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Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:24 PM

 

On which issues has the Democratic Party moved to the Left since 1984?

In terms of substance and actual policy records, not in terms of promises and rhetoric.

I'd love to hear about the many issues that the Democratic Party has surely moved to the Left on, in the time since Ronald Reagan and his successors took the GOP to the right.

After all, politics is really "polarized" by "extremists" on "both sides" these days, right?

Right?

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Reply On which issues has the Democratic Party moved to the Left since 1984? (Original post)
YoungDemCA Jun 2013 OP
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #1
alsame Jun 2013 #2
YoungDemCA Jun 2013 #8
blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #15
dsc Jun 2013 #41
Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #26
MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #30
dsc Jun 2013 #42
Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #43
Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2013 #3
blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #14
Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2013 #21
Ohio Joe Jun 2013 #4
RILib Jun 2013 #38
ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #5
blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #13
ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #20
leveymg Jun 2013 #6
blue neen Jun 2013 #7
blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #11
blue neen Jun 2013 #23
blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #12
blue neen Jun 2013 #24
RILib Jun 2013 #39
blue neen Jun 2013 #40
JaneyVee Jun 2013 #9
LongTomH Jun 2013 #29
blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #10
RobertEarl Jun 2013 #16
tledford Jun 2013 #22
on point Jun 2013 #17
YeahSureRight Jun 2013 #18
DontTreadOnMe Jun 2013 #19
Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #25
KittyWampus Jun 2013 #27
bluestate10 Jun 2013 #28
blue neen Jun 2013 #31
blue neen Jun 2013 #32
1-Old-Man Jun 2013 #33
Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #34
marmar Jun 2013 #35
liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #36
MrSlayer Jun 2013 #37
Blue_In_AK Jun 2013 #44
JDPriestly Jun 2013 #45

Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:29 PM

1. Anything that doesn't cost the 1% money

 

Gay rights, abortion rights...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:30 PM

2. +1

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:35 PM

8. Hey now...

 

Gay rights and abortion rights are good things...


.....wait, it was a Democrat who signed DOMA, which is still in effect, no? I'll grant you abortion rights, though that's much more readily available to those with high "SES" (so are gay rights, too!) and abortion restrictions that (as always) hit poorer women much more harshly have been advancing at the state level, in many states, in recent years.

I suppose all of those rights will be available, though...available to the 1% and to the 1% wannabes and defenders.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:47 PM

15. Yeah, Clinton gave us DOMA & DADT.

 

"Real supportive" of GLBT rights, Clinton was.

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #15)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:27 AM

41. that is just plain flat out gold carat false

On DADT, Clinton originally came in wanting to let gays serve openly. He did that in every single other part of the US government by executive order. On the military, he needed Congressional approval since under the UCMJ sodomy was a criminal act. Further, Congress made clear that it likely had the votes to pass a ban on gays serving. DADT was a compromise which improved the situation. Gays would no longer be jailed for example simply for being gay in the military. If you don't know this then you should read these things called books starting with Conduct Unbecoming. If you do, and posted what you did, shame on you.

As to DOMA that passed with veto proof majorities in a GOP Congress. It also might well have prevented a Constitutional Amendment banning marriage equality which would literally have lasted forever.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:04 PM

26. Actually no, In the time frame you set, the Democratic Party has moved to the right

 

on abortion. In fact the likelihood of reagan appointments to the SCOTUS placing restrictions on women's rights to choice was included in the platform of 1984. Since then, the party has tolerated first, differences of opinion, and evolved that to accepting all manner of "reasonable" restrictions. Remember "safe, legal, and rare"?

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:35 PM

30. Actually, you're right, I was wrong.

 

So only gay rights.

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Response to Egalitarian Thug (Reply #26)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:29 AM

42. the fact is that anti abortion elected democrats are nearly extinct

and they were thriving in 84. Gore ran in 88 as the conservative dem on social issues. Into the mid 90's dems had an anti abortion majority whip. Now that would be unthinkable.

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Response to dsc (Reply #42)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:33 AM

43. You are right, however the issue is not Democrats, but the Democratic party. A party which has been

 

has been co-opted by people that once were known as moderate republicans. More specifically, people that have no principles, no ideals beyond acquisition, people who are openly willing to trade anything for more. For more money, for more power, for another term.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:30 PM

3. Marriage Equality?

LGBT rights in general?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:46 PM

14. Yeah, DOMA & DADT was "real supportive" of GLBT issues.

 

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:54 PM

21. DADT was *better* than the total ban

At any rate DADT is gone now. The Democrats no longer supporting/defending DOMA in Court either and support marriage equality.


BTW why do you keep repeating yourself multiple times in the same thread?

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:30 PM

4. Since '84....

I think we have made some agonizingly slow (and minor) progress for equal rights... I think the same can be said for the war on drugs ending... In both cases though, the progress is far too little and far too slow. Every other topic my stoned mind can think of at the moment seems to be further to the right then it was back then... I do still believe that the pendulum started swinging back to the left with the election of President Obama and will continue to go that way.

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Response to Ohio Joe (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:54 PM

38. disagree

 

about the war on drugs, Holder is going after states with medical marijuana laws and threatening to confiscate property used to sell it or grow it. No progress there.

There has been a tiny amount of progress on gay rights, that's it.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:31 PM

5. Gay rights. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:45 PM

13. Yeah, DOMA & DADT was "real supportive" of GLBT issues.

 

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:52 PM

20. The Democratic Party has moved to the left on issues of gay rights since 1984.

For example, in 1984, the Democratic Party was against gay marriage, but now the party supports gay marriage. This is a move to the left.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:33 PM

6. Civil rights for investment bankers who are minorities, gay or transgendered.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:34 PM

7. A few:

Support of LGBT rights.

