An amazing video detailing the murder of Trayvon Martin

[Sheldon Cooper]

This video is long (46 minutes) and I didn't have time to watch all of it, but it's fascinating. It's an attempt to detail the event, using 911 calls, surveillance cameras, and etc. in real time, and with a map that shows the apartment complex with locations of all important people and events as they played out. It's the most comprehensive account that I've seen. I apologize if it's been posted before.

The Murder of Trayvon Martin, At The Hands of George Zimmerman

A compilation and interpretation of concrete video and audio evidence from the shooting death of Trayvon Martin on February 26, 2012 in Sanford, FL. Security camera footage from The Retreat at Twin Lakes clubhouse is synched to George Zimmerman’s 311 call, and to selections of the 911 calls reporting the shooting. After an introductory set-up, the video proceeds in real time. Animated maps are provided to illustrate the movement of George Zimmerman’s truck and the arrival of the police, as revealed by the “light events” in the security footage, and the comments of the 911 callers.

This evidence combines to establish that George Zimmerman was untruthful in a variety of his statements to the police regarding the shooting.

There is a long stretch of the video where not much happens. it is left unedited to preserve real time both a) for evidenciary purposes - it establishes that traffic inside RATL was minimal that evening other than Zimmerman’s driving around, and I didn’t want to be accused of editing anything out, and b) I want to provide viewers the opportunity to feel just how long Trayvon Martin was standing under the mailbox awning before Zimmerman showed up, to understand just far fetched some of Zimmerman’s claims are in terms of the passage of time. http://thepoliticalfreakshow.us/post/53480177022/the-murder-of-trayvon-martin-at-the-hands-of

[Little Star]

1. Bookmarking to watch later. Thanks. n/t

[sinkingfeeling]

2. Ditto.

[grok]

3. this confirms my theory

even though i think that was not the intent of the video. that the confrontation was almost exactly where zimmerman was when he was asked not to follow martin. only 15 to 20 seconds away from his car, not 4 minutes,when if he would have continued following trayvon all the way to his dad's house. and that's all we can conclude from this video.

the video claims that zimmerman continued searching for trayvon all this time but obviously didn't get very far.

this is roughly at the 30 minute point of the video.

i see 3 different scenarios....

1. zimmerman continues following trayvon, loses him, and starts walking back to his truck. trayvon follows him back. confrontation occurs.

2. zimmerman stops and stays where he is. trayvon comes back to where he last saw zimmerman, confrontation occurs.

3.zimmernan stops, loses sight of trayvon, goes around the other building to get the address, and. comes past the point where he stopped earlier on the way back to his truck. this is what zimmerman claims. trayvon either comes back to this point for some reason after having lost zimmerman, or he was in hiding all the time in one of the nitches of the building there. confrontation occurs.

anybody else have a different scenario that matches this timeline?
who was stalking who at the end?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

4. Why would Trayvon double back?

If you are being chased or followed by a strange person for no apparent reason, and then lose him, why would you then voluntarily place yourself back in the zone of danger?

This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. None of your theories make sense.

Also, why did Zimmerman tell dispatch to have police call him instead of meeting him at his car? He first says to meet them at his car, but then changes his mind and tells dispatch to have police call him instead? Don't you think that indicates that Zimmerman wasn't interested in returning to his car as he claims to have been?

[noiretextatique]

5. those theories only makes sense

if you are bending over backwards to buy zimmerman's story. otherwise, you are correct: none of the poster's theories make any sense.

[grok]

7. We can assume zimmerman is lying. no problemo

it doesn't require zimmerman being truthful at all.

we KNOW when zimmerman got out of his car.(door chimes)
we KNOW how long it took for him to be told he shouldn't follow. (dispatcher voice) 15-20 seconds
we KNOW how long it would take zimmerman to get to where the fight was from his truck 15-20 seconds
we KNOW what time the fight occurred (4 minutes later)

any of these points in dispute?

if not, what is your likely scenario that MATCHES these facts?

