Quinn: If I’m Mayor And Kelly Wants To Keep Job, Stop-And-Frisk Must Come Down...

[Indi Guy]

NEW YORK (CBS NewYork) — There was an abrupt about-face Thursday from one of the leading candidates for mayor, over policing and public safety.

As the race has heated up, City Council Speaker Christine Quinn’s support for Police Commissioner Ray Kelly has cooled off, CBS 2’s Steve Langford reported.

For voters, one politician’s flip-flop may be another’s badly needed course correction, so as Democratic candidates for mayor jostle for primary votes come September, the potentially radioactive issue of the city’s stop-and-frisk program and the future of its chief champion have one of the leading contenders for City Hall changing course.

“If I’m mayor, Ray Kelly will be offered that job with the clear charge you get stop and frisks down. You do that constitutionally. If you can’t agree to that, don’t take the job. If you take it and you don’t do it, you’ll get fired,” Quinn said...

more - http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/06/20/quinn-if-im-mayor-and-kelly-wants-to-keep-job-stop-and-frisk-must-come-down

[JustAnotherGen]

1. That's not going to happen

The NYPD is about the equivalent of the LAPD so it's not going to happen. It's a nice try and she can say that - but it's not going to happen.

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3. I was under the impression that stop and frisk

had been ruled unconstitutional, at least part of it, no reason why she can't put a stop to the rest of it.

A key part of the NYPD’s controversial “stop and frisk” tactic has been ruled unconstitutional.

Manhattan Federal Court Judge Shira Scheindlin ordered police to refrain from making some trespass stops outside private residential buildings — even though the landlord has given officers permission to do so as part of the NYPD’s “Clean Halls” program.

"While it may be difficult to say when precisely to draw the line between constitutional and unconstitutional police encounters such a line exists, and the NYPD has systematically crossed it when making trespass stops outside buildings," Scheindlin wrote in a 157-page ruling.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-controversial-stop-frisk-policy-ruled-unconstitutional-article-1.1235578#ixzz2Wsg2Rtdb

[JustAnotherGen]

6. I'm sorry

I'm sorry. It's just not going to stop. I'm realistic about my country and it's ways. Unconstitutional or not -there are bad apples and assholes on that police force and it is GOING to happen. She can say whatever she wants. Doesn't mean it's going to actually GO that way.

It's like this - you aren't supposed to discriminate in housing or hiring either - right?

Do you REALLY think it doesn't happen anymore?

NYC or the boondocks of TN - doesn't matter. I don't believe we get the same rights. All the laws and judges in the world aren't going to change that.

And once she gets elected - watch that issue go to the wayside at a pretty fast clip.

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14. Fair enough.

I guess I'm used to living in a county where our Sheriffs Office is very supportive of civil rights.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. It's a little dirty secret

About NYC. Look up some of the shootings and stuff that have gone on there by the cops. She can't control the cops.


I believe probably in about 100 years or so America will get this figured out - but by then I believe the power structure will be mostly latino/hispanic and they'll think this old shit about black folks being inherently up to no good is silly.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

11. That ruling was limited. In the near future, another ruling may be issued.

With respect to the limited ruling in which the court held that stop-and-frisks outside private residential buildings without probable cause were unconstitutional:

"The NYCLU argued that “Clean Halls,” which exists in 8,000 buildings citywide, leads to people being hassled by cops near their own abode for no legitimate reason.

"The legal challenge centered on the case of Jaenean Ligon, who in August 2011 sent her 17-year-old son to buy ketchup for the family’s dinner.

"Two plainclothes cops stopped and frisked the teen outside the family’s building and then asked Ligon to come downstairs to identify her son, according to court documents.

"The mother of three testified the request sent her into a panic because she feared the worst — that her son had been seriously hurt or killed.

