is to cover the whole govt.

There is no telling what Cheney has on everyone in the Obama administration.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
25. His Atty. General views a wheelchair-bound granny smoking a joint as an enemy of the state.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:40 PM
Jun 2013

So, surprised? No.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
26. Why is this
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:47 PM
Jun 2013

"Obama’s crackdown views leaks as aiding enemies of U.S. "

...being reported as if it's a secret or as if the documents aren't widely available?

In a separate piece, McClatchy printed the two agencies' responses.

Questions and answers from the government on the 'insider threat program'
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194535/questions-and-answers-from-the.html

Here is the DoD directive: https://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/dod/d5240_06.pdf

The piece pertains to the following Executive Order:

Executive Order 13587 -- Structural Reforms to Improve the Security of Classified Networks and the Responsible Sharing and Safeguarding of Classified Information
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/10/07/executive-order-structural-reforms-improve-security-classified-networks-

From the OP article:

There are, however, signs of problems with the program. Even though it severely restricts the use of removable storage devices on classified networks, Snowden, the former NSA contractor who revealed the agency’s telephone data collection operations, used a thumb drive to acquire the documents he leaked to two newspapers.

“Nothing that’s been done in the past two years stopped Snowden, and so that fact alone casts a shadow over this whole endeavor,” said Steven Aftergood, director of the non-profit Federation of American Scientists’ Project on Government Secrecy. “Whatever they’ve done is apparently inadequate.”

Yeah, it isn't working, and the fact that outside contractors are in the mix likely has a lot to do with it.


limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
28. Probably McClatchy News service is motivated by racism, bigotry, hatred and envy.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 07:59 PM
Jun 2013

that's the only reason I can think of.

Anyways there's nothing in the story that implies the "Insider Threat Program" is a secret program.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
38. Always
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:05 PM
Jun 2013

I hope you aren't taking all the crap personally. Everyone seems a little overwrought right now.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
40. Nah,
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:26 PM
Jun 2013

"I hope you aren't taking all the crap personally. Everyone seems a little overwrought right now."

...I love a good debate. Optimism and laughter works.



zeemike

(18,998 posts)
48. I was referring to the original version...
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:25 PM
Jun 2013

"Similarly, fascism as an ideology is also hard to define. Originally, "fascism" referred to a political movement that was linked with Corporatism that existed in a single country (Italy) for less than 30 years and ruled the country from 1922 to 1943 under the leadership of Benito Mussolini."

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
39. OMG! One of the scariest articles I've ever read. This is not the
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:19 PM
Jun 2013

America I grew up in. Here's a tidbit:


Employees must turn themselves and others in for failing to report breaches. “Penalize clearly identifiable failures to report security infractions and violations, including any lack of self-reporting,” the strategic plan says.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/20/194513/obamas-crackdown-views-leaks-as.html#storylink=cpy
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
41. But, but people objected when I call this country a dictablanda.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:37 PM
Jun 2013

We are quickly crossing to full blown dictadura. (Dictartorhip)

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
42. Well, don't count me as one of those people. I have been
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 09:51 PM
Jun 2013

worried since the original Patriot Act was spawned within what seemed like milliseconds of the attack on 9/11. This is very bad.

Cromwell

(8 posts)
46. No, not really.
Thu Jun 20, 2013, 10:13 PM
Jun 2013

Consider the cases at the link I provided above - they range all the way from employees of trading companies taking information out to 'favored' clients (insider trading) to DoD 'leaks' to foreign governments (do we want the Chinese to know the vulnerabilities of an F-32?). Let's just pause and think for a moment, before responding with panic; if you work for a large corporation, you've probably been 'scanned' already - the computer at work is not your property, and you should have no expectation of 'privacy' on a company computer.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
50. This is not going to end well.
Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:10 AM
Jun 2013

How can you whistle blow through proper channels if it's the " proper channels" you're blowing the whistle on?

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