[grok]

6. so you u are claiming it took 4 minutes to chase trayvon at most 20 feet?

first question. remember we are talking about a big city teenager. not everything they do makes sense. testosterone, libido,pride,lack of good sense... you are right it DOESN'T make good sense! I am not claiming trayvon had some.

second question. Entering the gated community there is more than one way to turn left. Zimmerman was making a absolute disaster of explaining where he was. He obviously wanted to keep an eye on where he last lost track of trayvon but still steer the police to where he was.

third question: too much time had passed to keep an eye out. it was pointless to stick around anymore.

question for you... where do YOU think trayvon was all this time? the missing 4 minutes? why didn't he get very far either?

why do you think the conforntation happened so close to zimmerman's truck instead of trayvon's house?

[Sheldon Cooper]

8. "remember we are talking about a big city teenager. not everything they do makes sense"

Wow.

[grok]

9. If you always made sense as a teenager you were exceptional.

[Sheldon Cooper]

10. Sure, but you were the one that advised us to remember that Trayvon was a

"big city teenager". You added the qualifier, I didn't.

[grok]

11. just added that for drama

but it is true. big city or not....

[Sheldon Cooper]

12. So, you're stirring up racial shit?

Noted.

[Lurks Often]

13. Actually you seem to be the one bring to race into the argument

How exactly does "big city teenager" automatically mean a minority?

[Tommy_Carcetti]

14. Mr. Lee Atwater, everybody.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/uncovered-last-lee-atwaters-infamous

You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nigger, nigger.”

[Lurks Often]

15. Yawn. That the best you can do? n/t

[Tommy_Carcetti]

26. If the shoe fits....nt

[Lurks Often]

38. Not in the slightest n/t

[Sheldon Cooper]

20. Exactly.

Good to see that someone here gets that. Calling him a big city teenager - how could anyone possibly think he meant a black teenager???

[grok]

18. It happens when they can't refute your points

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After one had answered theirs Have little left to fall back on. It's expected for some to take the easy way out.

J'accuse! (Emile Zola)

just for fun big city teenagers(west side story). btw, i am on both sides...

[LanternWaste]

35. Do you think it happens less or more than low-count posters

:It happens when they can't refute your points..."

Do you think it happens less or more than low-count posters who pop up on every Zimmerman thread making less-than-clever implications?

I'd say it happens much less.

[Rex]

16. So everything an adult does, makes sense?

You really have no argument here and that just makes it more obvious.

[Sheldon Cooper]

17. lol

[Rex]

19. Sorry, I am not making sense now.

Dollars or cents.

[grok]

21. I wasn't the one to claim Trayvon had to be sensible..

Somebody else did.

[Rex]

22. No you said he could have been unpredictable

which is your way of making facts out of whole cloth. But I expect such weak tactics from Zimmerman defenders. They have no argument and the longer they debate, the weaker they look. Keep it up, I am sure you are not done yet embarrassing yourself.

[grok]

23. fine. which of the facts i stated are in dispute?

btw, i never said unpredictable. And i didn't claim my scenarios where the only ones that fit the facts, and was open to hear others.

iill copy and paste the facts here again. go ahead and refute... They are based on the court evidence AND this video.

And if you can't, it's very telling..


it doesn't require zimmerman being truthful at all.

we KNOW when zimmerman got out of his car.(door chimes)
we KNOW how long it took for him to be told he shouldn't follow. (dispatcher voice) 15-20 seconds
we KNOW how long it would take zimmerman to get to where the fight was from his truck 15-20 seconds
we KNOW what time the fight occurred (4 minutes later)

[noiretextatique]

28. i know zimmerman apologists, like yourself

continue to try to blame martin for his death when we know zimmerman had a gun, and was told to stand down.

[JustAnotherGen]

31. Plus 1 and

Let's not forget - this poster is not the Prosecutor.

The Prosecutor and Police have far more knowledge than this poster does. So why don't we wait and see how the case plays out.

[Just Saying]

29. The problem is you don't know the path Zimmerman took trying to find Trayvon.

You're assuming he walked straight to where the fight took place but there's no proof of that. He was walking around looking for Trayvon so who knows where he wandered in 4 minutes?

Did you watch the video? Granted its just a theory and I don't know what Zimmerman's current story is but it shows he walked all the way to the next street and then back to the sidewalk behind the houses. It's as good a theory as any.

What we know for sure is that Zimmerman was looking for Trayvon. There's nothing but speculation to say Trayvon came back looking for him.