[Major Nikon]

29. Judge Scheindlin is perhaps the biggest opponent of NYPD's stop-and-frisk

Her rulings have created real change to NYPD's policies, however stop-and-frisk(under certain circumstances) remains constitutional per the 1968 SCOTUS ruling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_v._Ohio

[Indi Guy]

26. Maybe it's not going to stop right away but...

...Don't you find it encouraging that the practice of "stop and frisk" is becoming so unpopular that politicians are running against it?

[JustAnotherGen]

27. I have no faith

That walking while black will stop in my lifetime. I'm sorry - related the other day . . .my dad had a DWB four months before he died, making an ice cream run, pulled over four houses from where he lived for 35 years - in NY State. A town where he had been a school board member, head of little league, and my mom was a former town council member.
This 2011 this happened.

America is a cesspool of this shit and it will not be changing in my lifetime. These are just platitudes and bones being thrown but it's not going to change at the individual cop level. She can say what she wants - doesn't mean they are going to stop.

Look at what they did to my fellow citizens in NJ? You heard how they were snooping on New Jerseyans just because they practice Islam. And they got away with it. Nary a slap on the wrist. I'm a cynic.

[Indi Guy]

28. I get it; and I wouldn't think of second guessing...

...your reasons for being cynical. This understood, I do however find it encouraging that public sentiment against blatant racist practices by "authorities" has increased to the point where it's politically expedient for political candidates for high office to open that discussion (whether or not they're honest brokers).

Also, I've posted & replied to many threads on the subject of stop & frisk many times on DU -- and this is the first time I've seen this kind of traction.

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2. I'm liking her,

if I lived in NYC, I would be voting for her just on this issue alone.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. why? the other democrats are far more progressive than her on this issue. nt

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8. Wait a minute,

I thought she was in favor of doing away with stop and frisk. Did I mis-interpret?

[allin99]

9. she will literally say anything any time. that could be said of most pols...

but it is perfectly applied to her. srsly, i live in ny, she's horrible.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. i am leaning towards bill deblasio or maybe weiner but not her

[allin99]

15. right there with you girl. ABQ all the way. she is awful. what she...

did to ny'ers helping him overturn term limits is unforgivable.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. right there with you

[allin99]

23. i saw an Anyone But Quinn commercial on yesterday on NY1! :D. i'm gonna...

give to the pac.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. except joe lhota who is literally the one person, who is worse than her

i saw that add too

did you watch the debate? why was weiner so deadpan? boring

[allin99]

25. didn't see the debate...

weiner isn't ready, he is like limp noodle all the time unless he's on a soap box, then he's "ok", i don't understand why so many women were so into him. lol.

yeah, at this point, if he had any sort of charisma what-so-ever i think he could beat quinn, cuz she is so abrasive and obnoxious, and ridiculous, but she got way lucky, he's just a total yawn-fest.

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17. Ok, ok, I surrender. LOL.

I'll take your word for it, I don't even live anywhere near NY, I live in NV., a very rural part of NV.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. sorry if i was harsh. obvi there is no reason for you to know the details

about her as much as new yorkers do

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21. Not harsh at all,

more than fair and I deserved it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

10. not really and she wants to keep our police commissioner

who was largely responsible for creating these crazy racist policies

almost all her challengers are better on this issue than her

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20. See post #17.

[allin99]

7. there are some things you might not know about her....

first and foremost she helped pave the way for bloomberg's third term after ny'ers voted for term limits a number of times.

she also blocked the paid sick leave bill for 3 years before finally caving, and she only caved b/c it was an election year.

if you've ever seen her speak, she spends half the time acting like a freakin' clown, is never serious because she has nothing to say, i mean, she is really the pits.

[allin99]

12. i'll find you an article on this after work, but i'm swamped right now so i have to log off.

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22. This I didn't know,

that's what I get for shooting my mouth off before finding out what she's all about.

Thanks for the info and I think I'll stay out of NYC politics and stick to Nevada politics.

[allin99]

5. one of the more full of crap politicians, and that's saying a lot.