Support by many Democrats for a national health care system; we hope that the ACA is a start.

A President who is a bi-racial man.

Very serious contender for President who is a woman (recent past and very soon in the future, we hope).

"Plan B" birth control.

The increased role of women in the military.

The success of Latino candidates around the country.

Medical Marijuana (in some places).

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Response to blue neen (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:43 PM

11. Yeah, DOMA & DADT was "real supportive" of GLBT issues.

 

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:01 PM

23. We've come a long way since 1984.

I didn't say that everything was perfect, but there has definitely been progress to the left.

"Clinton and key legislators have changed their positions and advocated DOMA's repeal. The Obama administration announced in 2011 that it had determined that section 3 was unconstitutional and, though it would continue to enforce the law, it would no longer defend it in court. In response, the Republican leadership of the House of Representatives instructed the House General Counsel to defend the law in place of the Department of Justice (DOJ).[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act

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Response to blue neen (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:44 PM

12. Don't forget Lilly Ledbetter.

 

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:07 PM

24. I don't really understand why you'd roll your eyes at Lilly Ledbetter.

IMHO, she's a pretty amazing woman. She should be very proud that this was the first bill signed into law by President Obama.

"During the campaign for the 2008 elections, the Democrats criticized Republicans for defeating the 2007 version of the bill, citing Republican presidential candidate John McCain's opposition to the bill and candidate Barack Obama's support.[1]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilly_Ledbetter_Fair_Pay_Act_of_2009

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Response to blue neen (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:55 PM

39. biracial and female

 

really not interesting when they are not really Democrats in principles. Just fogureheads.

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Response to RILib (Reply #39)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:35 AM

40. Hmm. Maybe you're forgetting that Hillary Clinton was the first to champion universal health care.

She took a lot of derision for it, too.

President Obama appointed Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayer to the Supreme Court. Too bad we're still stuck with Reagan appointee Antonin Scalia.

If you don't find them "interesting", hey, that's your right.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:36 PM

9. Most social issues. Although I feel there are more economic Liberals now than 1984.

 

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #9)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:19 PM

29. 'More economic Liberals now than 1984?' Maybe among younger people in the......

....general public. In Congress, I don't think so.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:42 PM

10. With the DEMS, moving left is mostly all rhetoric, since the Big Takeover in the '80s.

 

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:47 PM

16. What would you like us to do?

 

Pretty much the party is grassroots. It all begins here.

So, as a Young Dem, I ask you, where should we go?

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Response to RobertEarl (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:55 PM

22. You should go to Washington with a baseball bat...

...along with 20,000,000 other Americans with baseball bats. The servants of the 1% will respond to NOTHING else; this has become increasingly clear for 30 years and is now indisputable.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:47 PM

17. None.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:48 PM

18. Again Everything All Boils down to 1 thing

 

MONEY

All the Liberal and Progressive gains have not cost the 1% any money.

We will not achieve social justice until we remove the 1% from power.

Unless you are willing to deny the 1% what they want most, they win and you LOSE.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 07:49 PM

19. Gay Rights and NOT MUCH more...

 

most things have gone to the right...

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 08:52 PM

25. There are plenty of issues the party has moved Leftward on.

We have the party endorsing gay rights and Obama being the 1st incumbent president in history to do so, they've endorsed paycheck fairness for men and women, supported a bi-racial man as their party's nominee in 2008 for the 1st time, Obama has accomplished what past Democratic presidents have attempted in health care reform, Democrats have supported raising top tax rates, Obama appointed the Supreme Court's first Latina justice, Democrats have supported stronger environmental laws, plus there are even some in the party who support marijuana legalization.

To people on here who claim that the party is moving to the Right, it's not so much the case that it is moving Rightward--it's that the GOP continues to move Rightward and has become increasingly unwilling to cooperate in Congress. Congress Republicans are to blame for our problems, not moderate or Blue Dog Democrats. Even those type of Democrats vote with us at least 70% of the time.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:07 PM

27. Health Care… Ledbetter Act… Gay Rights…. Economic Stimulus

 

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:14 PM

28. Gay Rights, Minorities in office instead of tokens, Women in office instead of tokens, women's

rights, voter rights-democrats have fought off endless attempts to weaken voter rights.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:27 PM

31. Far more female Senators...

although we need more!

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:31 PM

32. Nancy Pelosi.

First female Speaker of the House.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:43 PM

33. Deleted by author

Oh, my mistake.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:47 PM

34. LBGT issues recently--

 

Just about everything else has been a lurch to the right, especially after Clinton came to be. Right on trade. Right on Labor. Right on education. Right on the environment. Right on war. Right on business/economics.

It's been fucking disgrace.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:48 PM

35. As Bill Maher says, 'Democrats moved to the right, and Republicans moved into the asylum.'

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Response to marmar (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:50 PM

36. That is precisely what happened.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:52 PM

37. Social issues. They are important but don't give us jobs.

 

The Democrats are now the party of Reagan. The Republicans are now the party of John Birch.

The middle class is fucked.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:04 AM

44. The only thing I can think of

is GLBT issues.

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Response to YoungDemCA (Original post)

Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:35 AM

45. GLBT rights and maybe health care. Many of us have been for

single payer health care for a long time, but that really wasn't a big issue one way or the other in 1984.

Otherwise, I think the whole country including Democrats has regressed, moved backward, not forward.

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