[grok]

41. True I don't know the path

He could have been double timing in place. he could have been chasing his tail. he could have been running in circles. he could have stood still checking his facebook page on his phone.

All we know for sure is that the fight started mere seconds from his truck. not minutes. That suggests he didn't get very far in his mad mad chase for trayvon.

I really don't think trayvon came back, just that it's a possiblility.that can't completely be dismissed.


As far as what zimmerman's story is now, i only have the basics. Not sure we should rely on it anyway.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. Do you work

For the Prosecution? Should you be giving the case away like this?

[noiretextatique]

40. this poster has the same argument as every zimmerman apologist

martin HAD to be the aggressor because he's a BLACK "big city kid." never mind that zimmerman was armed and following him...

[noiretextatique]

27. um, yeah

so fng obvious it is not worth talking to this person.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

24. "Big city teenager" talk aside....

Think about it for a second. You allege that Trayvon was the aggressor and Zimmerman was the one acting out of fear. It's not too hard to draw reasonable inferences here. Let's look at Person A and Person B.

Person A: Walking back from the store where he bought snacks. He's in a neighborhood that not actually his own home neighborhood and that he's not completely familiar with. Other than the family that he's staying with, he doesn't know anyone in the neighborhood. He hasn't actually done anything that could be considered criminal activity. He sees a car slowly follow him as he's walking back. Then he sees the driver get out of the car and start to chase him. He has no idea who this person is or why he would be chasing him.

Person B: Lived in the neighborhood for several years. Appointed himself neighborhood watchman of the area. Has a CCW. Repeatedly made calls to police about various activity in the neighborhood, some of which was criminal, some of which wasn't. Sees Person A. Doesn't actually witness Person A do anything that could be construed criminal, but still calls the police. Tells dispatch that Person A is "up to no good" and "looks like he's on drugs" based solely on the way that he is walking (putting aside for a minute Person A's demographics and how that might playing into profiling, just to give Person B the benefit of the doubt.) He knows police are on the way; he called them. He still decides to get out of the car, armed with a gun. As he gets out of the car, he says, "These assholes, they always get away' and "fucking punks" (again, benefit of the doubt there.) When dispatch asks if he is following Person A, he says yes. Dispatch tells him he shouldn't. Tells dispatch to have police call him instead of meeting him at his car.

These are all pretty much indisputable facts in evidence, leaving out areas where it is more speculative.

Now, you tell me , based on those two profiles, who is more logically likely to be the aggressor, Person A or Person B? Be honest.

You can talk about "testosterone" "libido", "pride" and "lack of good sense" all you like. Perhaps if Zimmerman and Martin both lived in the same neighborhood and had some prior beef with one another, and Zimmerman started chasing him one night and lost him, then it might make sense that Trayvon doubled back to start a fight. But these two were total strangers. Trayvon had no idea whatsoever who Zimmerman was, why he was chasing him, or what his intentions were. Unless Trayvon Martin was just a raving lunatic prone to attacking strangers (no evidence of that being the case), it would make no sense for him to double back and attack his pursuer after having lost him. None. Testosterone can't explain that basic common sense away.

Regarding your question, even before I saw this video I believe it was quite possible that, after having lost Zimmerman, Trayvon may have hid out for a couple of minutes, just to make sure the coast was clear before continuing to head home. It would make sense to wait a minute or two before re-exposing yourself out in the open, where you had just been chased.

This is all classic flight or fight psychology, basically innate to the human sense regardless of who you are. Whether you are a grown adult, or, in your words, a "big city teenager."

[grok]

33. If all i heard was your initial A-B, comparision, with nothng else

of course, Zimmerman would be the more likely aggressor. However, you included PAST data on Zimmerman, and excluded PAST data on Trayvon.. When both are included, the view becomes more murky. Who most recently claimed to have been involved in violence(by his own words) for example?

Much of the problem with this case what evidence one wants to keep and what evidence you want to discard to fit ones perception.

The jails are full of people that claimed "couldn't have been me, it doesn't make sense" Well, this tragedy happened because one or two people did something that "didn't make sense"

I kind of like your second to last paragraph actually. i think it makes the most "sense" and it fits my data. That trayvon hid out, waited a couple minutes for the coast to be clear and came out just as Zimmerman was going back to his car. Either could have been the aggressor. Bad timing.

Who was the aggressor, well i have my opinion, but that i can't prove and am willing to admit that.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

34. The only past data I included was to set up the respective roles the indivduals played that night

I.e. armed neighborhood watchman versus unarmed pedestrian. Which is what it boils down to in the end.

Had I really wished to include past data on Zimmerman, I would have included the fact that he was arrested in 2005 for assaulting a police officer, that he had a restraining order taken out on him by a former girlfriend, and that he was accused of bullying a co-worker based on his ethnicity.

But that's all inadmissible character evidence and outside what is to be considered at court. That Zimmerman had instances of past violent or threatening behavior cannot be used against him as evidence of a later crime unless it is shown as a) evidence of a greater scheme by the defendant, or b) evidence of a specific, strict pattern of behavior. Neither of those exceptions apply.


That goes both ways, as Trayvon's past drug use and school history is equally irrelevant and inadmissible.

[grok]

39. for court purposes I agree the data should be limited

to the bare minimum. for arguing here, well anything goes with me, as long as it is fact based.. We are not jurors.

[noiretextatique]

36. one person did many things that didn't make sense, and people like you keep trying to excuse him

the other person was simply walking home from the store...armed with ice tea and skittles. following someone who you think "looks suspicious" is not sensisble, nor is having a gun in your car pretending to be the neighborhood cop. stalking someone you think is "suspicious" because of his age and race is not sensible either. nor is getting out of the car to confront said individual when the police already told your dumb ass to stay in the car. finally, killing an unarmed teenager because you think he doesn't belong in your neighborhood is not sensible either, whether or not that person was from a big city or not. zimmerman was clearly the aggressor, unless you believe all black males are inherent dangerous, which would not surprise me at all. in a sane country, zimmerman would have been charged with first degree murder. i pray he gets convicted on the lesser charge...he most certainly deserves it.

[noiretextatique]

37. of course he was the aggressor: he was BLACK

typical of zimmerman apologists: they always try to blame the victim. in this case, his only crime was walking while black, and perhaps having the temerity to defend himself against an older, larger, armed man who he didn't know from adam. funny how these people think any black kid should "submit" to some random asshole's "suspicisions" about him....for all martin knew, that freak could have been a serial killer looking for his next victim. i meant sick, not funny

[grok]

43. Stop "profiling"

it's unbecoming...

[noiretextatique]

44. that's what your pal zimmerman did

no matter how many excuses you make for him. he saw a young black man and assumed he was "suspicious." then he stalked and murdered him. it's unbecoming to bend over backwards defending a racially-motivated murderer. and weren't you the one who used the "big city kid" meme? probably has nothing to do with his race

[JustAnotherGen]

30. Yep

Whichever one the prosecution presents against this thug.

[Soundman]

42. Wow, long video. I tend to agree with

Grok. All I have known about this case until i watched the video has been message board Talk. I learned quite a bit from the video, even if it was done to portray Trevon as innocent.

I am now officially intrigued. Here are my thoughts, observation and questions, in no particular order.

What is "it" that "they" always get away with? Toilet paper in the pool? or robbery? Cutting through the complex regularly?

I believe if Zimmerman wanted a conflict he had an early opportunity for it. He could have told the dispatcher that Trevon was coming at him, and said oh no, no, no. Hung up his phone and proceeded to mow Trevon down (in self defense).

Why didn't Trevon acknowledge Zimmerman after he drove by him and was looking at him funny? I live in backwoods USA, eye contact and a wave is first contact around here.

I am skeptical of the girlfriends story it just doesn't add up. Far too many episodes of the first 48 have shown me how convincingly people lie Using an element of the truth. What I heard was a story where Trevon confronted Zimmerman. Saying he wasn't running any more and seemed to approach Zimmermanm calling him an old man. Not exactly the words of a nice little skittle eating teen ager out for stroll in the rain in my opinion. Here in backwater USA those are pretty much fighting words.

Her story also falls kinda flat about the blank spot after Trevon out ran Zimmerman. What did Trevon do after out running him? I thought she said he was almost at his dads, seriously, how long would that take? 30 seconds maybe? My best guess? Martin doubled back and confronted Zimmerman, probably trying to look bad ass to his girlfriend. Or maybe didn't want to go inside yet and didn't see Zimmerman until he turned a corner. At that time he was out of options and handled the situation poorly. Was it still raining at this point? He used the word old man, again not a word used to describe a person you see as threat.

I have heard plenty of men scream like children/girls when fighting. Kinda weird actually. You wouldn't think a grown man would sound like that, but some do, so can some teenagers as well.

I am going to go read what Zimmerman said happened and see where the discrepancies are in his story.

So far based on the video it seems to me this case is the perfect shit storm of dumb ass behavior by two people. One ended up dead, and the other is scarred for life.

At this point i would say If Zimmerman is guilty of a crime, and I say if, it seems to be nothing more than involuntary manslaughter. I am basing this on what I have seen on the video. I am keeping an open mind until I learn more though.

[noiretextatique]

45. yawn...of course you agree with grok

even though the video does not support your conclusion. why on earth would martin "acknowledge" a loser nobody like zimmerman? how would martin know this idioit considered himself some cop wannabe? he had no reason on earth to give that idiot the time of day. and again...it was stupid behavior on zimmerman's part, not martin's. zimmerman followed him, zimmerman had the gun...and zimmerman killed him. martin was just walking home from the store. you can tell the rest of your zombie horde this: no matter how many of you come here trying to sound reasonable and impartial: you are not fooling anyone. you may as well uncloak with the rest of them on yahoo or any number of sites where you don't have to pretend

[HangOnKids]

46. ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ n/t

[Soundman]

47. Actually I am ready to double down.

I feel sorry for you if you believe anything you posted. I am also sorry that you are blinded by whatever it is that blinds you. I would take offense that you want to label me something, but aren't quite brave enough to come out and say it, but I have found that to be the norm among those like yourself.

Anyway, the video actually confirms most of Zimmerman's story. I watched his video walk through, read his statement and read the entire wiki page. So I am as much an expert as anyone here.

I am going to double down and say I can't believe this thing is even going to trial.

I guess an eye witness that confirms Zimmerman's story isn't good enough for you? That's what the wiki page says, have you read it? Didn't think so. You should, while your at it look at the Picture of Zimmerman's nose? If that nose isn't broke I will kiss your ass on the square at high noon. Again matches right up with the sucker punch to the face story.

They had over 400 hundred police calls to the complex the previous year. 8 from Zimmerman. Again not displaying a wanna be cop attitude to me.

I am reading between the lines here but I gather the flock believes Zimmerman is some kind of racist too? I wonder why he would choose to buy a home in a racially diverse complex then? But I guess in make believe land you can bend anything to conform to your wishes.

I guess you don't find it odd that Travon ran away according to his girlfriend. Yet he was shot almost right where Zimmerman should have been. Travon was 70 yards from his dads back door when he was shot. An easy run for a 17 year old who is 5-11 and 155 pounds. Do you think the 5-7 200 pound Zimmerman was giving him a run for the money? Really?

I noticed you didn't offer up ANY evidence to back up your tirade, just the tearing down of Zimmerman by projecting your narrow point of view upon him.

I guess I might ask you to answer a few questions about Martin since you are abundantly sure he was as innocent as a dove.

Why did his mom throw him out?

Why did he have a screw driver in his locker?

Why did he have woman's jewelry in his locker?

How many times were you suspended in school?

How many times was Trevon suspended?

Those things don't make him guilty of anything, but I believe you have to be blind to think of him as an angel that was just walking home. From the pictures he looked like a sweet kid. In his heart he probably was. I just think he made a bad decision. Actually several bad decisions.

I guess you can't allow yourself to look at the map, listen to the phone call, see where Travon was shot, and not ask your self how did he end up all the way back here? If you can't then you really need to have some serious introspection. Of course the speculation of the video denies logic.

I still have an open mind, but I have looked at everything I can find. I am certainly willing to look at anything you have to offer. But until someone can present me with some evidence that isn't solely based on Zimmerman was a bad guy I don't know what else to think.

I am sure I have more thinly veiled insults coming my way but that is ok, as I said earlier seems to be the norm among a certain elements here. I am glad that you are such a good mind reader though, at least you have a second career available if thing ever go south for you.

BTW, I am against ccw all the way. This is the kinda shit that happens. Oh well... Obviously nobody gives a rats ass what I think.

[noiretextatique]

48. why on earth would you feel sorry for me?

when you are the one attempting to put the victim of this heinous crime on trial? what is the logic or fairness is believing this kid deserved to die because he was black? there is no evidence that martin was doing anything other than walking home from the store with iced teas and skittles...i don't give a flying fuck how many tiime he was suspended. and yeah...people who think it's perfectly fine to profiile, stalk and shoot a kid just because of his skin color tend to be racist assholes, just like zimmerman. and yeah... i am pretty sure that is what colors your view of this case, because if the kid was white and zimmerman was black, i think you and your gun nut friends would be arguing that the shooter was wrong and the victim was innocent. i believe for one minute that you'd buy zimmerman's bullshit story if he was black and the victim was white. his story is complete bullshit, as confirmed by the video.

[Soundman]

49. See, this is why I feel sorry for you.

I feel sorry for you because you are ignorant, you project, and type before thinking. You are a hostage to your emotions. And you have yet to prove one point other than your abject refusal to grasp the facts.

I abhor guns period. I think ccw laws are insane. And I hate racists with a passion. I have not, nor will I, bring race into it. Unfortunately, racism is all the Zimmerman haters have to offer. The facts prove otherwise. Zimmerman chose to live in a community that I am pretty sure is over 30 percent minority. Not very racist in my book. Twist it to mean whatever you wish.

How was Zimmerman to know Trevon was unarmed?

Do you realize if you believe that retarded conjecture on the video Martin and Zimmerman met almost at his fathers doorstep? If you thought you were being stalked and encountered the stalker at your door step what would you do? Keep on walking? Confront them there, try to get inside? If Zimmerman's goal was to kill him why not do it right there when he had the chance?

When the witness who came outside during the confrontation and then proceeded to call 911 testifies that Zimmerman's account is true, what is your reaction going to be then? How will you spin that one away?

I seek the truth in all things. And as far as I can understand it, Zimmerman is not guilty of the charges. I am sorry that upsets your and the other haters delicate sensibilities. Perhaps rather than hurling insults and innuendo you could present me with some facts to change my opinion.

[noiretextatique]

50. it wasn't any of his fucking business

and you are too ignorant or privileged or something to acknowledge that. let me make it clear for you: zimmerman had to business and no right to accost this young man. he had no business and no right to question him or his legitmacy for being in that area...where his father lived. yhe wasn't a cop...he wasn't acting as a neighborhood watch person...he was a nobody cop wannabee who absolutely no right to ASSUME that martin was armed, unarmed or anything else. he took it upson himself to confront martin after the dispatcher told him to keep his stupid ass in the car...he did so with a weapon. newsflash: white skin does not give him. you are anyone else the right to assume anything about a black kid walking home from the store. I DO NOT feel "sorry" for you and other zimmerman apologists. i hope you all know how the martin family feels someday.

[Soundman]

51. There you go again.

Your emotions are ahead of your ability to grasp the facts. I am far from privileged, maybe that is why I can empathize with a person who felt suspicious of someone they didn't recognize walking about in the rain in a community that had been experiencing break ins. Is it normal in your neighborhood to have unfamiliar people walking casually through the yards in the rain?

You know, I have came to the conclusion that most of the ignoramuses that are vilifying Zimmerman are the racist ones. I believe they heard "gated community" "Travon" "unarmed" "Zimmerman" and assumed it was a white guy in a privileged white gated community that gunned down an innocent black teenager that merely walking while black to his dads. Seems to me that most of the Zimmerman haters have never entertained the thought that perhaps black folk also live in gated communities, and a black youth walking about in and of itself is not unusual at all. But you hear the word gated and you hear white privilege. Again I feel sorry for you.

You have yet to produce one fact. Your arguments are based on conjecture and nothing more.

If I heard correctly the eye witness who will confirm Zimmerman's story is... gasp..... Black... Oh the irony... It burns. Just how will you Zimmerman haters spin that one?

Unfortunately I understand completely how the Martins feel. I manage to persevere in spite of it though.